Fuck Gentrification - Join the Fuck Parade...Part 3!

[xes]

they actually threw in a smoke grenade when a bunch of people were inside???

That sort of 'protest' is only ever going to attract a minorty of irrelevant tossers with stuff like that...

When people are really fighting for their homes and livlihoods, it's going to get a bit feisty. And let's be honest, a smoke bomb is hardly going to scar someone for life. People call for action, they say 'oh, nothing ever gets done about all the wrongs in the world' and when some people start to actually do something, they are demonised for having the balls to stand up and try. When it's more roudy, there will always be a divide in opinion in how things should have gone, but I see the point in making a big impact with a fairly small demo when it's peoples homes at stake.

Fair play to the Class War people, I hope the attendance to your protests reach that of Berlin. Look forward to being able to make it up to one of these soon.

 

[Citizen66]

nope, do you know the various people you're referring to as 'irrelevant tossers'?

I know that they've outed themselves as whinging liberals. I don't even know if the op is involved with class war or not. It could be anyone.

 

[Dowie]

When people are really fighting for their homes and livlihoods, it's going to get a bit feisty. And let's be honest, a smoke bomb is hardly going to scar someone for life.

if it sets a cafe full of people on fire then it could do more than just scar them.... it was a really dumb thing to do

People call for action, they say 'oh, nothing ever gets done about all the wrongs in the world' and when some people start to actually do something, they are demonised for having the balls to stand up and try.

they're criticised because they just attacked a small business full of people they don't know anything about, it is a fucking stupid thing to do that only a tiny number of people are likely to agree with

 

[xes]

if it sets a cafe full of people on fire then it could do more than just scar them.... it was a really dumb thing to do



they're criticised because they just attacked a small business full of people they don't know anything about, it is a fucking stupid thing to do that only a tiny number of people are likely to agree with

They're attacking businesses like that because they themselves have been attacked by what those businesses represent. and a smoke 'grenade' won't start a fire in a cafe, unless it had lots of dry grass all over the floor. Let's not sensationalise it as some grand attempted murder charge.

 

[Dowie]

They're attacking businesses like that because they themselves have been attacked by what those businesses represent. and a smoke 'grenade' won't start a fire in a cafe, unless it had lots of dry grass all over the floor.

or maybe wallpaper, soft furnishings or table cloths etc..

Let's not sensationalise it as some grand attempted murder charge.

I'm not - I'm saying it was a stupid thing to do, I'm not crediting the fuckwit who did it with thinking through the potential consequences of throwing a smoke grenade into a confined space full of people.

 

[Wolveryeti]

A new shop is opening on my street. I will be holding a Residents Inquisition to establish how many social events for OAPs those capitalist pigs are planning to hold per day. Also, they will be forced to sell their products at below cost price to ensure that they are affordable to all. Tourists from surrounding areas will be discouraged with torches and pitchforks.

 

[cantsin]

what does a cereal bar have to do with it either - they don't seem to charge any more than a kebab shop and are cheaper than a curry house...

perhaps a building development or an estate agency might be more in line with what you're actually protesting about?

wasn't there/am not 100 % sure how useful / effective the CKC was as a target (who is / how wld it be measured ? ) - but i think you'd have to have a serious lack of imagination / perspective to not see how / why it became a target for bods out for what looked like half anti gentrification protest / half having a non expensive laugh on saturday night ( which is almost impossible to find around there nowadays ) .

"The whole of his life is beyond his control, and for all he sees of the world he might as well be on another planet... he likes to feel he is a Bohemian at heart; but he clings to his false and degraded version of individual revolt. His rent-a-crowd militancy for the latest good cause is an aspect of his real impotence... he does have marginal freedoms; a small area of liberty which as yet escapes the totalitarian control of the Spectacle; his flexible working hours permit adventure and experiment. But he is a sucker for punishment and freedom scares him to death……He is quite happy with this open prison organised for his benefit... The real poverty of his everyday life finds its immediate phantastic compensation in the opium of cultural commodities... he is obliged to discover modern culture as an admiring spectator... he thinks he is avant-garde if he's seen the latest Godard or 'participated' in the latest 'happening'. He discovers modernity as fast as the market can provide it: for him every rehash of ideas is a cultural revolution. His principal concern is status, and he eagerly snaps up all the paperback editions of important and 'difficult' texts with which mass culture has filled the bookstore. Unfortunately, he cannot read, so he devours them with his gaze…"

Mustapha Omar Khayatti,Strasbourg,1966.

