How is me saying he presented a false dichotomy a 'boring platitude'? Care to expand on that?
Fuck Gentrification - Join the Fuck Parade...Part 3!
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How is me saying he presented a false dichotomy a 'boring platitude'? Care to expand on that?
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Seizing space and doing what the fuck you want is rather empowering.
Read the post you responded to again and point to where I said daubing graffiti on a shop window "helps the poor".
Wolveryeti
Detty Pig
Looked quite a lot like you were trying to shut down Mr Retro by suggesting he didnt have a right to comment as by your assumption he wasn't involved in the fightback against the 'onslaught on the poor'.
Unlike your beloved goons.
If over-priced cereal defenders such as Mr Retro, and your good self, want to challenge my suggestion that you're do nothing wankers, then you're at Liberty to set us straight on that point whenever you're ready.
grit
an ugly force for good
It was a reference to class war's glib responses.
Right. Well quote them and not me when you mean to reply to them and not me.
fredfelt
Mostly unknown member
I could do with being spoon fed as to why this small independant business is being targeted.
It riles me that our high streets have been taken over by UK PLC. How lax controls on capital means that banks and corporate landlords make it increasingly difficult for people to be part of their community. Massive rents mean that corporate chains usually dominate our high streets - they suck cash from the community, and in careful tax planning the money ends up in the hands of the owners and funders of the corporations. There's no local benefit, no local input. Just an efficient money making machine masterminded from faceless offices - devoid of any real character.
However there remain a few locally owned and operated businesses which are dong what they can to make a living from the high street and in their community. To make a living there's no option but to react the the changing nature of the high street. Without the financial advantage of operating from a corporation it's massively hard to compete with these faceless, tax dodging bastards.
The Cereal Killer cafe is undoubtedly a result of the gentrification process but they are far from the cause. If anything the small, independent operator offers hope. Hope that people can make a living without having to join the corporate race to the bottom. Hope that people can live in, and find meaningful employment in their own community.
It might be because I'm a die hard liberal but in my mind an economy based on local operators earning a living, where cash circulates locally is far better than a corporate economy where cash is stashed away to tax havens.
It riles me that our high streets have been taken over by UK PLC. How lax controls on capital means that banks and corporate landlords make it increasingly difficult for people to be part of their community. Massive rents mean that corporate chains usually dominate our high streets - they suck cash from the community, and in careful tax planning the money ends up in the hands of the owners and funders of the corporations. There's no local benefit, no local input. Just an efficient money making machine masterminded from faceless offices - devoid of any real character.
However there remain a few locally owned and operated businesses which are dong what they can to make a living from the high street and in their community. To make a living there's no option but to react the the changing nature of the high street. Without the financial advantage of operating from a corporation it's massively hard to compete with these faceless, tax dodging bastards.
The Cereal Killer cafe is undoubtedly a result of the gentrification process but they are far from the cause. If anything the small, independent operator offers hope. Hope that people can make a living without having to join the corporate race to the bottom. Hope that people can live in, and find meaningful employment in their own community.
It might be because I'm a die hard liberal but in my mind an economy based on local operators earning a living, where cash circulates locally is far better than a corporate economy where cash is stashed away to tax havens.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
ClassWar2015
classwarparty.org.uk
Some great footage from last night........ Anti-gentrification protesters target Shoreditch's Cereal Killer Cafe - video
ClassWar2015
classwarparty.org.uk
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DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
notice no champion arises to defend the honour of the estate agents windae
editor
hiraethified
Can't say I'd feel much hope for my High Street if places like that took over the existing shops.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Exactly the same as is slowly happening throughout London and the south-east, and will eventually happen everywhere.
How long till we're back to the situation of povs having to knock on the grocer's side door, rather than use the main part of the shop, on account of upsetting the nicely-groomed bourgeois customers there?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
More graphically, it's 3 boxes of cereal, and if they're own-brand cereals, several days-worth of milk too.
How could it not? You don't need a "No Dogs, No Gyppoes, No Locals" sign in your window in order to exclude, or even high prices, just the fact of a concept for your business that aims to be exclusive.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
The estate agents can eat my clinkers, the parasitic fuckwads.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Wolveryeti
Detty Pig
It's cool, bro. Well-established fact that when poor people can't afford something in a shop they are in favour of vandalising it. This then improves the quality of their life.
I have some more targets for your goons: pubs. Have you seen how much more expensive a pint is compared with buying a tinny? Gentrifying bastards.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
we can explain it to you, we cannot understand it for you
editor
hiraethified
Yep. And the Shrub & Shutter cocktail bar is as much use to the council estate community that overlooks it as a trendy cereal store.It's happening right outside your window.
editor
hiraethified
Why do you think the beers are so expensive? Any idea?It's cool, bro. Well-established fact that when poor people can't afford something in a shop they are in favour of vandalising it. This then improves the quality of their life.
I have some more targets for your goons: pubs. Have you seen how much more expensive a pint is compared with buying a tinny? Gentrifying bastards.
grit
an ugly force for good
Class war seems to disagree.
Wolveryeti
Detty Pig
Probably a very similar set of reasons to why CK charge 3 quid for a bowl of cereal. I imagine a lot of it comes down to the rent.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
It's not about improving the quality of your life, it's about reacting to something (in this case a shop) that is effectively giving you and yours the finger.
I have some more targets for your goons: pubs. Have you seen how much more expensive a pint is compared with buying a tinny? Gentrifying bastards.
That's a poor comparison. Most pubs provide more than just booze and a place to consume it - they provide entertainment as well. Most pub drinkers acknowledge the higher cost and accept it on that basis.
Nonsense! Not everyone in the local estates is totally broke and less than a tenner to take 3 kids out for a treat is about as affordable as it gets. Maybe some of the locals appreciate being able to take the kids out for a treat that isn't a happy meal.
Maybe some of the young adults living locally appreciate there being somewhere they can pop into and relax in the evening that doesn't mean drinking alcohol. Probably cheaper too.
The place doesn't appeal much to me but there are many many more viable targets along Brick Lane then this place.
And Running around with pigs heads doesn't seem to be the best way to engage with the local community in an area that is famous for it's Bengali community.
On a more positive note, I did like this pic tweeted by TfL. Could be a recruiting tool. I especially like the 'white collar factory' text in the background.
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ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Nope, it comes down to market economics - charge what the traffic can bear, and the more the traffic will bear, the better, hence the way such "adventurous" outlets take care in choosing their location.
Steel Icarus
ersatz maven
Thank fuck we don't have that gentrification nonsense up North. It'd just be smacked in the face with some coal and have the whippets and pigeons set on it.
It's cool, bro. Well-established fact that when poor people can't afford something in a shop they are in favour of vandalising it. This then improves the quality of their life.
I have some more targets for your goons: pubs. Have you seen how much more expensive a pint is compared with buying a tinny? Gentrifying bastards.
You think pubs are over-priced because they're slapping a 1000% profit on their products, or does tax have anything to do with it?
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