Fuck Gentrification - Join the Fuck Parade...Part 3!

[ViolentPanda]

When the wc are finally driven out of the capital to find affordable accommodation elsewhere, how will the capital function without wc workers?

Two "solutions", bish. Neither of which favours the working class: Either a system that buses workers from " dormitory" camps, or the reinstatement of live-in servitude in some cases.

 

[ViolentPanda]

There are plenty of other businesses in that area selling imported vinyl and clothes that are out of the reaches of w/c wages so I don't see why the cereal cafe should be targeted for the price of its goods.

Then you have no understanding of human emotional motivation.

 

[8den]

Then you have no understanding of human emotional motivation.

No I do. I think targeted the cereal cafe because you think the owners and customers are dickheads is a bloody stupid reason for a political action. And getting excited because it generated column inches is fucking stupid too.

 

[ViolentPanda]

If you're poor, you're effectively excluded from half the business in your area wherever you live. If only poor people live in your area, half the shops will be empty. Used to be a depressing sight around many estates in London - a row of shop spaces, mostly closed up, with an offie and a bookies the only ones still going.

Did you get that from ringing dial-a-cliche? Less than a quarter of estates in Greater London ever had retail outlets on them, and most of them were screwed from day one because local authorities charged high rents.

 

[ViolentPanda]

No I do. I think targeted the cereal cafe because you think the owners and customers are dickheads is a bloody stupid reason for a political action. And getting excited because it generated column inches is fucking stupid too.

Like I said, no understanding.

 

[8den]

Like I said, no understanding.

Then clearly the people trying to justify this action are doing a piss poor job of it.

 

[cesare]

No I do. I think targeted the cereal cafe because you think the owners and customers are dickheads is a bloody stupid reason for a political action. And getting excited because it generated column inches is fucking stupid too.

 

[Pickman's model]

I brought up the trial because it's the action Morris is connected with.

And you brought your "good mate" Morris

i was thinking rather more of the pre-trial campaign - you do know there was an anti-mcds campaign before the trial? have you in fact heatd of the 'what's wrong with mcdonalds' leaflet? do you know what you're talking about? - at lrast to the last we know the answer's a resounding 'no'.

 

[8den]

i was thinking rather more of the pre-trial campaign - you do know there was an anti-mcds campaign before the trial? have you in fact heatd of the 'what's wrong with mcdonalds' leaflet? do you know what you're talking about? - at lrast to the last we know the answer's a resounding 'no'.

I imagine there would have had to be a pre trial anti mc Donald's campaign to justify mc Donald's suing them for libel.

You come off as a patronising obnoxious bullying arsehole.

And yes I am aware of the Mc libel campaign. Green peaces anti mc Donald's campaign ranged from the poor conditions of Mc Donald's Livestock. Amazon deforestation, workers Rights and a variety of other issues.

Like I said comparing McLibel to trashing a cafe because the owners are hipsters wankers is a real stretch.

 

[cesare]

It wasn't Greenpeace. It was London Greenpeace.

 

[cesare]

The cafe wasn't trashed.

 

[cesare]

Christ.

 

[8den]

It wasn't Greenpeace. It was London Greenpeace.

Talk to Pickmans he brought Greenpeace into it. And he's a pedant fucker and his Besty buddy was central to it he should have known better.

 

[cesare]

Talk to Pickmans he brought Greenpeace into it. And he's a pedant fucker and his Besty buddy was central to it he should have known better.

He didn't bring Greenpeace into it. Greenpeace has got nothing to do with London Greenpeace.

 

[stethoscope]

Talk to Pickmans he brought Greenpeace into it. And he's a pedant fucker and his Besty buddy was central to it he should have known better.

No he said London Greenpeace. And it's you that keeps hyping up what didn't happen despite also saying above "getting excited because it generated column inches is fucking stupid too". Only people doing that are the liberals 'outraged' by the cafe being targeted.

Jesus

 

[The39thStep]

Fashionable?

Well popular then. They seemed to be always getting trashed when there was a demo. I always used to have to have to sit in sight of a window when I was having a bite in there in order to see if there were any crusty types congregating outside. Just don't see them these days.

 

[The39thStep]

They've also cleaned up their act on ethically sourced ingredients etc

And reduced their prices

 

[FridgeMagnet]

I'm honestly baffled how some people seem not to understand at all why the cereal cafe was a target—if an opportunistic one, it wasn't in any plans or anything afaik—and a very very good one. I joked about it earlier but it's like wondering why "Champagne & Fromage" was a target in Brixton. Also there are so many dumb blog articles saying "why oh why would anyone have a go at the cereal cafe let's talk about gentrification".