 

[Dowie]

wasn't there/am not 100 % sure how useful / effective the CKC was as a target (who is / how wld it be measured ? ) - but i think you'd have to have a serious lack of imagination / perspective to not see how / why it became a target for bods out for what looked like half anti gentrification protest / half having a non expensive laugh on saturday night ( which is almost impossible to find around there nowadays ) .

well it seems to be frequented by people who might fall into the 'hipster' stereotype I guess, I mean the owners of it seem to have beards and dress a certain way

tis like when right wing types go and attack a mosques in response to some Islamist incident - it is just a dumb reactionary attack carried out by morons

oh they look like the sort of people we don't like, lets attack it

 

[xes]

well it seems to be frequented by people who might fall into the 'hipster' stereotype I guess, I mean the owners of it seem to have beards and dress a certain way

tis like when right wing types go and attack a mosques in response to some Islamist incident - it is just a dumb reactionary attack carried out by morons

oh they look like the sort of people we don't like, lets attack it

Yes, social clensing can be simplified to not liking people with beards

 

[Dowie]

Yes, social clensing can be simplified to not liking people with beards

what does attacking a cafe have to do with 'social cleansing'?

 

[xes]

what does attacking a cafe have to do with 'social cleansing'?

As has been said, many, many times before. It can be explained to you, but it can't be understood for you. And it has been explained many times over on this thread.

 

[Dowie]

As has been said, many, many times before. It can be explained to you, but it can't be understood for you. And it has been explained many times over on this thread.

and that is why this sort of stuff is only ever likely to attract a minority of idiots...

 

[xes]

and that is why this sort of stuff is only ever likely to attract a minority of idiots...

WHy, because you fail to grasp a simple concept? That's why these protests will only ever attract idiots? Okey dokey

 

[Dowie]

WHy, because you fail to grasp a simple concept? That's why these protests will only ever attract idiots? Okey dokey

What simple concept...

oh look those people have beards and dress differently?

Yes protests that involve attacking small businesses like that are only going to attract a small number of idiots - there is no popular support for that sort of crap... throwing smoke grenades into a cafe full of people etc..

 

[ViolentPanda]

McDonalds must be chuffed that its cool to hate small businesses instead these days.

I'm guessing fried chicken chains, bookies and electrical stores offering credit at outrageous APR don't get targeted though... since they provide such a great service to the local community too.

Nah it is definitely 'hipsters' that need putting in their place, well done to the protesters I'm sure you'll change a lot...

Oh look, another ill-considered Dowie post! There's a surprise!

 

[xes]

What simple concept...

oh look those people have beards and dress differently?

'oh look those people have beards and dress differently, and have moved in to our homes, pricing us out of where we grew up by raising rents and charging phenominal prices for their product, making stupid rich people think that this is the place to be because stuff is far too expensive for poor people, that's why they all had to go and live 'somewhere else'.

Fuck you. You're either a troll, or stupid. I'm not here to play with you.

 

[Dowie]

'oh look those people have beards and dress differently, and have moved in to our homes, pricing us out of where we grew up by raising rents and charging phenominal prices for their product, making stupid rich people think that this is the place to be because stuff is far too expensive for poor people, that's why they all had to go and live 'somewhere else'.

