Finsbury Park Terror Attack

[Smokeandsteam]

Well no, and I would really like to think that it isn't. It is largely just my fear that this is what this sort of incident will cause.

Why 'well no' - when your post said the opposite?

 

[frogwoman]

I'm just worried about terrorists/nutters (of whatever idealogical flavour) trying to kill me as im going about my business ffs. like this and the Grenfell tower really makes me fear for the future, I know that wasn't terrorism but it was basically an act of class war in some way.

 

[The39thStep]

So this picture presumably is in response to a Muslim attack on non muslims. Presumably after todays attack, there will be similar displays from non muslims to muslims. This is all good and encouraging.

But there were rumblings straight after this attack that the police didn't respond as quickly as they did for London Bridge, complaints that the media aren't covering it with the same fury. Muslims feel like they aren't being treated the same as non muslims in this country.

Whether they are or not is a completely different matter. What matters is the ammunition that the extreme elements can use to build up their rhetoric to sow further division.

Which Muslims ? You are speaking on behalf of very diverse communities just by reading bits of social media

 

[Florkleshnort]

that's like asking will ISIS terrorist attacks lead people to become terrorists like this guy? Kind of tasteless don't you think?

It is. Violence tends to breed violence.

I don't quite understand why you think it is tasteless?

 

[The39thStep]

Well no, and I would really like to think that it isn't. It is largely just my fear that this is what this sort of incident will cause.

Can you say that it definitely isn't the case? Has the actions of this person caused muslims to feel more welcome in Britain than before?

Seeing as I have only spoken to two mates who are Muslim today and after getting this incident out if the way it was to talk about football and a mutual friend I am not in a position to speak on behalf of all Muslims .

 

[Florkleshnort]

Why 'well no' - when your post said the opposite?

I'm not seriously suggesting that this absolutely is the case, I'm just suggesting that it increases the likelihood that it could be the case..

 

[Florkleshnort]

Which Muslims ? You are speaking on behalf of very diverse communities just by reading bits of social media

Those that are already feeling marginalised in British society.

 

[The39thStep]

Those that are already feeling marginalised in British society.

Instead of posting on here why not get out and find some ?

 

[frogwoman]

It is. Violence tends to breed violence.

I don't quite understand why you think it is tasteless?

because people have just died and you're saying that this is going to make people who could have been the victims support isis or feel 'less british' as a result.

 

[likesfish]

Angry failed at life want to take some people with you become a jihadist now white people can play too.

These are the sort of people who in the states would go on a shooting spree in the states.
If brown they can claim to be a jihadist.
If not they can claim to be acting in revenge.
The rise of the murderous loner

 

[Pickman's model]

Angry failed at life want to take some people with you become a jihadist now white people can play too.

These are the sort of people who in the states would go on a shooting spree in the states.
If brown they can claim to be a jihadist.
If not they can claim to be acting in revenge.
The rise of the murderous loner

We've had our own shooting sprees, e.g. michael ryan

 

[likesfish]

We've had our own shooting sprees, e.g. michael ryan

You now can't easily get a rifle or multiple shot shotgun so that's not an option fortunately

 

[Corax]

You now can't easily get a rifle or multiple shot shotgun so that's not an option fortunately

David Copeland didn't need them.

 

[CRI]

We've had our own shooting sprees, e.g. michael ryan

Not as many as in the US, and not as recent. Derrick Bird in Carlisle was 2010. Dunblane was 21 years ago. Hungerford was 30 years ago.

 

[Florkleshnort]

Instead of posting on here why not get out and find some ?

How would you suggest I go about that, and what would you suggest I do when I do find some? I am seriously open to suggestions.

I spent most of my childhood in Pakistan, and came here when I was 14. In school here I was pretty ostracized, but I really don't know what anyone could have done to help my situation. If some 40 something dude just came to me and said "I accept you", I would have just wondered what drugs he had been taking.. How can you change a bunch of middle class teenagers who thrive on a homogenized culture to become accepting of differences? The peer pressure at that age is intense.

 

[Florkleshnort]

because people have just died and you're saying that this is going to make people who could have been the victims support isis or feel 'less british' as a result.

That's a fair point, sorry for any offence I have caused.

 

[frogwoman]

That's a fair point, sorry for any offence I have caused.

no problem. i think i might have misunderstood you initially, i thought you were making some sort of anti-muslim comment.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

I'm not seriously suggesting that this absolutely is the case, I'm just suggesting that it increases the likelihood that it could be the case..

You did say that. Read your post at #139

 

[Florkleshnort]

You did say that. Read your post at #139

You are right. I fucked up. Sorry. I struggle to deal with the inflections of purely written communication.

 

[Florkleshnort]

no problem. i think i might have misunderstood you initially, i thought you were making some sort of anti-muslim comment.

No, just human nature in general..

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

I'm just worried about terrorists/nutters (of whatever idealogical flavour) trying to kill me as im going about my business ffs. like this and the Grenfell tower really makes me fear for the future, I know that wasn't terrorism but it was basically an act of class war in some way.

Statistically it's still a very safe country in those regards, it's the seeming direction of travel that is worrying.

 

[Pickman's model]

Not as many as in the US, and not as recent. Derrick Bird in Carlisle was 2010. Dunblane was 21 years ago. Hungerford was 30 years ago.

Yes, I know.

 

[frogwoman]

i just saw a tweet naming the alleged attacker, i don't want to repost it here though. Apparently an EDL member.

 

[Pickman's model]

No, just human nature in general..

No such thing as a universal human nature

 

[Pickman's model]

Not as many as in the US, and not as recent. Derrick Bird in Carlisle was 2010. Dunblane was 21 years ago. Hungerford was 30 years ago.

Poor auld moaty doesn't even get a mention

 

[Ranbay]

Can I be the first to stand up and condemn this attack as White Welsh man.

No doubt the White Welsh community leaders will be along also to condemn this horrible attack.

 

[cupid_stunt]

i just saw a tweet naming the alleged attacker, i don't want to repost it here though. Apparently an EDL member.

Are you referring to Sam Hyde?

If so, that's the American comedian that has been blamed for pervious terrorist attacks by internet trolls.

 

[Pickman's model]

Can I be the first to stand up and condemn this attack as White Welsh man.

No doubt the White Welsh community leaders will be along also to condemn this horrible attack.

Welsh people will have to do more to prevent and condemn this sort of thing, they've been silent on attacks emanating from Wales for many years now

 

[frogwoman]

Are you referring to Sam Hyde?

If so, that's the American comedian that has been blamed for pervious terrorist attacks by internet trolls.

no (edited)

 

[eoin_k]

Welsh people will have to do more to prevent and condemn this sort of thing, they've been silent on attacks emanating from Wales for many years now

They sheltered notorious hate preacher Nick Griffin in their midst for years.