Garage boss: I'm being driven out of Hackney by hipsters

[SpookyFrank]

Aren't CAMRA still fiercely debating whether it's acceptable to drink, or even acknowledge the existence, of craft beer?

Well I don't drink it because it comes in tiny cans or bottles, costs more than normal beer and seems to be made by marketing people rather than actual brewers. Places that sell the stuff on draught are invariably packed floor to celing with cunts.

 

[William of Walworth]

Aren't CAMRA still fiercely debating whether it's acceptable to drink, or even acknowledge the existence, of craft beer?

Exactly! I'm ecumenical about the matter myself, because there's some cracking mictro-breweries around. But you don't want to know how much disgreement there is all over the shop about it -- you get squabbles about it in so many beer-friendly pubs and at beer festivals. I tend just to go to the bar when such outbreaks get tedious ... ie quite soon ...

 

[Pickman's model]

Aren't CAMRA still fiercely debating whether it's acceptable to drink, or even acknowledge the existence, of craft beer?

exception for the masonick camra members, who have long acknowledged the existence of fellow craft beer

 

[Crispy]

Dying old trades like garage businesses?

He said it so it's true?

Network rail have policies in place in some areas that expressly forbid car-related business in new railway arch leases, for example. I believe this is the case in Loughborough Junction and Herne Hill.

 

[William of Walworth]

Well I don't drink it because it comes in tiny cans or bottles, costs more than normal beer and seems to be made by marketing people rather than actual brewers. Places that sell the stuff on draught are invariably packed floor to celing with cunts.

It's all about which ones. What you say about overpricing is true of plenty, but that's not universal IME.

I'm also at times prepared to pay reasonably (ie slightly!) over-the-odds for genuine quality and taste (festivaldeb claims the best ones tend to be stronger ABV ones but I dispute that .... sometimres ).

I'm resistant to infuriating hipster-aimed marketing though. Brewdog I'm looking at you!

 

[treelover]

Network rail have policies in place in some areas that expressly forbid car-related business in new railway arch leases, for example. I believe this is the case in Loughborough Junction and Herne Hill.

Why is that? sounds rather strange.

 

[William of Walworth]

I expect there probably is less of a market for car repair services these days. It seems quite common for people to fuck off a fairly new, perfectly decent car and just buy a new one. My sister seems to have some kind of financing deal going that actively encourages her to get a new car every two years, it's mental.

e2a: And there's probably less bits of a modern car that a mechanic can actually fix. If the computer's gone on your new Audi I daresay you have to get Audi to sort it out for you, not Brian from down the road.

Interesting -- festivaldeb has an N-reg Astra (from 1996 I think!) and she gets odd repairs done now and again in the old style mechanics' place round the cprner. But this is Swansea, not Hackney!

She intends to keep driving it til it falls apart, but she's definitely in the minority there, given the affordability -- unless you're completely skint -- of new/nearly new cars.

 

[kabbes]

I meant the other trades he mentioned more than garages really. But if garages of that type really are having to shut down** to be replaced by much more upmarket property development, then that signifies something pretty unhealthy IMO.

**(and if you're questioning whether that's true, say why maybe?)

I have no reason to believe things one way or other based in the words of a failed mechanic. You're the one leaping in to take a side here, not me.

Why is a garage a sign of a healthier community than is a microbrewery? I would have thought you would think the opposite.

 

[William of Walworth]

Network rail have policies in place in some areas that expressly forbid car-related business in new railway arch leases, for example. I believe this is the case in Loughborough Junction and Herne Hill.

Is that because they're scared of possible explosions or whatever?

 

[Pickman's model]

Is that because they're scared of possible explosions or whatever?

they don't want the competition

 

[William of Walworth]

I have no reason to believe things one way or other based in the words of a failed mechanic. You're the one leaping in to take a side here, not me.

Why is a garage a sign of a healthier community than is a microbrewery? I would have thought you would think the opposite.

You're just arguing for the sake of it now I think. I've had my say about both. It's not about garages specifically anyway (as I said, other tradtional trades that used to thrive in 'cheap' areas may also be suffering). Gentrification/exploding property prices represent something much wider.

Got to go now!

 

[Sweet FA]

My sister seems to have some kind of financing deal going that actively encourages her to get a new car every two years, it's mental

Leasing. Mrs FA got a new (to her) car last year and was bombarded with lease deals - £130 pm and you can have a brand new motor, trade in for a new model in 2 years, renew the lease (if you haven't fucked the first car up) and get another new one. It's how footballers etc get Lamborghinis/Astons etc. Few grand a month and it's yours(ish). Stop paying the lease and all of a sudden it's not yours.

 

[William of Walworth]

they don't want the competition

A car in for repair means an extra train journey possibly

Short term gain ...

