Glastonbury 2008
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kenny g
Sheeple Awake!
Evens, no more, I'd say -- and my early hunch is that the chances of any significant rain are less than that this time.
But you're a bit of a miserable Glastonbury hating git anyway, and probably WANT it to rain to confirm your prejudices ...
Nice to see you are being your charming self William.
You have already called me a twat on the other thread, now it is a git here
I think the worst I have accused you of is having a Routemaster fetish and being a corporate fanboy. At least use your obvious typing dexterity to build on your range of insults
I can imagine that when it does rain at Glasto this year you will proabably be blaming me as well.
I have to admit that the strong possibilty of thousands of Blunt fans getting drenched along with their willing accomplacies does give me a slight warm glow.
Oxfam only bus people in on the Tuesday, early shifters have to get there themselves
Nice to see you are being your charming self William.
You have already called me a twat on the other thread, now it is a git here
I think the worst I have accused you of is having a Routemaster fetish and being a corporate fanboy. At least use your obvious typing dexterity to build on your range of insults
I can imagine that when it does rain at Glasto this year you will proabably be blaming me as well.
I have to admit that the strong possibilty of thousands of Blunt fans getting drenched along with their willing accomplacies does give me a slight warm glow.
Stop whining about being insulted by me. They're justified insults both in this thread and the other one -- you're a negative sneerer. Who hasn't been to Glastonbury since 2000 and who seems determined to be entirely negative about the everything to do with the event, based on increasingly out of date, prejudice-fuelled 'knowledge', or lack of.
kenny g
Sheeple Awake!
So, according to your "logic" the only people who are allowed to comment on the New Glastonbury are those who have either forked out hundreds of pounds over the last few years, or devoted themselves to providing low paid labour for an organisation that pays thousands to the likes of Mr Blunt. 
It is that kind of exclusivist fenced-in attitude that I am sure has helped contribute to thousands of people deciding that they would prefer not to have any part of the proceedings this year whether they would normally find themselves in the "green futures" fields or not.
With the choice on one hand of the entertainment provided by Mr. Blunt and Shakey, or on the other the kind of elitist non-discussive and insular mind set that you have displayed then I can see why an extra 145 squid in one's pocket and a pleasant midsummer seem far preferable.
It is that kind of exclusivist fenced-in attitude that I am sure has helped contribute to thousands of people deciding that they would prefer not to have any part of the proceedings this year whether they would normally find themselves in the "green futures" fields or not.
With the choice on one hand of the entertainment provided by Mr. Blunt and Shakey, or on the other the kind of elitist non-discussive and insular mind set that you have displayed then I can see why an extra 145 squid in one's pocket and a pleasant midsummer seem far preferable.
You seem determined to see EVERY aspect of Glastonbury through an ultra negative prism. It's thoroughly unbalanced, and undermines any credibility of any proper criticism you might have.
And YES, the fact that you haven't been since 2000, and (much more) your unwillingness to listen to any facts that are inconvenient to your preset view, or to any people who have been more recently but who might contradict your out of date outsiders' impression, DOES count against your criticsms being taken seriously.
There are loads of serious and legit criticisms to be made of the way Glastonbury has turned over recent times, I share a fair few of those and have made them on here. Not least the ever increasing expense of getting there and staying there, the prices at many (not all) of the stalls and bars, and the creeping commercialism and increasing lowish level (but gradually more obvious) involvement of some big corporations. The number of these and the in your faceness of their presence is still considerably less, and thus not nearly as bad as the properly full on, really Coporate 'Festivals' like V and the 'Carling Weekender', events the anti-Glasto snipers never mention or think about, despite them STILL being far far worse.
But even so, I'm no fan of some manifestations of corporate crap at Glastonbury. My hatred of the odious Ansheuser-Busch ("Budshiters") being alowed to call themselves the 'Official Beer of the Glastonbury Festival"
until recently, is on record.
