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Game of Thrones Season 7 - Monday Morning Torrenters Thread

It's always a budget issue.

I read quote from director of the battle of the bastard episode where Ghost was meant to feature prominently in the battle, but because of budgetary issues, they abandoned that plan.
 
It's always a budget issue.

I read quote from director of the battle of the bastard episode where Ghost was meant to feature prominently in the battle, but because of budgetary issues, they abandoned that plan.

That's surprising. GoT is the biggest series in the world and if it's not making loads of money, someone has fucked up. I can imagine the budget being tight in series 1 but not series7
 
Consensus seems to be that it's a sand snake dangling from the bowsprit at the end there, with mama snake speared above. So Yara is still alive, maybe. It would seem like a waste of a promising arc to kill her off but that's never stopped them before.
 
That's surprising. GoT is the biggest series in the world and if it's not making loads of money, someone has fucked up. I can imagine the budget being tight in series 1 but not series7

There'll be a per-episode budget. That means pinching a few pennies one week leaves them with more money to spend on a big battle next week.

Possibly this is why we got a rushed and confusing Greyjoy battle crammed in at the end of an episode which also featured a long, painful but ultimately cheap scene with Missandei and Grey Worm. They can't afford huge epic battles every week.
 
Consensus seems to be that it's a sand snake dangling from the bowsprit at the end there, with mama snake speared above. So Yara is still alive, maybe. It would seem like a waste of a promising arc to kill her off but that's never stopped them before.

It's the 2 Sand Snakes killed by Euron during the battle, Obara is speared to the bow and Nymeria is hung by her own whip.

Ellaria Sand (and her only daughter Tyene, she of the infamous 'bad pussy' line and Bronn-distracting boobs) were kept alive as Euron's 'gift' to Cersei (as they killed Myrcella), while Yara is probably being kept alive for Euron to play with.

Technically Theon may have saved her life by not attacking Euron.

Dread to think what Cersei will do with Ellaria and Tyene, probably some fucked up mother / daughter punishment, perhaps mirroring Rickard / Brandon Stark's deaths at the hands of the Mad King that kicked off the whole of Robert's Rebellion.
 
Dread to think what Cersei will do with Ellaria and Tyene, probably some fucked up mother / daughter punishment, perhaps mirroring Rickard / Brandon Stark's deaths at the hands of the Mad King that kicked off the whole of Robert's Rebellion.

Meh. They killed off Doctor Bashir and Prince One Direction in pretty unpleasant ways themselves.
 
True, I just don't like seeing Cersei win.

Plus they've completely bollocksed up the Dorne storyline in the show, it's unrecognizable.
If he ever does get the last books out i don't think I'll want to read them because it will be obvious what subplots are unimportant filler from where the TV series goes.

So a prediction - anyone else think that Sansa might die this season? I feel like because of the show's unforgiving nature that another Stark will have to go at some point, and of the four remaining she seems like the most dispensable as things stand. Could be tied into a betrayal story arc engineered by Littlefinger.
 
If he ever does get the last books out i don't think I'll want to read them because it will be obvious what subplots are unimportant filler from where the TV series goes.

So a prediction - anyone else think that Sansa might die this season? I feel like because of the shows unforgiving nature that another Stark will have to go at some point, and of the four remaining she seems like the most dispensable as things stand. Could be tied into a betrayal story arc engineered by Littlefinger.
I think it's either her or Arya. I think they'd be cruel enough to us to off Arya just before she's reunited with the remnants of her family
 
I think it's either her or Arya. I think they'd be cruel enough to us to off Arya just before she's reunited with the remnants of her family
I agree that they're both more likely than John or Bran, both of whom seem likely to be central figures in the mythology. Arya's been trained up with some interesting and, compared to the other main characters, unique skills though. And she's still got people on her list. My money is on Sansa.
 
No way does Arya's arc end happily.

Stark fates:

Jon will either sit on the iron throne or sacrifice himself in the final battle with the night king.
Sansa = Queen In The North.
Bran goes to live in a tree.
Arya dead by hubris, but not till she's had a chance to do a bit more killing.

PS: This is the thread now then? See how pointless it is to split them? :(
 
what he needs to do is write down exactly how this saga will play out. eg.

dany will burn jon who survives. he is true heir to thrown. dany dies. killed by littlefinga
cersi dies - killed by jamie
Hound and Mountain fight

Jon sits on crown
tyrion is hand of king

Then if he dies, someone will have a draft of what he wanted and it would be then up to them to finish it. Similar to authors writing new james bond novels.
 
what he needs to do is write down exactly how this saga will play out. eg.

dany will burn jon who survives. he is true heir to thrown. dany dies. killed by littlefinga
cersi dies - killed by jamie
Hound and Mountain fight

Jon sits on crown
tyrion is hand of king

Then if he dies, someone will have a draft of what he wanted and it would be then up to them to finish it. Similar to authors writing new james bond novels.

He gave the showrunners the broad strokes of the plot a long time ago.
 
I agree that they're both more likely than John or Bran, both of whom seem likely to be central figures in the mythology. Arya's been trained up with some interesting and, compared to the other main characters, unique skills though. And she's still got people on her list. My money is on Sansa.

They seem to be sowing some seeds for a disasatrous stint as Queen o' North for Sansa. Littlefinger will clearly be emboldened in Jon's absence and will be looking to stir the pot. Some of the Northmen may also be less than happy about the new creeping feminist agenda.

On the subject of which, I'm really enjoying how the show has gradually arrived at a point where almost all the most powerful characters are women. I didn't even notice at first that Dany's war council contained only female rulers, but when you stop and think about it it's a big fucking deal for a medieval world. And then there's the contrast between those women and man's man Randall Tarly, paralysed by oaths and honour, traumatised coward Theon and sneering perv Littlefinger. The question now is whether a bunch of women who have been forced to become brutal and hard-hearted in order to survive this far will make any less of a hash of things than the lords and kings did.
 
On the subject of which, I'm really enjoying how the show has gradually arrived at a point where almost all the most powerful characters are women. I didn't even notice at first that Dany's war council contained only female rulers, but when you stop and think about it it's a big fucking deal for a medieval world. And then there's the contrast between those women and man's man Randall Tarly, paralysed by oaths and honour, traumatised coward Theon and sneering perv Littlefinger. The question now is whether a bunch of women who have been forced to become brutal and hard-hearted in order to survive this far will make any less of a hash of things than the lords and kings did.
Yep. I really enjoyed episode two for exactly this reason :cool:

Seems a welcome change from the rampant and often gratuitous misogyny from earlier seasons.
 
It's a drab point, but to make a feudal type world and society believable, don't they need to have the rampant and gratuitous misogyny?
 
It's a drab point, but to make a feudal type world and society believable, don't they need to have the rampant and gratuitous misogyny?

That's always been the argument of the show's fans. The worrying bits are where the people making the show seem to be enjoying the misogyny a little too much and laying it on thicker than is really needed for world-building or storytelling.
 
It's a drab point, but to make a feudal type world and society believable, don't they need to have the rampant and gratuitous misogyny?
Yes and that's why to a degree I've found it justifiable. But some of the things the TV series has done - having Jaime rape Cersei, the ongoing gratuitous tits, and the absolutely appalling attempted titilation of rape scenes at Crastors, have seemed pretty unnecessary.

Tbf I know the off screen rape of Sansa by Bolton got a lot of stick but I thought that was justifiable as it was plot driving and also not shown (it didn't need to be). I can see why some people were so cross though given the history of the show up until then. It was a bit like the idea of crying wolf.
 
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