Fuck Gentrification - Join the Fuck Parade...Part 3!

[Pickman's model]

dr?

 

[cesare]

dr?

Yes, she was given an honorary doctorate somewhere so is making sure she incorporates the title/status in an ironic way of course.

 

[Celyn]

She got an honorary doctorate from somewhere apparently, and has taken to calling herself "Dr".

 

[butchersapron]

Wow. Another thing i read wrong. What's happened to me!!!

 

[belboid]

Produce this tweet

Lisa Mckenzie ‏@redrumlisa Sep 27Poplar, London
Suffragettes were accused of terrorism, so was Mandela. Direct actions from those most affected. Get off your high horses #fuckparade

Not really making the comparison claimed

 

[Celyn]

Oops. Snap!

I don't think they can really need much money to clean some paint off. I wonder whether Jack Monroe hasn't read up on the story or whether she's trying to become part of it to gain publicity. A bit odd.

 

[cesare]

Bit odd that she's famous for showing everyone how to survive on poached germs but supporting massively overpriced cereal bar. Plus she's surely well off enough now to just send them a bottle of cillit bang or something.

 

[cesare]

More snaps

 

[cesare]

Lisa Mckenzie ‏@redrumlisa Sep 27Poplar, London
Suffragettes were accused of terrorism, so was Mandela. Direct actions from those most affected. Get off your high horses #fuckparade

Not really making the comparison claimed

Well, quite.

 

[Celyn]

More snaps

with crackles and pops! (Milk extra)

 

[cesare]

with crackles and pops! (Spilled Milk extra)

CFY

 

[marty21]

The perspective is skewed, eh. It's not news that RTB has resulted in ex-council properties ending up in the hands of private landlords and Tower Hamlets has suffered a lot from that (there was a report released about 18 months ago called " From Right to Buy to Buy to Let" and it showed that ~50% of TH's RTB homes had ended up that way.) But RTB has been around since the 80s, it's not a sudden phenomena. It's not the fault of the displaced that RTB didn't provide for replacement housing stock - the original wave of those buying their properties didn't even know that at the time. It's not the fault of the displaced that TH didn't have covenants preventing RTB properties to be let through the private sector. It's not the fault of the displaced that TH didn't have a right not to sell if not in the community interest. Etc. I've already provided a link that not only defines gentrification but also sets out the 4 stage gentrification process. No-one's inventing the wheel by describing gentrification, the process has been shown over and over again since the 60s. What's new is the denial of gentrification coupled with not being able to differentiate between regeneration (in the proper sense, not the aka gentrification sense used by local councillors and developers) and actual gentrification.

When the Tories increased the RTB discounts in 2010, they claimed that for every home sold, a new one would be built, I read a report recently that the actual figure is 1 new home built for every 12 sold (can't remember where I read it now so no link - my bad)

Now Tories have targetted Housing Associations and they are rolling over and I think the big players will introduce a voluntary RTB scheme to avoid being made public bodies - apparently they have a cast iron agreement with the government that it will be 1:1 , one built for every one sold

Plus Councils are expected to help fund the HA RTB by selling their larger properties in more lucrative areas - basically London.

Working in the sector I speak to people most days who are overcrowded and see no chance of actually getting a place big enough for their families, and I'm not talking about huge families, just a 3 bed would be enough for most of them. Under RTB the bigger places were more popular so this new policy will reduce them still further

luckily in a way, the high prices in London make it difficult for tenants on average income to actually buy their homes - In the central London Boroughs you have council places worth up to a million, so a £75k or £100k discount is not going to help someone on an average income very much. So the Tories think of another wheeze, which i think is connected with the high house prices - force the Councils to sell their larger properties to part fund the HA sell off of properties - if ordinary tenants can't afford the london prices then rich folk can

 

[butchersapron]

luckily in a way, the high prices in London make it difficult for tenants on average income to actually buy their homes - In the central London Boroughs you have council places worth up to a million, so a £75k or £100k discount is not going to help someone on an average income very much. So the Tories think of another wheeze, which i think is connected with the high house prices - force the Councils to sell their larger properties to part fund the HA sell off of properties - if ordinary tenants can't afford the london prices then rich folk can

A list of these wheezes you've spotted in your professional career would be very useful marty.

 

[Citizen66]

Please say it aint true that some Class War person tweeted something trying to compare smashing up a cereal cafe to the anti apartheid struggle.

Dunt no were did u fine this?