The trouble with your posts though kenny g, is that you come across as so fucking bigotted about Glastonbury. I criticise the old monster, often pretty sharply, but I also defend it against people who are DETERMINED to see nothing good about it whatsover, grimly determined to ignore the absence of any counterbalancing aspects, of which there remain many many excellent ones. I could go into those, and there are plenty, but I won't for now -- you'll only sneer unpleasantly.
The following comment from you is pure idiocy, you shoot yourself in the foot with the nakedlness of your prejudice by making it, and make yourself look really, really fucking stupid :
Yes, they're the only two acts on any stage, anywhere on site, all weekend, obviously!
Your earlier attempt to suggest that a couple of particularly duff/dodgy headliners sets the tone for the whole lineup and the whole event, or to suggest that James Blunt (in particular) will attract, in and of himself, hoardes and hoards of fans, are points that are deeply questionable. I'm willing to bet that the number of people going to Glastonbury just or even mainly to see him specifically, will be really really limited, and that he'll attract a relatively small audience there. He's not 'the' headliner anyway (for the second time!)
Does it occur to you at all how deeply sneery a paragraph like tis comes across? My insults of you are pretty mild compared to the venom, prejudice and hate filled spitting of that paragraph.
Does it occur you you ---- at all -- how utterly nasty a quality sneering of that kind displays?
Enjoy your other holidays -- it's absolutely your choice (and I never said otherwise) to spend your holiday elsewhere, plenty of other people are choosing not to go and that's fine, I respect a lot of their reasons and I certainly can understand people wanting to spend their money in other ways, Glastonbury can be a pretty expensive holiday no question.
But Glastonbury can only benefit from the absence of ill informed, prejudiced, venomous sneerers like you.
Anyone can comment on and criticise Glastonbury, let a thousand opinions bloom and all that. But unhingedly unbalanced ignorant bigots filled with frothfoaming hatred of the event, who draw ALL their 'opinions' from a preset, longstanding determination to loathe and sneer at the event, and who haven't been for eight years, contribute nothing, precisely the square root of zero, that's constructive to any real discussion of its positives and negatives -- of which there are plenty of both.
Perhaps you think you're being fearlessly outspoken and that you're bravely exposing Emperor Eavis's New Clothes, but a smart critic might have managed not to let the mask of his hatred slip so obviously.
"Corporate Fanboi" of Walworth
And YES, the fact that you haven't been since 2000, and (much more) your unwillingness to listen to any facts that are inconvenient to your preset view, or to any people who have been more recently but who might contradict your out of date outsiders' impression, DOES count against your criticsms being taken seriously.
There are loads of serious and legit criticisms to be made of the way Glastonbury has turned over recent times, I share a fair few of those and have made them on here. Not least the ever increasing expense of getting there and staying there, the prices at many (not all) of the stalls and bars, and the creeping commercialism and increasing lowish level (but gradually more obvious) involvement of some big corporations. The number of these and the in your faceness of their presence is still considerably less, and thus not nearly as bad as the properly full on, really Coporate 'Festivals' like V and the 'Carling Weekender', events the anti-Glasto snipers never mention or think about, despite them STILL being far far worse.
But even so, I'm no fan of some manifestations of corporate crap at Glastonbury. My hatred of the odious Ansheuser-Busch ("Budshiters") being alowed to call themselves the 'Official Beer of the Glastonbury Festival"
until recently, is on record.The trouble with your posts though kenny g, is that you come across as so fucking bigotted about Glastonbury. I criticise the old monster, often pretty sharply, but I also defend it against people who are DETERMINED to see nothing good about it whatsover, grimly determined to ignore the absence of any counterbalancing aspects, of which there remain many many excellent ones. I could go into those, and there are plenty, but I won't for now -- you'll only sneer unpleasantly.
The following comment from you is pure idiocy, you shoot yourself in the foot with the nakedlness of your prejudice by making it, and make yourself look really, really fucking stupid :
kenny g said:
Yes, they're the only two acts on any stage, anywhere on site, all weekend, obviously!
