Fuck Gentrification - Join the Fuck Parade...Part 3!

[ska invita]

interesting set of articles here:
Hipsterphobia is Theoretically Outdated [1/3] | Freedom News
Hipsterphobia is Xenophobic [2/3] | Freedom News
Hipsterphobia Sails Close to Homophobia and Gendered Norms [3/3] | Freedom News

I think theres some truth in this - though has to be set apart from the fact there are some people who can be categorised as hipsters who are just unlikable people because of their egos and values etc

 

[bimble]

interesting set of articles here:
Hipsterphobia is Theoretically Outdated [1/3] | Freedom News
Hipsterphobia is Xenophobic [2/3] | Freedom News
Hipsterphobia Sails Close to Homophobia and Gendered Norms [3/3] | Freedom News

I think theres some truth in this - though has to be set apart from the fact there are some people who can be categorised as hipsters who are just unlikable people because of their egos and values etc

Brilliant. thank you.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I think theres some truth in this - though has to be set apart from the fact there are some people who can be categorised as hipsters who are just unlikable people because of their egos and values etc

I don't think you can set it apart. That's the whole point - you don't know just by looking at someone or seeing what kind of coffee they drink or what kind of place they like to hang out in. That last article has it spot on, imo. Anti-hipster rhetoric is bullshit, politically bankrupt and ultimately inherently reactionary and conservative.

We don’t need supposedly libertarian people telling us to get fucked because they don’t like the clothes we wear, the culture we move amongst or the destabilising effect the complexity of our lives has on their narrow and antiquated view of the city.

Fucking right.

 

[Gromit]

I think theres some truth in this - though has to be set apart from the fact there are some people who can be categorised as hipsters who are just unlikable people because of their egos and values etc

Prejudice
1. an unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason.
2. any preconceived opinion or feeling, either favorable or unfavorable.
3. unreasonable feelings, opinions, or attitudes, especially of a hostile nature, regarding an ethnic, racial, social, or religious group.

We've had hipsters throughout history. Hipster is just the latest term for them. Basically people who want to be part of whatever cool culture is cool at the time. Today its beards and artisan breads. Once it was the grunge scene then iPods consumerism. Andy Warhol would be a hipster if he was alive today and would have the biggest beard on the planet.

Its funny how they have become a target for hate for having personal tastes. So much hate in the world cause people are different. How much nicer the world would be if everyone embraced diversity.

 

[Pickman's model]

Prejudice
1. an unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason.
2. any preconceived opinion or feeling, either favorable or unfavorable.
3. unreasonable feelings, opinions, or attitudes, especially of a hostile nature, regarding an ethnic, racial, social, or religious group.

We've had hipsters throughout history. Hipster is just the latest term for them. Basically people who want to be part of whatever cool culture is cool at the time. Today its beards and artisan breads. Once it was the grunge scene then iPods consumerism. Andy Warhol would be a hipster if he was alive today and would have the biggest beard on the planet.

Its funny how they have become a target for hate for having personal tastes. So much hate in the world cause people are different. How much nicer the world would be if everyone embraced diversity.

tbh i never saw punks or grungers try to alter the character of a neighbourhood in the way hipsters do. and it's not like it's just in london, exactly the same thing's happening in e.g. toronto. and frankly toronto seems to me to have at least as much of an issue with gentrification as london, with fucking 60-80 storey towerblocks of yuppie flats going up all round the city. this isn't a 'we don't like young people' thing, this is to me a class issue rather than an age one.

 

[Citizen66]

I don't think you can set it apart. That's the whole point - you don't know just by looking at someone or seeing what kind of coffee they drink or what kind of place they like to hang out in. That last article has it spot on, imo. Anti-hipster rhetoric is bullshit, politically bankrupt and ultimately inherently reactionary and conservative.

It's bollocks to say it's about hipsters. The Cereal Cafe lads are gentrifiers who happen to be hipsters. Like Branson is a Capitalist shark who happens to be a hippy. If people attacked Branson would we be saying it's an attack on hippies?

 

[Pickman's model]

I don't think you can set it apart. That's the whole point - you don't know just by looking at someone or seeing what kind of coffee they drink or what kind of place they like to hang out in. That last article has it spot on, imo. Anti-hipster rhetoric is bullshit, politically bankrupt and ultimately inherently reactionary and conservative.



Fucking right.

tbh if someone frequents establishments which are gentrifying an area i think you can tell one or two things about them, be they hipster or no.

 

[bimble]

maybe hipster is just the new word for yuppie? Because the beards aren't the point and yuppies stopped when shoulderpads stopped. ?

 

[Pickman's model]

maybe hipster is just the new word for yuppie? Because the beards aren't the point and yuppies stopped when shoulderpads stopped. ?

it isn't.

next.

 

[bimble]

ok. Next is.. this.
The best thing about it is that I got the link from today's email newsletter from Lambeth Council (true story).

How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

 

[Nice one]

It's bollocks to say it's about hipsters. The Cereal Cafe lads are gentrifiers who happen to be hipsters. Like Branson is a Capitalist shark who happens to be a hippy. If people attacked Branson would we be saying it's an attack on hippies?

tell that to your mates

We don't want your fucking hipster pop-ups. Go back to Hertfordshire. You aren't helpless bystanders in the class war - you're the problem.
Fuck Parade London Twitter

The point is hipster, like yuppie and toff are just trigger words, shorthand, they have been invested with no meaning (analysis), doesn't matter, not important, we just know they're bad peple doing bad things.

Cereal Cafe lads are business men rinsing the middle class in an enterprising way. Brick lane is a tourist destination (coincidentally just like camden high street, the site of the last fuck parade). Soft targets easy publicity.

 

[bimble]

Soft targets easy publicity.