 

[cesare]

I'm honestly baffled how some people seem not to understand at all why the cereal cafe was a target—if an opportunistic one, it wasn't in any plans or anything afaik—and a very very good one. I joked about it earlier but it's like wondering why "Champagne & Fromage" was a target in Brixton. Also there are so many dumb blog articles saying "why oh why would anyone have a go at the cereal cafe let's talk about gentrification".

Equivalent of the greasy spoon for the well heeled + lack of awareness, I suppose. Some people just don't get that "well everyone's done a day trip to X" (for example) will generate a sharp intake of breath/massive cringe. They just don't appreciate how far their day to day trivial pleasures are from people struggling to survive.

 

[DotCommunist]

And reduced their prices

the 99p menu has fallen drastically in range and I can't remember the last time there was a deal voucher on the back of my bus ticket. Don't be fooled by the clowns new wraps and real meat. Still slyly hiking the prices for the classics back up to the bad old days.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Equivalent of the greasy spoon for the well heeled + lack of awareness, I suppose. Some people just don't get that "well everyone's done a day trip to X" (for example) will generate a sharp intake of breath/massive cringe. They just don't appreciate how far their day to day trivial pleasures are from people struggling to survive.

The thing is though that the cereal café's whole point is that it's massively vacuous novelty bullshit. I mean, everybody knows this, it's their whole strategy, to be the most massively vacuous piece of novelty bullshit in the area, and they've done well—it's a tough market round there but I have to say they've managed it. The fact that anyone knows about it at all is down to that. Some people might find that funny (and it would be funny in a more neutral context, sure) but they know it's bullshit all the same.

So honestly not understanding why targetting the most massively vacuous piece of novelty bullshit in an area, in the context of a protest about people being pushed out of their homes because of the random desires of richer people... well, you have to not appreciate that the whole basis of the café is that it's bullshit (despite that being clearly the point of it) and/or you have to not appreciate or accept that the protest has any point to it at all (despite them repeatedly talking about that point and also Class War having a long history of protesting about it there).

And even if you don't appreciate one or both of those things, it's undeniable that it's brought loads of publicity to a protest that would otherwise have had little or no airtime/twittertime.

 

[kabbes]

Oh sure, like it when he says it.

 

[cesare]

The thing is though that the cereal café's whole point is that it's massively vacuous novelty bullshit. I mean, everybody knows this, it's their whole strategy, to be the most massively vacuous piece of novelty bullshit in the area, and they've done well—it's a tough market round there but I have to say they've managed it. The fact that anyone knows about it at all is down to that. Some people might find that funny (and it would be funny in a more neutral context, sure) but they know it's bullshit all the same.

So honestly not understanding why targetting the most massively vacuous piece of novelty bullshit in an area, in the context of a protest about people being pushed out of their homes because of the random desires of richer people... well, you have to not appreciate that the whole basis of the café is that it's bullshit (despite that being clearly the point of it) and/or you have to not appreciate or accept that the protest has any point to it at all (despite them repeatedly talking about that point and also Class War having a long history of protesting about it there).

And even if you don't appreciate one or both of those things, it's undeniable that it's brought massive publicity to a protest that would otherwise have had little or no airtime/twittertime.

I agree. But that doesn't explain the liberal outrage - assuming it's genuine outrage. I was offering an explanation for genuine outrage. But if it's not genuine outrage then you have to draw the conclusion that they're hyping it up and milking it for all it's worth and getting their journalist mates to do the same, to milk every drop of profit from it.

 

[cesare]

Oh sure, like it when he says it.

What?

 

[free spirit]

so class war is now to just be about PR stunts against stuff they consider the be vacuous shit?

Sounds kinda fun, but also a wee bit limited in political terms.... but then I guess that's class war all over.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

What?

He's mocking himself.

 

[cesare]

so class war is now to just be about PR stunts against stuff they consider the be vacuous shit?

Sounds kinda fun, but also a wee bit limited in political terms.... but then I guess that's class war all over.

No-one's going to forget you saying that displaced people have brought it on themselves anytime soon.

 

[free spirit]

No-one's going to forget you saying that displaced people have brought it on themselves anytime soon.

I think you've got me confused with someone else.

 

[cesare]

36% of right to buy housing in London is now private rented, as those who bought the houses chose to take the profits and run, leaving others now to pay far higher rents to private landlords for the same house probably in a worse condition than those still owned by the council.

So while they didn't directly exploit people for that profit, others are now suffering as a result of their profiteering.

Not the fault of the government or local authority, but the fault of people in council housing that were "profiteering" eh.

 

[Nice one]

i was thinking rather more of the pre-trial campaign - you do know there was an anti-mcds campaign before the trial? have you in fact heatd of the 'what's wrong with mcdonalds' leaflet? do you know what you're talking about? - at lrast to the last we know the answer's a resounding 'no'.

Would this be the leaflet cowritten by the undercover copper?