Fuck Gentrification - Join the Fuck Parade...Part 3!

[free spirit]

Not the fault of the government or local authority, but the fault of people in council housing that were "profiteering" eh.

where did I say it wasn't the fault of the government or local authority?

But yes, those who've bought at a massive discount, then flogged it on to btl landlords at a massive profit and fucked off out of the area should also share some of the blame IMO for those areas losing their affordable council housing and the working class being priced out as a result. I'd be interested to know why you'd think they shouldn't.

 

[Pickman's model]

Would this be the leaflet cowritten by the undercover copper?

yeh. well, we didn't know that until recently.

 

[Pickman's model]

Talk to Pickmans he brought Greenpeace into it. And he's a pedant fucker and his Besty buddy was central to it he should have known better.

i didn't bring greenpeace into it, i mentioned LONDON greenpeace. don't blame me if you're ignorant of the difference.

 

[Pickman's model]

I imagine there would have had to be a pre trial anti mc Donald's campaign to justify mc Donald's suing them for libel.

You come off as a patronising obnoxious bullying arsehole.

And yes I am aware of the Mc libel campaign. Green peaces anti mc Donald's campaign ranged from the poor conditions of Mc Donald's Livestock. Amazon deforestation, workers Rights and a variety of other issues.

Like I said comparing McLibel to trashing a cafe because the owners are hipsters wankers is a real stretch.

i didn't compare mclibel to trashing a cafe. YOU said it was impossible to have a political campaign based on targeting a business. do you remember that? so i offered an example of a political campaign targeting a business.

the only reason you think i'm coming across as patronising, obnoxious and bullying is because you don't always listen when people speak softly and then they have to shout to get you to acknowledge the point, and even then, as here, you don't fucking get it because your a shitferbrains twat.

 

[LDC]

Well popular then. They seemed to be always getting trashed when there was a demo. I always used to have to have to sit in sight of a window when I was having a bite in there in order to see if there were any crusty types congregating outside. Just don't see them these days.

IMO it happens less now more due to the fact that in those years larger demos happened, and these tended to have a element that was able to trash windows under the cover of a larger mass, and of course McDonalds was a clear symbol of the corporate face of globalization that lots of these demos were (in part) about.

As someone said at the time, breaking McDonalds windows was the '90s equivalent of burning the US flag.

As well as that I think there's other issues to do with animal rights being a more significant part of the radical political scene then than it is now, and hopefully a maturing of the attitudes around being simplistically critical of the lifestyle politics that also McDonalds in part represented.

 

[LDC]

Would this be the leaflet cowritten by the undercover copper?

And your point is...?

 

[cesare]

Would this be the leaflet cowritten by the undercover copper?

Like they should have been aware of that at the time, you mean?

 

[cesare]

where did I say it wasn't the fault of the government or local authority?

But yes, those who've bought at a massive discount, then flogged it on to btl landlords at a massive profit and fucked off out of the area should also share some of the blame IMO for those areas losing their affordable council housing and the working class being priced out as a result. I'd be interested to know why you'd think they shouldn't.

You didn't say. That's the point. You just point your finger at people in council houses that exercised their right to buy whilst concurrently not commenting on other gentrification factors. And also complaining like fuck about small businesses getting targeted.

 

[Nice one]

And your point is...?

No especial point. If someone's asking someone else if they've read a leaflet just wanted to make sure it was the same leaflet.

 

[free spirit]

You didn't say. That's the point. You just point your finger at people in council houses that exercised their right to buy whilst concurrently not commenting on other gentrification factors. And also complaining like fuck about small businesses getting targeted.

Sorry I didn't write a full essay on all the aspects of the situation, but I've written enough about it in the past that I really didn't think it was necessary when attempting to make a specific point about one aspect of the situation.
eg

Of course it was ideological, why else would Thatcher specifically prevent councils from using the income from council house sales to build new council houses, and why were councils prevented from borrowing new money themselves to build new council houses?

None of that was economic, it was purely ideological, the ideology being that the public sectors should neither build or own / operate affordable housing themselves, and that by removing the public sector from this sector it would open up a whole new economic space for the private sector to step into and make money out of.

Only once you exclude the potential for actual public housing build by and for the public sector does your post apply.

so no I don't just point the finger at people in council houses who exercise their right to buy, I just didn't attempt to outline the entire situation in one bb post.

Now, do you agree that those who actually did profiteer in this way must share some responsibility for this situation, or are they merely blameless victims who had no option but to buy their homes at a big discount then flog them at a big profit to btl landlords who then re-let the same houses at a vastly higher rents?

 

[cesare]

This is like poor Assange, and poor football rapist, all over again.

 

[free spirit]

This is like poor Assange, and poor football rapist, all over again.

you used to be a poster worth debating with. It's a shame you've descended to this bollocks of late.

