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Game of Thrones Season 7 - Monday Morning Torrenters Thread

I've been willing to give GoT some slack recently, but the plotting is just off the rails stupid now. I don't think GRRM knows how he's going to tie all the plot threads back together, but he's got be able to do a better job than this.
 
donkyboy said:
why are you blaming him? He has no control over the TV show. :rolleyes:
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He has some influence but I agree he isn't to blame.
There are a number of authors (Dean Kontz for example) who have used fictional characters to winge about how authors are employeed as consultants on movies and are pretty ignored during the script editing by committee process that takes place.
Actors get more say than them.
 
donkyboy said:
why are you blaming him? He has no control over the TV show. :rolleyes:
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I'm not. I'm saying the show runners are doing a worse job than he would (and by implication, the reason we're waiting so long for the next book is because he's written himself into a bunch of corners with only a vague idea of how it'll all tie up. complicated work)
 
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Crispy said:
I'm not. I'm saying the show runners are doing a worse job than he would (and by implication, the reason we're waiting so long for the next book is because he's written himself into a bunch of corners with only a vague idea of how it'll all tie up)
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In fairness to the show runners, they were brought in to adapt the books, not finish them, and the implication was that he'd at least have released the penultimate book by now. I think they're doing a pretty good job considering the numerous shaggy dog / dead-end plotlines they've had to excise.

Do think this season needed more than 7 episodes though.
 
Crispy said:
(and by implication, the reason we're waiting so long for the next book is because he's written himself into a bunch of corners with only a vague idea of how it'll all tie up. complicated work)
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Nah. we are waiting so long because he as other things to do with his life. He has no obligation to sit there everyday finishing the next book. he will be done when he is done. how long did it take tolkien to finish LOTR? Over 13 years.
 
A section of fans express their worries that he'll die before completing the saga.

He understandably finds this annoying and upsetting
 
OK, can we talk about it now?

I like the spectacle of it. I liked watching dragons burning ice / zombies. I get the whole "song of fire and ice" thing. I do see that things are coalescing into some quite big threads that are all running to a conclusion....

but... it's what I said last time. It's an action movie now. It's a blockbuster. All the plotting has gone. The characters are caricatures.

I mean, what the effing fuck was the whole zombie mission thing about? What did they think was going to be the outcome? That somehow they could isolate a zombie patrol and take a live one home (convenient that all of them disintegrated except one when they kill the walker but whatever) without the rest of the massive undead horde seeing them? The Night King saw Bran when he was a crow about 500 metres in the air, let alone the bloody Hound and Beric's flaming sword.

Gendry's personal marathon was hilarious. Zombies have access to huge chains. Night King didn't kill all of his main enemies, sat on a stationary dragon nearby, and decided to try to kill one flying about a much longer way away. Jon seems to be able to a) hold his breath underwater for a very long time, b) and fight off skeletons and c) not die from hypothermia despite being in freezing water for about ten minutes - and all whilst wearing massively heavy furs which will be even heavier once they're wet through (see Jaime last week). Why didn't he get on the dragon that's sat there with all his mates on it?

It's just.... the suspension of disbelief has always had to be there but I think back to Ned getting beheaded and the Red Wedding and it seems like a different show. I still don't understand what Bran does.

And, while we're here. Did Jorah really bring along two knives?

my workmate knows I've watched it and asked me what word I would use to describe it and I said "Silly. Good but silly".
 
It's ironic that we've had 6.5 series of winter is coming, it's still coming, hang on it really is coming, be patient, it's almost here.

Now it's finally here they seem to want to wrap it up in a massive hurry. Patience & suspense is no longer a thing. Rush rush rush.
 
tommers said:
OK, can we talk about it now?

I like the spectacle of it. I liked watching dragons burning ice / zombies. I get the whole "song of fire and ice" thing. I do see that things are coalescing into some quite big threads that are all running to a conclusion....

but... it's what I said last time. It's an action movie now. It's a blockbuster. All the plotting has gone. The characters are caricatures.