Your earlier attempt to suggest that a couple of particularly duff/dodgy headliners sets the tone for the whole lineup and the whole event, or to suggest that James Blunt (in particular) will attract, in and of himself, hoardes and hoards of fans, are points that are deeply questionable. I'm willing to bet that the number of people going to Glastonbury just or even mainly to see him specifically, will be really really limited, and that he'll attract a relatively small audience there. He's not 'the' headliner anyway (for the second time!)
kenny g said:
Does it occur to you at all how deeply sneery a paragraph like tis comes across? My insults of you are pretty mild compared to the venom, prejudice and hate filled spitting of that paragraph.
Does it occur you you ---- at all -- how utterly nasty a quality sneering of that kind displays?
Enjoy your other holidays -- it's absolutely your choice (and I never said otherwise) to spend your holiday elsewhere, plenty of other people are choosing not to go and that's fine, I respect a lot of their reasons and I certainly can understand people wanting to spend their money in other ways, Glastonbury can be a pretty expensive holiday no question.
But Glastonbury can only benefit from the absence of ill informed, prejudiced, venomous sneerers like you.
Anyone can comment on and criticise Glastonbury, let a thousand opinions bloom and all that. But unhingedly unbalanced ignorant bigots filled with frothfoaming hatred of the event, who draw ALL their 'opinions' from a preset, longstanding determination to loathe and sneer at the event, and who haven't been for eight years, contribute nothing, precisely the square root of zero, that's constructive to any real discussion of its positives and negatives -- of which there are plenty of both.
Perhaps you think you're being fearlessly outspoken and that you're bravely exposing Emperor Eavis's New Clothes, but a smart critic might have managed not to let the mask of his hatred slip so obviously.
"Corporate Fanboi" of Walworth
I think I finished myself off with that post ...
No, OK, it will look to some that I spent far too far too much effort taking the ill informed viewpoint of one idiot apart, but it really isn't just kenny g. Perhaps a little unfairly, he was right now in the firing line partly as substitute for many many others like him over the last few months, here and elsewhere. Newbie commented a while back on the sheer NUMBER of people who line up to take a pop at Glastonbury, to single Glastonbury out for attack in a way that no other festival gets. I don't mind criticism as I said, when it's based on some sort of knowledge and when it's reasonably balanced and reasonably well informed. But kenny g's posts were none of those, and it's not just him.
This festival is my life in late June, and has been since 1994 (also back in 1984, one lonely early Glastonbury back there on its own twenty four years ago, alongside Stonehenge!). It's my life for good chunks of the rest of the time too. I love it yet am very frustrated abiut certain aspets of it, I see the roughs and the smooths, the warts and all, but the all at its best is still fucking brilliant. Like pagan said, us veterans may get a bit jaded with the Glastonphant at times but we slip back to Pilton most (in my case all) years like putting on a shabby old pullover. I probably know more about Glastonbury than any other subject. I have had the best times of my life there and will continue to, especially if finally the much remembered sunshine of previous festivals returns this time, but even if it doesn't. I can't possibly claim objectivity, but I do assert that like a fair few others who know a lot, I'm frighteningly (and anorakishly!!) well informed. However that does mean that I can balance negatives against positives -- as I say there are plenty of both.
But that why unbalanced ignorance and unpleasant sneering pisses me off. Apologies for going off on one though
Can we focus on some positives now please??
Looby
Well-Known Member
I'm not stressed by Glastonbury particularly, weather apart to some extent.
What people say about Glastonbury is a different matter. especially when it's ignorant shite
The End ...
1 or 2 other must sees .... Massive Attack, Seasick Steve, Zion Train, Pama International, King Blues, a whole heap of others ...
bouncer_the_dog
Well-Known Member
William you over react to Glastonbury criticism. This thread is the 'Glastonbury 2008' thread, not the 'Only say nice things about Glastonbury 2008 and don't mention the mud' thread. Throughout this site people come on threads and offer their points of view. On this one if it is one that is critical of Glasto you - William - fly off the handle!