I'm confused, looks like you're saying that' s a good thing.
And.. the publicity does what ?

 

[bimble]

it isn't.

next.

Looks like they serve the same function ?

 

[Pickman's model]

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Looks like they serve the same function ?

by no means. yuppies are as the word suggests young professionals. hipsters are more frequently seen running coffee bars or noodle places (or cereal bars) than working for banks, as lawyers or as stockbrokers.

 

[Maurice Picarda]

That's the front cover of Kes. What point are Bone's irregulars making about coal mining, compulsory football or falconry?

 

[bimble]

by no means. yuppies are as the word suggests young professionals. hipsters are more frequently seen running coffee bars or noodle places (or cereal bars) than working for banks, as lawyers or as stockbrokers.

But I think their moving in has the same effect on a place.

They might 'work in media" or crochet organic cupcakes instead of working in hedge funds.. might wear skinny jeans instead of suits but I thought that the main point was about their effect on a place they move into, which seems to me is similar?

Maybe you hate them more for the ironic tattoos and checked shirts not the gentrification?

 

[Pickman's model]

That's the front cover of Kes. What point are Bone's irregulars making about coal mining, compulsory football or falconry?

i think the point you're making is that you have missed the use of that image in punk and anarchist circles for more than a quarter of a century.

 

[bimble]

Are these by the same artist anyone know?

 

[Pickman's model]

But I think their moving in has the same effect on a place pretty much, I thought.. they might 'work in media" or crochet organic cupcakes instead of working in hedge funds.. might wear skinny jeans instead of suits but I thought that the main point was about their effect on a place they move into, which seems to me is similar?
Maybe you hate them more for the ironic tattoos not the gentrification?

i don't think i've ever commented here on hipster tattoos save to say that it will be a poor lookout for tattoo artists in 20 years time as tattoo overload is unlikely to cascade down to the next generation.

hipsters are more likely to sell things to yuppies than to be yuppies.

 

[Maurice Picarda]

i think the point you're making is that you have missed the use of that image in punk and anarchist circles for more than a quarter of a century.

So presumably, for a quarter of a century, people have been complaining that the image of anarchist rebellion is half-inched from a book about a youngster who thinks he's too good for t'pit and prefers to imprison wildlife, and in all that time not one of you useless camo-trousered wastrels has bothered to photograph or even photocopy an alternative image?

 

[bimble]

If I was a yuppie I'd start a chain of laser tattoo removal shops right now.

 

[Pickman's model]

So presumably, for a quarter of a century, people have been complaining that the image of anarchist rebellion is half-inched from a book about a youngster who thinks he's too good for t'pit and prefers to imprison wildlife, and in all that time not one of you useless camo-trousered wastrels has bothered to photograph or even photocopy an alternative image?

no.

next

 

[Citizen66]

tell that to your mates

We don't want your fucking hipster pop-ups. Go back to Hertfordshire. You aren't helpless bystanders in the class war - you're the problem.
Fuck Parade London Twitter

The point is hipster, like yuppie and toff are just trigger words, shorthand, they have been invested with no meaning (analysis), doesn't matter, not important, we just know they're bad peple doing bad things.

Cereal Cafe lads are business men rinsing the middle class in an enterprising way. Brick lane is a tourist destination (coincidentally just like camden high street, the site of the last fuck parade). Soft targets easy publicity.

True. But it's inaccurate to pretend that Class War are out there randomly attacking hipsters despite what their invective may indicate.

 

[Pickman's model]

see eg from c.2007

 

[Pickman's model]

tell that to your mates

We don't want your fucking hipster pop-ups. Go back to Hertfordshire. You aren't helpless bystanders in the class war - you're the problem.
Fuck Parade London Twitter

The point is hipster, like yuppie and toff are just trigger words, shorthand, they have been invested with no meaning (analysis), doesn't matter, not important, we just know they're bad peple doing bad things.

Cereal Cafe lads are business men rinsing the middle class in an enterprising way. Brick lane is a tourist destination (coincidentally just like camden high street, the site of the last fuck parade). Soft targets easy publicity.

i'm glad we agree they're bad people doing bad things.

 

[Maurice Picarda]

see eg from c.2007

It's shocking. One disaffected lout stumbles out of his key stage 4 GCSE class after ripping the front cover from his set text, and the resulting copy is part of posters that still look as if they were put together by 1980s fanzine editors despite that being ridiculous in 2007 and exponentially so in 2015.

 

[bimble]

It's shocking. One disaffected lout stumbles out of his key stage 4 GCSE class after ripping the front cover from his set text, and the resulting copy is part of posters that still look as if they were put together by 1980s fanzine editors despite that being ridiculous in 2007 and exponentially so in 2015.

You just made me find this.

 

[Pickman's model]

It's shocking. One disaffected lout stumbles out of his key stage 4 GCSE class after ripping the front cover from his set text, and the resulting copy is part of posters that still look as if they were put together by 1980s fanzine editors despite that being ridiculous in 2007 and exponentially so in 2015.

i don't think they had key stage 4 25 years ago, i certainly don't recall it from when i did gcses.

 

[Citizen66]

Kes is 46 years old. I think it's aged pretty well.

 

[Gromit]

My problem with all this is that the people moving into gentrification zones are the symptom not the cause.
Everyone is trying to get by and everyone aspires to a better life if not for themselves then for their kids. What kind of people begrudge others achieving it? They'd all prefer a race to the bottom is it? They are just as guilty of self interest as the ones they protest despite their violent self righteousness. Meanwhile the true villains sit back and laugh as we jealously fight amongst ourselves and just get richer.

The cause is the unrestrained capitalist housing market. The rich push out the middle incomes, the middle incomes push out the low incomes, the low incomes push out the really poor.
Not happy with this the government are trying their best to push out the benefit claimants.