Fuck you. You're either a troll, or stupid. I'm not here to play with you.

how do you know that the people with beards in the hipster cafe people are the same people who've priced you out of 'your' area?

tis the same mentality as the idiots who attack mosques in response to Islamist attacks - oh look they've got beards and look like the people we don't like...

fuck you too if you think that sort of thing is justifiable

 

[ViolentPanda]

if it sets a cafe full of people on fire then it could do more than just scar them.... it was a really dumb thing to do

It's a smoke grenade. They contain non-volatile, non-toxic chemicals, and the smoke is generated through a chemical reaction, not through burning. Any venue with the potential to ignite from a smoke grenade would have been unfit for use.

 

[Mr Retro]

Been humming Eaton Rifles all day. Not sure why

 

[stethoscope]

You know, upwardly-mobile 'entrepreneurs' with access to capital, instead of buying boxes of cereal at wholesale prices then setting up an exclusive little café selling a bowl of it for a fiver, in one of the poorest parts of London, they could actually do something a bit more beneficial for the community they'd moved into. And I don't mean just pushing up property prices. Just a thought.

And this reducing it to 'people who look a certain way' is the most bullshit argument I ever see on these things.

 

[Dowie]

It's a smoke grenade. They contain non-volatile, non-toxic chemicals, and the smoke is generated through a chemical reaction, not through burning. Any venue with the potential to ignite from a smoke grenade would have been unfit for use.

it is a very hot exothermic reaction that can easily set stuff on fire, it could set plenty of places on fire and it is fucking stupid to throw it into an enclosed space with a bunch of people in, tis rather dumb to try and justify it with 'oh but its a chemical reaction not burning'

 

[Dowie]

You know, rather than upwardly-mobile 'entrepreneurs' with access to capital, buying boxes of cereal at wholesale prices then setting up an exclusive little café selling a bowl of it for a fiver, in one of the poorest parts of London, they could actually do something a bit more beneficial for the community they'd moved into.

presumably so could people who buy cheap chicken and fry it up or people who buy kebab meat etc.. or just about anyone operating a food business?

 

[stethoscope]

presumably so could people who buy cheap chicken and fry it up or people who buy kebab meat etc.. or just about anyone operating a food business?

The dynamics don't work like that with chicken or kebab takeaways - that's the point.

 

[Dowie]

The dynamics don't work like that with chicken or kebab takeaways - that's the point.

what 'dynamics'? There are plenty of people out there who've done pretty well out of fast food businesses.

 

[ViolentPanda]

They're attacking businesses like that because they themselves have been attacked by what those businesses represent. and a smoke 'grenade' won't start a fire in a cafe, unless it had lots of dry grass all over the floor. Let's not sensationalise it as some grand attempted murder charge.

Even a home-made smoke grenade won't set fire to anything except dry tinder. I know,'cos I made a few in my youth for the lols. The container gets hot from the chemical reaction - hot enough to burn a hand holding it - but it's highly unlikely to cause ignition unless some careless cunt has left oily rags and dry grass lying around, and even then it's still unlikely.

 

[Mr Retro]

If I was in there with my kids and some brave class warrior threw a smoke grenade into the cafe they wouldn't do it again. They'd have more pressing things on their mind

 

[stethoscope]

what 'dynamics'?

The dynamics of what happens in areas when they are gentrified.

 

[cantsin]

how do you know that the people with beards in the hipster cafe people are the same people who've priced you out of 'your' area?

tis the same mentality as the idiots who attack mosques in response to Islamist attacks - oh look they've got beards and look like the people we don't like...

fuck you too if you think that sort of thing is justifiable

you honestly don't acknowledge the ( very well established ) connection between hipsters ( "the shocktroops of gentrification ") and gentrification ?

 

[ViolentPanda]

A new shop is opening on my street. I will be holding a Residents Inquisition to establish how many social events for OAPs those capitalist pigs are planning to hold per day. Also, they will be forced to sell their products at below cost price to ensure that they are affordable to all. Tourists from surrounding areas will be discouraged with torches and pitchforks.

If I give you some old clothes, you could make a scarecrow from your straw man.

 

[DotCommunist]

If I was in there with my kids and some brave class warrior threw a smoke grenade into the cafe they wouldn't do it again. They'd have more pressing things on their mind

because you would hulk out