 

[kabbes]

You're just arguing for the sake of it now I think. I've had my say about both. It's not about garages specifically anyway (as I said, other tradtional trades that used to thrive in 'cheap' areas may also be suffering). Gentrification/exploding property prices represent something much wider.

Got to go now!

This thread is about a specific business making way for another one, though. It offers no data about gentrification generally.

 

[Crispy]

Is that because they're scared of possible explosions or whatever?

It's gentrification pure and simple. Garage businesses tend to put off other potential tenants due to the large amounts of vehicles being moved around, and the tendency (real or imagined) of such businesses to attract "undesirable" types. Get rid of the garages and they can more easily justify charging twice the rent.

 

[Pickman's model]

A car in for repair means an extra train journey possibly

Short term gain ...

but for the driver the chances are long term pain

 

[kabbes]

When Michael Vallance came to Queens Yard industrial estate in Hackney Wick in 1992 it was home to lithographic printers and finishers and a glass factory.

I have to question the tone too, based on this line. He was a breeze-in driving out traditional printers and finishers and glass makers as recently as the 1990s. Why is his departure now a sign of anything other than the fact that businesses come and go?

 

[Sparkle Motion]

It seems you can still get your car repaired in Central London.

http://www.belgraviagarage.com/about/history/

Is this not just the normal evolution of a city? I moved out to a nice little village in the Home Counties which is about to be swamped by thousands of new houses that will probably be bought by priced out Londoners. I wish it wasn't so, but an expanding population needs somewhere to live.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

This thread is about a specific business making way for another one, though. It offers no data about gentrification generally.

In this instance it does, given that the existing place is being taken over for storage for a brewery, bar and pizzeria in the same area. The fact that these exist at all in a former industrial estate offers data regarding changes in the local area.

 

[kabbes]

The existing place was previously a home for printers and finishers. So what have we learnt?

Industrial zones get used for industry. This is one single anecdote, fleshed out by the complaints of a man with a chip on his shoulder because he has to leave.

 

[Pickman's model]

The existing place was previously a home for printers and finishers. So what have we learnt?

Industrial zones get used for industry. This is one single anecdote, fleshed out by the complaints of a man with a chip on his shoulder because he has to leave.

because of the jews

 

[Sue]

It's not powered by trust funds or in fact "arty types" at all. The young moneyed middle classes have certain fashions but it's no different to going to wine bars and listening to Huey Lewis & The News in the 80s. Yuppies selling to yuppies.

I'd say a lot of it is fuelled by family money. I've come across two couples recently who live near me in Hackney and have recently bought flats. Both sets are in their twenties and there's no way they're earning enough to be able to afford £500k flats without a serious injection of cash from somewhere.

 

[Roadkill]

It's gentrification pure and simple. Garage businesses tend to put off other potential tenants due to the large amounts of vehicles being moved around, and the tendency (real or imagined) of such businesses to attract "undesirable" types. Get rid of the garages and they can more easily justify charging twice the rent.

IMO that's true. The shady back-street mechanic fixing up old bangers under the railway arch is a cliche with a lot of truth behind it, and I imagine Network Rail think this is a bit downmarket and not good for their image - and by extension not good for their ability to attract higher-paying tenants.

 

[Nanker Phelge]

because of the jews

The very secret orthodox Jews.

I'd like to meet a paradox Jew.

 

[Nanker Phelge]

IMO that's true. The shady back-street mechanic fixing up old bangers under the railway arch is a cliche with a lot of truth behind it.

Exactly - we've all seen The Sweeney. It's a front for a racket innit.

 

[marty21]

Interesting -- feastivaldeb has an N-reg Astra (from 1996 I think!) and she gets odd repairs done now and again in the old style mechanics' place round the cprner. But this is Swansea, not Hackney!

She intends to keep driving it til it falls apart, but she's definitely in the minority there, given the affordability -- unless you're completely skint -- of new/nearly new cars.

I get my car looked after my a garage on my street in Hackney, great place , all the car owners on the street use him I think, hopefully he won't sell out to a craft brewery (even though I love ale)

 

[Pickman's model]

Exactly - we've all seen The Sweeney. It's a front for a racket innit.

innit?

 

[magneze]

awful shit going on , admittedly I benefit from rising house prices but I could end up living somewhere with no services that I need.

Surely the only people who benefit from rising house prices are estate agents?

 

[FridgeMagnet]

I'd say a lot of it is fuelled by family money. I've come across two couples recently who live near me in Hackney and have recently bought flats. Both sets are in their twenties and there's no way they're earning enough to be able to afford £500k flats without a serious injection of cash from somewhere.

Yeah, I suppose what I really mean is that there's no sort of special new group here that hasn't been involved in any other sort of gentrification.

 

[kabbes]

Surely the only people who benefit from rising house prices are estate agents?

And downsizers.