But in response to the comments made in your last statement about Glastonbury vs the Corporate festivals I think there is a point to be made on that. You say things like V and Carling weekender are far worse - but are they? At least with Reading and Leeds you can go into the town and get some reasonably priced food and drink. At least you can get on a train and leave the area quickly and easily! Or with something like V the organisation is rigid but is also just that: organisation. And at least they have adequate drainage.
Glastonbury has been disorganised and arrogant in the way its treated punters, particularly last year. There are legions of horror stories of events that should never have happened. Don't interpret this has Glasto hating and mud cursing - its not. I have happy memories of the festival. But frankly I think Eavis and GFL are taking the piss with the way they run it. And its not just me who thinks that - the fact you can still buy a ticket a month before is evidence of people taking their money elsewhere. There are plenty of noobz with slow dial up / telephone fingers filling the gaps of course.
Glasto took the corporate route long ago and has failed to meet its responsibilities of going down that path, and that’s why it’s looking like a turkey at the moment. They can still bring it back, and maybe this years they will.
But in response to the comments made in your last statement about Glastonbury vs the Corporate festivals I think there is a point to be made on that. You say things like V and Carling weekender are far worse - but are they? At least with Reading and Leeds you can go into the town and get some reasonably priced food and drink. At least you can get on a train and leave the area quickly and easily! Or with something like V the organisation is rigid but is also just that: organisation. And at least they have adequate drainage.
Glastonbury has been disorganised and arrogant in the way its treated punters, particularly last year. There are legions of horror stories of events that should never have happened. Don't interpret this has Glasto hating and mud cursing - its not. I have happy memories of the festival. But frankly I think Eavis and GFL are taking the piss with the way they run it. And its not just me who thinks that - the fact you can still buy a ticket a month before is evidence of people taking their money elsewhere. There are plenty of noobz with slow dial up / telephone fingers filling the gaps of course.
Glasto took the corporate route long ago and has failed to meet its responsibilities of going down that path, and that’s why it’s looking like a turkey at the moment. They can still bring it back, and maybe this years they will.
Haven't proper time for this, but I specifically said, sevaral times, that I don't mind criticism of Glastonbury at all!! And indeed share quite a few of the more telling criticisms. Including (very much so) of the less welcome corporate aspects. But there are positives, plenty of them, as well. Normal people recognise both! I certainly don't deny some of the considerable drawbacks, why are some peoplle so determined, predetermind even, to deny that there's anything good about the thing?
What I was (over)reacting to was before, was the sheer venom and bile and nastiness and ultra bias in kenny g's post, have you ignored those? Also the sheer ignorance. He is not well informed, his opinions are based on out of date perepctives (he's not been since 2000), and he's far more determined to see everything whatsoever about Glastonbury though a prism of ultra negativity and sneering than even you were at your worst.
Make some balanced, objective and well informed criticisms though, and a proper discussion can much more easily happen, one which I'll join in because my own reservations are not few ...
What I was (over)reacting to was before, was the sheer venom and bile and nastiness and ultra bias in kenny g's post, have you ignored those? Also the sheer ignorance. He is not well informed, his opinions are based on out of date perepctives (he's not been since 2000), and he's far more determined to see everything whatsoever about Glastonbury though a prism of ultra negativity and sneering than even you were at your worst.
Make some balanced, objective and well informed criticisms though, and a proper discussion can much more easily happen, one which I'll join in because my own reservations are not few ...
Top of the pile for me are Balkan Beat Box, Imagined Village and Justin Adams & Juldeh Camara. Also hoping that Manu Chao turns out to be the special guest headlining Jazzworld on Sunday night as his Pyramid slot looks like clashing with Imagined Village. He’s playing both Saturday & Sunday according to his website.
The only acts I’m particularly interested in seeing on the Pyramid are KT Tunstall, Seasick Steve & Crowded House. I’m intrigued to know what Steve Hillage’s Mirror System project is all about. Lots of good late night stuff in Shangri-La by the looks of it including Bison, Pronghorn, Tofu Love Frogs & Shantel’s Bucovina Club. Thursday night in Leftfield looks like being a superb evening with King Blues, The Slackers & Pama Int. The rest of the time I’ll just be bimbling around seeing a few old favourites & discovering new stuff as usual.
teh Mountain Horse were expensive
but they do last
I wore my muckers a few years ago
They kept my dry when the ground wasn't too bad - if a bit sweaty
Loads of good stuff there. Justin Adams is the business as are most of the others you mention
Sunray
Its sunny somewhere.
