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Game of Thrones Season 7 - Monday Morning Torrenters Thread

Idaho said:
It's a drab point, but to make a feudal type world and society believable, don't they need to have the rampant and gratuitous misogyny?
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It's a fantasy series, fiction. There's no reason they couldn't create matriarchal societies. As I doubt GRRM has a thorough understanding of dialectical materialism, he could even make a successful peasants revolt, leading to a communist utopia. And it would be perfectly believable, if it was sufficiently well written.
 
Agent Sparrow said:
Yes and that's why to a degree I've found it justifiable. But some of the things the TV series has done - having Jaime rape Cersei, the ongoing gratuitous tits, and the absolutely appalling attempted titilation of rape scenes at Crastors, have seemed pretty unnecessary.

Tbf I know the off screen rape of Sansa by Bolton got a lot of stick but I thought that was justifiable as it was plot driving and also not shown (it didn't need to be). I can see why some people were so cross though given the history of the show up until then. It was a bit like the idea of crying wolf.
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I think the show needs the constant flashes of nudity. It provides a bit of counterpoint and relief (snigger) from the constant grim murder.
 
Idaho said:
I think the show needs the constant flashes of nudity. It provides a bit of counterpoint and relief (snigger) from the constant grim murder.
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Again I agree to a point, and it's something where YMMV, but come on, you really don't think it's got a bit silly at times? The Littlefinger/Catlyn back history accompanied by two prostitutes practicing their skills on each other for example? Not that it particularly bothered me but it was the absolute epitome of gratuitous!
 
Idaho said:
I think the show needs the constant flashes of nudity. It provides a bit of counterpoint and relief (snigger) from the constant grim murder.
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There are plenty of ways to provide counterpoint and relief within gratuitous nudity.
 
interesting crit I read about the ramsey sansa rape scene was that it was also crap to have the scene seen through the expression on theons face, as in his reactions were what was important.
 
Agent Sparrow said:
Again I agree to a point, and it's something where YMMV, but come on, you really don't think it's got a bit silly at times? The Littlefinger/Catlyn back history accompanied by two prostitutes practicing their skills on each other for example? Not that it particularly bothered me but it was the absolute epitome of gratuitous!
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A show about magic, zombies and dragons with a brutal gory death toll of both walk on and main characters... Gets a bit silly only when there are too many boobies? I think they should have just added more naked men to balance it up.
 
DotCommunist said:
interesting crit I read about the ramsey sansa rape scene was that it was also crap to have the scene seen through the expression on theons face, as in his reactions were what was important.
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Yeah I saw that and in all honesty it didn't bother me for two reasons. A) because I thought it was supposed to be the beginning of Theon being pushed to far and later rebelling, and B) frankly I didn't need to look at Sansa's face as she was raped :(
 
Idaho said:
A show about magic, zombies and dragons with a brutal gory death toll of both walk on and main characters... Gets a bit silly only when there are too many boobies? I think they should have just added more naked men to balance it up.
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I dunno, maybe you have to be a woman in a still pretty misogynistic world to get it.
 
Agent Sparrow said:
Yeah I saw that and in all honesty it didn't bother me for two reasons. A) because I thought it was supposed to be the beginning of Theon being pushed to far and later rebelling, and B) frankly I didn't need to look at Sansa's face as she was raped :(
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amen. At least that time we didn't get that from the showmakers 'Oh what, cersie and jaime? you took that as a...oh my god no, we didn't intend that!'

aye right, and how was anyone supposed to take that scene ffs?
 
Agent Sparrow said:
I dunno, maybe you have to be a woman in a still pretty misogynistic world to get it.
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Are you inviting me to check my privilege?

:D

I don't like the rapes at all. Personally I would rather they implied them. I find it tortuous to watch. More so than torture scenes. Whereas cavorting nakeds is fine with me.
 
Idaho said:
Are you inviting me to check my privilege?

:D

I don't like the rapes at all. Personally I would rather they implied them. I find it tortuous to watch. More so than torture scenes. Whereas cavorting nakeds is fine with me.
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Who was it that commented that it's a strange society where showing people getting shot and murdered in grizzly ways is considered fine but show two people having consensual sex harming no body and there is an uproar.

TV now uses titilation to attract viewers. It's not some bright indicator of a masognistic film industry. It's an indicator that writers and producers know their audience and that sometimes you need an 18 rating otherwise people think oh it's just a lighthearted family show, skip that then. I wanted something grownup.
Weird I know but yes boobs add weight to the seriousness of a show.
 
