Frankfurt School: In our time
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So their ideas dominate the world.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Why do you think Windsor Castle is ringed with Chinese restaurants???
Eh?
Eh?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
It's a novel take, though. I'll grant you that.
Sure Cultural Marxists exist, just as the bigots claim they do. I should know. I'm one of them!
Sure Cultural Marxists exist, just as the bigots claim they do. I should know. I'm one of them!
I wouldn't put it like that, but the F-School are most certainly influential on today's Western left.
Tbh I'm not sure what's so controversial. These guys were far from stupid, in fact they were brilliant geniuses--Lukacs, Adorno and Benjamin are arguably the three greatest thinkers of the C20th. They used meticulous research and unsurpassed reasoning to figure out ways to undermine capitalist society by cultural means. Is it really so surprising if they succeeded?
They weren't the only ones thinking this way in the '20s: The leader of the Italian Communist Party had much the same plan, and he'd have succeeded too if it weren't for that pesky Mussolini. The F-School were repressed by Hitler, but allowed to ply their trade in the USA. One interesting question is why.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Sorry but what is this nonsense now? How the hell has capitalism been undermined? You say the F-School were allowed to ply their trade in the USA, and what has happened in the USA since that point? Over the last 40 years or so, it has followed a brutally capitalist path.
If this is what success for the F-School looks like, I shudder to think what failure would have looked like.
But remember: the F-School concentrated their struggle on the field of culture.
The culture that existed in capitalist societies when the F-School wrote has been largely eradicated. The social mores have been utterly transformed. In fact you would be hard pushed to point to any comparably rapid cultural revolution in human history.
Like I said, they weren't stupid.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Ah, we're back to the 'conspiracy' bit. The cultural changes of the post-war period (in capitalist countries, particularly the US) are down to the ideas these radical intellectuals.
Total rubbish.
And even if it were true, it does not undermine capitalist societies. Not in any way.
Total rubbish.
And even if it were true, it does not undermine capitalist societies. Not in any way.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Really, you're no more coherent than Jimmy Perrin.
Communists, Maoists, Trotskyists, neo-Trotskyists, crypto-Trotskyists, union leaders, Communist union leaders, atheists, agnostics, long-haired weirdos, short-haired weirdos, vandals, hooligans, football supporters, namby-pamby probation officers, rapists, papists, papist rapists, foreign surgeons - headshrinkers, who ought to be locked up, Wedgwood Benn, keg bitter, punk rock, glue- sniffers, 'Play For Today', squatters, Clive Jenkins, Roy Jenkins, Up Jenkins, up everybody's, Chinese restaurants - why do you think Windsor Castle is ringed with Chinese restaurants?
Communists, Maoists, Trotskyists, neo-Trotskyists, crypto-Trotskyists, union leaders, Communist union leaders, atheists, agnostics, long-haired weirdos, short-haired weirdos, vandals, hooligans, football supporters, namby-pamby probation officers, rapists, papists, papist rapists, foreign surgeons - headshrinkers, who ought to be locked up, Wedgwood Benn, keg bitter, punk rock, glue- sniffers, 'Play For Today', squatters, Clive Jenkins, Roy Jenkins, Up Jenkins, up everybody's, Chinese restaurants - why do you think Windsor Castle is ringed with Chinese restaurants?
andysays
Love and solidarity
And what's the answer those far right critics you admire so much suggest?
I wouldn't be anything to do with an international Jewish conspiracy, would it?
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Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
You all realise that this has become yet another thread that's all about Dwyer bollocks? Fuck sake, can you all stop encouraging the pillock please.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
I've just shoved him on ignore. It's not worth my time or effort.
No-one's saying that. But their ideas definitely had a big influence on the cultural revolution: look at Marcuse in '60s California. And they're much more influential today. The ideas you have in college influence your whole life, and people who go to college end up in powerful positions.
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Starry Wisdom
Shite snide trolling
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What powerful position are you in?
petee
no gods, no malarkey
I didn't know that page existed - thanks.
PTK
Paul Kegan
There was a Conservative MP in the 1970s who claimed that Chinese restaurants were used by the government of China to spy on British people. The waiters reported any secrets they overheard, it was claimed.
By the way, there actually were a couple of private armies created by ex-army officers in the 1970s, and this is a commentary on that.
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
PTK
Paul Kegan
"In mid-1970s, Stirling became increasingly worried that an "undemocratic event" would occur and decided to organise a private army to overthrow the government. He created an organisation called Great Britain 75 and recruited members from the aristocratic clubs in Mayfair; these were mainly ex-military men, and often former SAS members."
David Stirling - Wikipedia
"By August 1974, Walker had joined the anti-Communist Unison group (later renamed to Civil Assistance), which claimed that it would supply volunteers in the event of a general strike. Walker claimed it had at least 100,000 members, which led Defence Secretary Roy Mason to interrupt his holiday by condemning this "near fascist groundswell.""
Walter Walker (British Army officer) - Wikipedia
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
"In mid-1970s, Stirling became increasingly worried that an "undemocratic event" would occur and decided to organise a private army to overthrow the government. He created an organisation called Great Britain 75 and recruited members from the aristocratic clubs in Mayfair; these were mainly ex-military men, and often former SAS members."
David Stirling - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
"By August 1974, Walker had joined the anti-Communist Unison group (later renamed to Civil Assistance), which claimed that it would supply volunteers in the event of a general strike. Walker claimed it had at least 100,000 members, which led Defence Secretary Roy Mason to interrupt his holiday by condemning this "near fascist groundswell.""
Walter Walker (British Army officer) - Wikipedia
That was 50 years ago and 50 years ago is not really now. As far as I'm aware the UDF, LVF, IRA, and INLA are not particularly active these days either.
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Starry Wisdom
oh very droll. but i don't see what the champion campanologist has to do with the subject.
Pickers you've driven me to Google at 6am, I need a cup of tea.
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