I mean, what the effing fuck was the whole zombie mission thing about? What did they think was going to be the outcome? That somehow they could isolate a zombie patrol and take a live one home (convenient that all of them disintegrated except one when they kill the walker but whatever) without the rest of the massive undead horde seeing them? The Night King saw Bran when he was a crow about 500 metres in the air, let alone the bloody Hound and Beric's flaming sword.

Gendry's personal marathon was hilarious. Zombies have access to huge chains. Night King didn't kill all of his main enemies, sat on a stationary dragon nearby, and decided to try to kill one flying about a much longer way away. Jon seems to be able to a) hold his breath underwater for a very long time, b) and fight off skeletons and c) not die from hypothermia despite being in freezing water for about ten minutes - and all whilst wearing massively heavy furs which will be even heavier once they're wet through (see Jaime last week). Why didn't he get on the dragon that's sat there with all his mates on it?

It's just.... the suspension of disbelief has always had to be there but I think back to Ned getting beheaded and the Red Wedding and it seems like a different show. I still don't understand what Bran does.

And, while we're here. Did Jorah really bring along two knives?

my workmate knows I've watched it and asked me what word I would use to describe it and I said "Silly. Good but silly".
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John Snow didn't get on the dragon cos he wanted to have a shot at The Night King
 
I thought it was exciting. I kept shouting at the telly "nooooo, he can't die", "was that the hound??!", "how is he alive? Ohhh but he died before...", "ZOMBIE DRAGON".

Brilliant nonsense. I do agree it could've done with being a normal length series. But I'd was ready to stop watching last year because nothing was happening.

I agree with Crispy, too, that GRRM is going to have a fuck of a job pulling everything together in just two more books. The story as it was before that start of this season probably needed another thirty episodes to bring to conclusion.

But, with the structure inherent in this sort of story (multiple claims to the throne requiring continued eliminations until there is resolution, plus a indomitable supernatural army subplot that's been essentially parked for six series) the closer we get to the end, it *has* to speed up.

As soon as you start ticking off the major houses and players, it becomes increasingly obvious who is in the endgame. So, the writers keep everyone in the mix for as long as they can. But if they aren't going to kill everyone and every subplot off in one last season, they've got to start doing it now. Bang go the Freys, the Sands, House Tyrell, The Tarlys, Dennis Pennis and a dragon.

There's still a huge amount to get through.
 
As much as I enjoyed the episode, only one thing really clicked in my head. One episode to go in this season, one more season. SO many potential plot holes and storylines now that aren't gonna be properly closed, or rushed for the filler for the super awesome dragon fighting scenes that I'm slowly losing hype for.

I don't know what to expect anymore. If anything I expect this to finish with Bran waking up and somehow we're back at Season 1 Episode 2 and its all just a dream, with GRRM getting the final laugh for bringing us along the hype train.
 
So with the death of dragon number three (Viseron I assume?) I'm mostly hopeful that a
the tiresome and reaching speculation about the third hidden Targaryen will end. :rolleyes:

I wasn't quite sure what to make of the episode tbh. Visually amazing, action packed, definitely plot driving, but predictable with no suspense because you know that all the major characters will live. The most gripping/upsetting bit was when it looked like Tormund was going under, party because I am waiting for him to get together with Brienne. Which incidentally makes me a terrible feminist as she's blatantly not interested and he's being a bit pesty. :oops:
 
Agent Sparrow said:
So with the death of dragon number three (Viseron I assume?) I'm mostly hopeful that a
the tiresome and reaching speculation about the third hidden Targaryen will end. :rolleyes:

I wasn't quite sure what to make of the episode tbh. Visually amazing, action packed, definitely plot driving, but predictable with no suspense because you know that all the major characters will live. The most gripping/upsetting bit was when it looked like Tormund was going under, party because I am waiting for him to get together with Brienne. Which incidentally makes me a terrible feminist as she's blatantly not interested and he's being a bit pesty. :oops:
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She likes pretty boys. Surprised she ain't been mooning over Jon Snow.
 
Not that bear. The wolf that used to be a bear.

I mean the camera was focused right on it...everyone was.

When the eyes opened!!!!!
 
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