Finsbury Park Terror Attack

[Pac man]

Anyone watch the video to Tommy Stephen Yaxley Robison Lennon? he looks so smug that this has happened....

for years he's been waiting for this, and saying that it's not long before someone will do something.

Fucking CUNT

Why isnt this Robinson character behind bars, a quick look on his twitter page and its obvious hes inciting religious and racial hatred along with thousands of other idiots on social media, its like the authorities dont care..

 

[albionism]

""Muslims feel less British, more Islamic (in an Islamic State kind of way).""
Do they?

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[Pickman's model]

Do they?

 

[Corax]

Islamists and far right fascists have more in common than either would like to admit. One of things that they have in common is that both consciously recruit amongst anomic youth and recognise that their state/condition makes them ideal for these type of indiscriminate murder jobs.

I wrote about exactly that in my recent rant about Paxman and Hopkins.

I've also learned a new word today. "Anomic" - useful.

 

[frogwoman]

I didn't say "young" myself, I don't think. If I did, I didn't mean to. Nor do I intend to propose any class profile.

For example, the people involved in the Glasgow Airport attack were qualified doctors.

sure - it's just that sometimes you get the impression these terrorists (jihadist and far right) are just 'disturbed' and just latch on to any old thing as a way to justify their actions, but in a lot of cases they obviously seriously believe in it as well ...

 

[Corax]

Why isnt this Robinson character behind bars, a quick look on his twitter page and its obvious hes inciting religious and racial hatred along with thousands of other idiots on social media, its like the authorities dont care..

He's pretty astute about staying just the legal side of the line.

Unpleasant as he is, he ain't thick. It would be unwise to dismiss him as such.

 

[YouSir]

He's pretty astute about staying just the legal side of the line.

Unpleasant as he is, he ain't thick. It would be unwise to dismiss him as such.

Be honest, he is quite thick. Wasn't it him that the EDL turned on when he started disappearing their money? Attacked at his own rallies etc.

 

[danny la rouge]

sure - it's just that sometimes you get the impression these terrorists (jihadist and far right) are just 'disturbed' and just latch on to any old thing as a way to justify their actions, but in a lot of cases they obviously seriously believe in it as well ...

Yup. That's why I was saying earlier that "mentally ill" is not an accurate analysis. I'm sorry if I haven't been clear enough.

The roots of this are social. They're about how we've buggered up society and how, in the mess left behind, people then construct identity.

None of this is about mental ill health. And none of it divests the perpetrators of individual responsibility.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Why isnt this Robinson character behind bars,

Because he's white.

 

[frogwoman]

National Action was proscribed last year as a terror group wasn't it?

 

[Corax]

Be honest, he is quite thick. Wasn't it him that the EDL turned on when he started disappearing their money? Attacked at his own rallies etc.

How does a lack of morals and financial embezzlement equal thick?

People on all sides of debates appear far too quick to decide anyone who disagrees with them is stupid. It's not helpful.

 

[frogwoman]

Yup. That's why I was saying earlier that "mentally ill" is not an accurate analysis. I'm sorry if I haven't been clear enough.

The roots of this are social. They're about how we've buggered up society and how, in the mess left behind, people then construct identity.

None of this is about mental ill health. And none of it divests the perpetrators of individual responsibility.

sorry, yeah, think I misunderstood you.

 

[YouSir]

How does a lack of morals and financial embezzlement equal thick?

People on all sides of debates appear far too quick to decide anyone who disagrees with them is stupid. It's not helpful.

I wasn't saying the immorality made him thick, I'm saying that getting caught, breaking up and being turned on by your own cash cow movement even as it slips into irrelevance is thick. As were all his actions and mainstream media appearances when he was at the vanguard of it, even Nick Griffin was more adept at playing the role of mini-Fuhrer.

Nor am I saying people who disagree with me are thick, I'm saying he is. Katie Hopkins is far more savvy about knowing where her limits lie, although even she's been losing work recently.

 

[Pickman's model]

National Action was proscribed last year as a terror group wasn't it?

yes, for all the good it does.

 

[frogwoman]

yes, for all the good it does.

Was there ever anything followed up about Thomas Mair's connections with extremist far-right groups? Like was anyone else ever arrested in connection with what he did?

 

[Pickman's model]

even Nick Griffin was more adept at playing the role of mini-Fuhrer.

nick griffin a rather more significant figure in the british radical right / fascist movement over the past 30 years than yaxley-lennon. so much in british fascism now springs from griffin and the bnp, groups like the edl, groups like britain first...