Gromit said:
Who was it that commented that it's a strange society where showing people getting shot and murdered in grizzly ways is considered fine but show two people having consensual sex harming no body and there is an uproar.

TV now uses titilation to attract viewers. It's not some bright indicator of a masognistic film industry. It's an indicator that writers and producers know their audience and that sometimes you need an 18 rating otherwise people think oh it's just a lighthearted family show, skip that then. I wanted something grownup.
Weird I know but yes boobs add weight to the seriousness of a show.
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Yeah, but you're a big fan of the rape scenes. You are also utterly misrepresenting the actual discussions being had. Probably deliberately.

As a clue - look up the word 'gratuitous'
 
Nine Bob Note said:
Now TV £6.99 a month. Just sayin.
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I wouldn't have minded the money aspect as I probably pay more for my Virgin subscription than I would for Sky's. But as the whole point of my being a Virgin customer is to avoid lining Murdoch's pockets, signing up to Now TV is a no-no for me.

All previous seasons of GoT have been watched courtesy of the not-a-fuck-given dodgy DVD shops that operate quite openly in the Middle East and which offer hi-def recordings for about £1.50 per DVD. But we have no plans to visit again until next year so too long a wait.
 
belboid said:
Yeah, but you're a big fan of the rape scenes. You are also utterly misrepresenting the actual discussions being had. Probably deliberately.

As a clue - look up the word 'gratuitous'
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I am? News to me. I am also not even involved in that discussion. I was only replying to his last sentence. Hence specifying consensual sex.

But since you've dragged me into it...

The rape scenes in Got are largely (like most things in GoT) about power and not sex.
But I can't be arsed explaining it all a hostile such as you.

Titillation is pretty much gratuitous. Were you not aware of this?
The rape scenes are far from gratuitous. They are there to provide emotional payload to elements of the story.
 
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What about the rape scenes at Crastors then? Naked women with blank expressions being casually fucked in the background as the male actors speak, looking more like soft core porn than violent rape. How were they "far from gratuitous" or providing "emotional payload" to the story then huh?

To go back to DotCommunist's earlier post about Jaime's rape of Cersei, they claimed it wasn't meant as a rape. If that is genuine that is really, really fucking scary.

Santino said:
Women, rest easy. We have investigated your concerns and found no cause for alarm.
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Innit. FFS :rolleyes:
 
And really let's not suggest that tired old argument that criticising the extended use of naked female bodies, whether violently or not, is being anti sex. It's not. It's pointing out how it's almost all naked women (as opposed to naked men) and highlighting the prominence of the straight male gaze in media. Which is fucking EVERYWHERE! Not least on HBO who evidently enjoy being one of the few American channels that can show tits.
 
I completely agree that the images of nakedness are largely orchestrated for male viewers in Got. But perhaps the presence of some male nudity and some gay sexuality suggests that there is a bit of a shift.
 
Agent Sparrow said:
Not least on HBO who evidently enjoy being one of the few American channels that can show tits.
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It's kind of become their calling card - you can sit down to watch an HBO show and be reasonably confident that there will be nudity in it at some point. It's their differentiator.
 
Agent Sparrow said:
And really let's not suggest that tired old argument that criticising the extended use of naked female bodies, whether violently or not, is being anti sex. It's not. It's pointing out how it's almost all naked women (as opposed to naked men) and highlighting the prominence of the straight male gaze in media. Which is fucking EVERYWHERE! Not least on HBO who evidently enjoy being one of the few American channels that can show tits.
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The emotional payload is us feeling glad when the perpetrators are killed later. Yay serves em right.

Would we really care that much what happens to a few turncoat black coats otherwise?
Not much.
Make them truly evil and now we can gratuitously enjoy their ends.
 
Idaho said:
I completely agree that the images of nakedness are largely orchestrated for male viewers in Got. But perhaps the presence of some male nudity and some gay sexuality suggests that there is a bit of a shift.
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And female gaze.
When I was young I went to nightclubs that once in a while would have wet t-shirt contests. Guess what the front row would be primarily comprised of.
If you think men you'd be wrong. Men didn't get a look in when it came to the front row. It would be all straight women.

A phenomena I saw repeated at the Coccoon club Frankfurt. Not wet t-shirt this time. Just podium dancers. Largely ignored by the men. Surrounded by women watchers.

Don't ask me to explain this phenomena but it's real. Women are somehow as interested (if not more so) in the female form as men it seems to me.
 
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