Having heard most of the bands you've mentioned. I think I'd die a music death. Then you say Manu Chao, then you say Crowed House and I feel resurrection and secondary hung drawn and quartered.
For all of those I will be in some dance tent or the glade, rediscovering MDMA and music.
I would whole heartedly recommend Seasick Steve. Great.
For all of those I will be in some dance tent or the glade, rediscovering MDMA and music.
I would whole heartedly recommend Seasick Steve. Great.
Sunray
Its sunny somewhere.
Do you go? No? Then shut the fuck up. Nobody apart from William gives a fuck what you think. I think I'll be physically sick if I read another one of your posts, you now go on ignore.
I think I may have put this one to bed now though, with any luck!
I think the differences of opinion/preference between you and Tort (and to a large extent myself as well) just show how broad the range of entetainment there is that's available all over ... tis all good no?
PS I'm not bothering with Crowded House either
I think the differences of opinion/preference between you and Tort (and to a large extent myself as well) just show how broad the range of entetainment there is that's available all over ... tis all good no?
PS I'm not bothering with Crowded House either
Sunray
Its sunny somewhere.
He has managed a sort of Chinese torture, drip drip drip of irritation. I could take it no longer.
Tort is very Jazz World stage, but I value his opinion. Some great picks in the past. Its just I've seen most of the bands he mentions and they really don't do it for me.
I'm going to just wander this time around.
Tort is very Jazz World stage, but I value his opinion. Some great picks in the past. Its just I've seen most of the bands he mentions and they really don't do it for me.
I'm going to just wander this time around.
I think I may have put this one to bed now though, with any luck!
I think the differences of opinion/preference between you and Tort (and to a large extent myself as well) just show how broad the range of entetainment there is that's available all over ... tis all good no?
PS I'm not bothering with Crowded House either
I don’t mind for one moment admitting that I’ve always spent more time in Jazzworld & Avalon at Glastonbury. It’s not just the World bent of the music but also the atmosphere that has more of a small festival vibe than elsewhere. And it’s also been close to home base for pretty much every Glastonbury I’ve been to.
To be honest a lot of the acts I’ve got down as must sees are only due to the fact that I’ve managed to miss them in the past. BBB & Imagined Village were both at WOMAD last year but I was either watching something else or feeling under the weather when they played due to having a rotten cold at the time. And I’ve only ever seen KT Tunstall when she was still with Oi Va Voi. I was working when she appeared at Glasto last year & was mashed up in Whirl-Y-Gig when she was on at Beautiful Days. But I do rate her highly as a performer so I’ll definitely make the effort this time.
Crowded House might seem like a bit of an odd one but I’ve been a massive fan of Neil Finn ever since Split Enz days. Must be a kiwi thing but I rate him right up there as one of the World’s great songwriters of the last few decades. Never had a chance to see them live so it would be churlish to pass up the opportunity.
If I hadn’t seen Manu Chao in Brixton last year I’d have crawled over hot coals for a Glasto ticket just to see him. But I have to say I was somewhat underwhelmed by his performance without the full brass section & I’m not sure if the Pyramid crowd will warm to him particularly. There are plenty of people saying “Manu who?” on other message boards. But if he plays Jazzworld then it’s a must see just in case he pulls off a performance like the one I missed when he played there in 2002.
A lot of the rest of the time I’ll do doubt be joining you gurning like a good’un
thelittlechef
Ale Drinker
Well fuck me, the old boy has seen the light and got a ticket...
That has brightened up my rainy Friday no end!
Good to have you back on board - be sure to pop over to pyramid for a cuppa and maybe a jaffa cake.
In other words the old layout rer family camping remains essentially the same? Good news for a fair few, that