 

[Corax]

National Action was proscribed last year as a terror group wasn't it?

Apparently so.

Exclusive: Former members of banned terror group meet at far-right training camp

 

[8den]

Was there ever anything followed up about Thomas Mair's connections with extremist far-right groups? Like was anyone else ever arrested in connection with what he did?

Yeah they raided the Mail's office and Dacres' behind bars, you must have missed it

 

[Smokeandsteam]

The roots of this are social. They're about how we've buggered up society and how, in the mess left behind, people then construct identity.

I think frogwoman that this is helpful in understanding the point. I deliberately used the word anomic becuase it is entirely possible to develop totally alienated feelings from society whatever your age or social class. Memory and identity and how you perceive the world and your place in it are important here. If you read ethnographic research about EDL/far right recruits it's not just, or in some cases even, economic injustices that drive the feelings and motivations of their supporters. It's the same with Islamists - some have extremely wealthy backgrounds and have thrown their lot in with fascism despite perceived material wealth.

 

[Florkleshnort]

""Muslims feel less British, more Islamic (in an Islamic State kind of way).""
Do they?

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So this picture presumably is in response to a Muslim attack on non muslims. Presumably after todays attack, there will be similar displays from non muslims to muslims. This is all good and encouraging.

But there were rumblings straight after this attack that the police didn't respond as quickly as they did for London Bridge, complaints that the media aren't covering it with the same fury. Muslims feel like they aren't being treated the same as non muslims in this country.

Whether they are or not is a completely different matter. What matters is the ammunition that the extreme elements can use to build up their rhetoric to sow further division.

 

[Dogsauce]

Harder to plead insanity when there's obviously been some planning involved, this doesn't look like a spontaneous act. Travelling all that way for several hours, specifically selecting a target.

 

[Florkleshnort]

I should clarify that I am not talking about the majority of muslims and non-muslims. Most people just want to get on with their lives. It's just the fringe elements where stuff like this has a big impact, but it is also out of the fringe elements that these attacks come from.

 

[The39thStep]

Muslims feel less British, more Islamic (in an Islamic State kind of way).

are you seriously suggesting this is the case?

 

[frogwoman]

Muslims feel less British, more Islamic (in an Islamic State kind of way).

Not a sensible thing to say given what's just happened

 

[The39thStep]

Harder to plead insanity when there's obviously been some planning involved, this doesn't look like a spontaneous act. Travelling all that way for several hours, specifically selecting a target.

What makes you think he would want to plead insanity?

 

[Corax]

So this picture presumably is in response to a Muslim attack on non muslims. Presumably after todays attack, there will be similar displays from non muslims to muslims. This is all good and encouraging.

But there were rumblings straight after this attack that the police didn't respond as quickly as they did for London Bridge, complaints that the media aren't covering it with the same fury. Muslims feel like they aren't being treated the same as non muslims in this country.

Whether they are or not is a completely different matter. What matters is the ammunition that the extreme elements can use to build up their rhetoric to sow further division.

The police response time seems very fuzzy atm. Police saying they "responded" in under a minute (I'm guessing that was either answering the 999 call or dispatching) and classified it as a terror attack in eight. Witnesses' claims I've heard have ranged from twenty minutes to an hour. I suspect that in instances like this then adrenaline - or something - may screw with people's perceptions of time.

 

[The39thStep]

Why isnt this Robinson character behind bars, a quick look on his twitter page and its obvious hes inciting religious and racial hatred along with thousands of other idiots on social media, its like the authorities dont care..

And what would you do with the thousands of others?

 

[Florkleshnort]

are you seriously suggesting this is the case?

Well no, and I would really like to think that it isn't. It is largely just my fear that this is what this sort of incident will cause.

Can you say that it definitely isn't the case? Has the actions of this person caused muslims to feel more welcome in Britain than before?

 

[Treacle Toes]

Fucking hell...all those questions do is make this about you and whether or not you are justified in being more scared of Muslim people turning into jihadis as a result of this attack.

 

[frogwoman]

Well no, and I would really like to think that it isn't. It is largely just my fear that this is what this sort of incident will cause.

Can you say that it definitely isn't the case? Has the actions of this person caused muslims to feel more welcome in Britain than before?

that's like asking will ISIS terrorist attacks lead people to become terrorists like this guy? Kind of tasteless don't you think?