 

[Fozzie Bear]

"repairs"

clean a bit of paint off.

 

[cesare]

See also "riot"

 

[belboid]

"repairs"

clean a bit of paint off.

and a new pair of undeprants

 

[Fozzie Bear]

and a new pair of undeprants

These are people from Belfast?

 

[ViolentPanda]

I have deduced that the gang of five who try to bully and intimidate people on this forum are one and the same person. Most probably a troll or undercover old bill, an agent provocateur or just bored old grumpy git sitting at home with nothing better to do. Either way I am going out in the real world to do something constructive, something that is somewhat different to the search and destroy mentality of some of the gang of five.

We're all a bored Welsh schoolteacher with sociopathic tendencies'

 

[ViolentPanda]

A lot of self employed and small business owners would argue the same thing.

Why do you keep going on about the means of production yet you deride the issue of private housing (paricularly RTB) over social housing, on a thread about gentrification?
Social cleansing through social housing reduction has been mentioned. Now it's taboo to ask if home-owners, particularly those that partook in the rush to buy cheep council gaffs, could be targeted by CW as well?

RTB has nothing directly to do with gentrification. It's merely a conduit through which some former social housing becomes a draw (through pricing) into areas, but it's hardly the only conduit.
As for your emotive whine about a rush to buy, there never was one. By the time people realised that there was money to be made, the tenant discounts had been reduced by half or more - the 80% discounts for tenants with over 35 years' tenure ran for about 5 years in the '80s - and RTB sales have mostly been a slow, steady erosion. I've been watching RTB since 1980, and social cleansing is a relatively news phenomenon that's currently more tied in with private rental prices than to do with RTB. The true blame lies with Ridley & Jenkins suggesting binning one on one replacement of RTBed homes, and Thatcher biting.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I'm going on Bones comments. Ive not seen the statement from class war. To clarify why hasn't CKC worked well with the local community?

Colour me cynical, but given the average w/c wage in TH, the Keary bros can't be accused of being inclusive with their pricing.

 

[ViolentPanda]

...seem to be talking about gentrification we seem to be talking about class war.

class war, as opposed to Class War, is the logical end-game, with regard to gentrification.

 

[cesare]

Colour me cynical, but given the average w/c wage in TH, the Keary bros can't be accused of being inclusive with their pricing.

It's possible to be completely unaware of the social deprivation in TH. The brothers can walk from Shoreditch Overground to their café without going anywhere near anything much to jog their attention. Child poverty for half the children living in TH? Not the ones in our café.

 

[marty21]

When I worked for a Housing Association in West London years ago , I spoke to one of the old guys who'd worked for them since the 70s . They regenerated Notting Hill /Bayswater in the late 60s/early 70s , buying up shitty properties previously owned by Rachman and Rachman-like landlords . They did the properties up , rented them to local families at affordable rents eventually after a while people began to see improvements and realised these houses were actually rather good and started buying as well , prices soared thanks in part to the various Housing Associations in the area. By the 90s when I was there I was regularly being called by private owners complaining about how our tenants were behaving badly they probably weren't having dinner parties and that the new generation of owners didn't like the fact that there was social housing in their street atm this is still the case in many 'desirable ' areas in London but this is likely to change over the next 5 years and maybe forever

 

[Mr.Bishie]

When the wc are finally driven out of the capital to find affordable accommodation elsewhere, how will the capital function without wc workers?

 

[Lurdan]

When the wc are finally driven out of the capital to find affordable accommodation elsewhere, how will the capital function without wc workers?

That's easy - sanction them in their outer dormitories until they agree to travel hours every day for a minimum wage job, or failing that hoverbus some new ones in.

However back here in reality this is just a trend - it can never be fully achieved or anything close to that, not least because, amongst other problems, the cunts forgot to build the townships to move us to, and their nimby chums now won't let them.

 

[smokedout]

I hate to say it ...

 

[Mr.Bishie]

I'd missed that. Fuckin nora.

 

[8den]

Colour me cynical, but given the average w/c wage in TH, the Keary bros can't be accused of being inclusive with their pricing.

There are plenty of other businesses in that area selling imported vinyl and clothes that are out of the reaches of w/c wages so I don't see why the cereal cafe should be targeted for the price of its goods.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

If you're poor, you're effectively excluded from half the business in your area wherever you live. If only poor people live in your area, half the shops will be empty. Used to be a depressing sight around many estates in London - a row of shop spaces, mostly closed up, with an offie and a bookies the only ones still going.