Fuck Gentrification - Join the Fuck Parade...Part 3!

[Citizen66]

I was only directing it at you because of your question 'which targets were wrong'. Never mind, shame though.

The reason why I asked that is because afaict there's only one target that the liberals are getting upset about. So why the plural? Are we weeping over Foxtons too?

 

[bimble]

Foxtons makes sense to me as a target because the city's biggest & most aggressive estate agency have played a part in the whole process, pushing up house prices. Foxtons probably helped the owner of that shop to get the cereal cafe hipsters to pay whatever massive rent it is that means they have to overcharge for cocopops. anyway.

 

[Citizen66]

Ok so not Foxtons. I'm stumped at the other 'wrong' targets then. Surely not Poor Doors?

 

[Citizen66]

The Ripper museum?

 

[Pickman's model]

Foxtons makes sense to me as a target because the city's biggest & most aggressive estate agency have played a part in the whole process, pushing up house prices. Foxtons probably helped the owner of that shop to get the cereal cafe hipsters to pay whatever massive rent it is that means they have to overcharge for cocopops. anyway.

what i particularly appreciate about your posts is the originality of your thought

 

[Nice one]

Still not made up with them then?

you still not made up with laurie penny yet?

 

[bimble]

what i particularly appreciate about your posts is the originality of your thought

i think you're taking the piss. Which is fine of course.. i'm just sad that the big bad fuck parade truck won't come here and scare the people who (currently where I live) are making some major decisions that will result directly in the eviction of all the existing businesses, mostly industrial, and their replacement with cupcake emporiums.

 

[Pickman's model]

I grew up in camden back when there was the DM boot shop & people selling pretty good weed for £5 on the canal.
The process by which its become a sort of Madame Tuassauds of stripy socks for tourists is more interesting and complex than just pointing the finger at "hipsters'.

For one thing the stables market in camden was bought by a private developer a few years ago.
Then there's the larger issue of central london housing shortage & prices.. I just think the whole 'I blame people with skinny jeans and overprices cereals" thing is kind of peurile and a failure of perspective.

fyi there is still the dm boot shop in camden, or was 3 weeks ago when i went past

 

[Pickman's model]

i think you're taking the piss. Which is fine of course.. i'm just sad that the big bad fuck parade truck won't come here and scare the people who (currently where I live) are making some major decisions that will result directly in the eviction of all the existing businesses, mostly industrial, and their replacement with cupcake emporiums.

the view you expressed was expressed by me in an article in 'touch of class' in 2007, shortly after cw picketed foxtons in the angel.

 

[Pickman's model]

but once again it's not either/or but both

 

[Citizen66]

you still not made up with laurie penny yet?

I've never had an exchange with her. I don't follow her writings or anything.

 

[bimble]

Ok so not Foxtons. I'm stumped at the other 'wrong' targets then. Surely not Poor Doors?

I know it's boring of me but just have this idea that it would be great if the energy & anger was put into something that might actually create a change, instead of just a theatrical show. Like go after the decision-makers, or get some big machines and smash up those anti-homeless spikes that are appearing all over London..

 

[Citizen66]

I know it's boring of me but just have this idea that it would be great if the energy & anger was put into something that might actually create a change, instead of just a theatrical show. Like go after the decision-makers, or get some big machines and smash up those anti-homeless spikes that are appearing all over London..
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So why aren't you?

 

[bimble]

So why aren't you?

I'm doing it here where I live just now, we have a 3,000 signature petition we're delivering to the relevant person next week for instance. Less fun than throwing cereals at hipsters though.

 

[Citizen66]

A strongly worded letter? Yeah. They'll sit up and listen for sure.

 

[bimble]

A strongly worded letter? Yeah. They work.

You carry on throwing cereals at hipsters, that works too, only I'm not sure what it is supposed to achieve exactly.

 

[Citizen66]

You carry on throwing cereals at hipsters, that works too, only I'm not sure what it is supposed to achieve exactly.

Well for example you're discussing the cereal bar and gentrification but nobody is discussing your petition.

 

[pocketscience]

The reason why I asked that is because afaict there's only one target that the liberals are getting upset about. So why the plural? Are we weeping over Foxtons too?

Didn't Ian Bone say CW would continue to target "independent businesses"?

 

[Nice one]

I've never had an exchange with her. I don't follow her writings or anything.

you have robust criticism of her on here which obviously translates as *personal grudge*.

 

[Citizen66]

Didn't Ian Bone say CW would continue to target "independent businesses"?

He did. But they're speaking in the past/present tense. We can hardly critique the future when it hasn't happened yet.

 

[bimble]

Well for example you're discussing the cereal bar and gentrification but nobody is discussing your petition.

ok. Agreed, the cereal bar has had loads of free publicity, probably the most famous cafe in London now.
My thing here is local, it's being discussed by the 3,000 people who care about the outcome of the decision (and was covered by the standard last week, but nowhere near as exciting as dancing around Shoreditch in pig masks and flaming torches that's true.

 

[Citizen66]

you have robust criticism of her on here which obviously translates as *personal grudge*.

Where? Glad to be corrected but you could count the posts I've made about her on one hand. She's not someone I've ever considered a comrade.

 

[Citizen66]

ok. Agreed, the cereal bar has had loads of free publicity, probably the most famous cafe in London now.
My thing here is local, it's being discussed by the 3,000 people who care about the outcome of the decision (and was covered by the standard last week, but nowhere near as exciting as dancing around Shoreditch in pig masks and flaming torches that's true.

But petitions in isolation drag people away from direct action as it makes people feel they've done something whilst steering them down an ineffective route. You've got yourself to thank when the council shrugs.

 

[Citizen66]

Furthermore, Class War were at reclaim Brixton.

 

[bimble]

But petitions in isolation drag people away from direct action as it makes people feel they've done something whilst steering them down an ineffective route. You've got yourself to thank when the council shrugs.

There's been direct action too but that just got called vandalism, and they responded with more CCTV. I did ask if the fuck truck could please come and act directly on the town hall, but seems independent shops are more appealing as target.

 

[pocketscience]

He did.

So the use of plural was right and the answer is "Independent Businesses".

But they're speaking in the past/present tense. We can hardly critique the future when it hasn't happened yet.

and it was pointless of you to ask LBJ to name the targets if you know that they haven't been targeted yet.

 

[bimble]

Furthermore, Class War were at reclaim Brixton.

Yes, I know. Thanks for coming. It's reclaimed now.

 

[Citizen66]

There's been direct action too but that just got called vandalism, and they responded with more CCTV. I did ask if the fuck truck could please come and act directly on the town hall, but seems independent shops are more appealing as target.

But they came to Reclaim Brixton. Have you supported any of their events? If you did you might have more joy in them supporting yours.

 

[Citizen66]

So the use of plural was right and the answer is "Independent Businesses".

and it was pointless of you to ask LBJ to name the targets if you know that they haven't been targeted yet.

And perhaps never will be. So it was pointless mentioning it.

I'm sure LBJ is capable of articulating what he meant himself though.

 

[Citizen66]

Yes, I know. Thanks for coming. It's reclaimed now.

Not a problem. Let us know how your petition goes.