 

[cesare]

you used to be a poster worth debating with. It's a shame you've descended to this bollocks of late.

Your good opinion means less than nothing to me. You weasel your way out of every unpleasant stance you take. And what's worse, you can't do it succinctly.

 

[free spirit]

Your good opinion means less than nothing to me. You weasel your way out of every unpleasant stance you take. And what's worse, you can't do it succinctly.

whereas you just misinterpret anything said to mean what you want it to mean.

I note your reluctance to debate the point being made.

 

[cesare]

whereas you just misinterpret anything said to mean what you want it to mean.

I note your reluctance to debate the point being made.

Your point is to make sure that individuals are blamed for state policy. That people's attention is distracted to blaming WC individuals concurrently with making the case for small business owners. So, no. I've got no interest in your apportioning of blame to the WC and those that fight back, and I think you're contemptible.

 

[free spirit]

Your point is to make sure that individuals are blamed for state policy. That people's attention is distracted to blaming WC individuals concurrently with making the case for small business owners. So, no. I've got no interest in your apportioning of blame to the WC and those that fight back, and I think you're contemptible.

shit answer, and shit interpretation of what I've said.

but if this is the level of debate you're able to work on now, then feel free to ignore my posts as you'll no doubt pick up the shitty end of the stick everytime.

 

[Pickman's model]

you used to be a poster worth debating with. It's a shame you've descended to this bollocks of late.

she will never descend to your abyssal level.

 

[cesare]

shit answer, and shit interpretation of what I've said.

but if this is the level of debate you're able to work on now, then feel free to ignore my posts as you'll no doubt pick up the shitty end of the stick everytime.

I'm not going to ignore your posts because you use your small business status as a cover for your attacks. What's worse, you also made a huge fuss about supporting the LibDems before you bailed on them to become a green. You are the absolute embodiment of neoliberalism writ large.

 

[free spirit]

You are the absolute embodiment of neoliberalism writ large.

oh fuck off with that bullshit

 

[free spirit]

she will never descend to your abyssal level.

says the sewer dweller.

 

[cesare]

oh fuck off with that bullshit

No.

 

[Pickman's model]

says the sewer dweller.

i rest my case

 

[free spirit]

No.

if you think I in any way embody neoliberalism then you obviously don't have a clue what the term means.

 

[cesare]

if you think I in any way embody neoliberalism then you obviously don't have a clue what the term means.

I was just being kind.

 

[free spirit]

I was just being kind.

a disingenuous wanker more like.

If I was what you say, then I'd not have 'bailed on the lib dems to support the Greens'.... though that's a bit of a misrepresentation given that I bailed on the lib dems pretty much as soon as they went into coalition with the tories, and joined the Greens 4.5 years later when it became clear that they were the only significant party standing that didn't support those neoliberal austerity policies.

 

[cesare]

a disingenuous wanker more like.

If I was what you say, then I'd not have 'bailed on the lib dems to support the Greens'.... though that's a bit of a misrepresentation given that I bailed on the lib dems pretty much as soon as they went into coalition with the tories, and joined the Greens 4.5 years later when it became clear that they were the only significant party standing that didn't support those neoliberal austerity policies.

Listen to yourself. Come on, let's hear your weaselly excuses for supporting Assange and Ched Evans next.

 

[free spirit]

Listen to yourself. Come on, let's hear your weaselly excuses for supporting Assange and Ched Evans next.

if you don't want to actually debate a subject why not just not debate it rather than this bullshit?

You think you should have the right to post up complete crap about me without me pointing out that you're talking complete crap?

I dared to disagree with the Urban lynch mob on the Ched Evans case, and attempt to have a discussion of the legal implications stemming from it, but the lynch mob were having none of it so I gave up.

Assange and wikileaks, not really sure what you're on about, you've probably mixed me up with someone else or picked up the wrong end of the stick again.

 

[ClassWar2015]

so class war is now to just be about PR stunts against stuff they consider the be vacuous shit?

Sounds kinda fun, but also a wee bit limited in political terms.... but then I guess that's class war all over.

We have generated debate globally by this action. This can only be a good thing.

 

[cesare]

if you don't want to actually debate a subject why not just not debate it rather than this bullshit?

You think you should have the right to post up complete crap about me without me pointing out that you're talking complete crap?

I dared to disagree with the Urban lynch mob on the Ched Evans case, and attempt to have a discussion of the legal implications stemming from it, but the lynch mob were having none of it so I gave up.

Assange and wikileaks, not really sure what you're on about, you've probably mixed me up with someone else or picked up the wrong end of the stick again.

Urban lynch mob after poor Ched Evans. (((Rapists)))

Edit: and here's the Assange link Assange to face extradition

 

[ClassWar2015]