Finsbury Park Terror Attack

[frogwoman]

They were rounded up because of previous terror links, as you say. Most of those on the far-right might be twats, but they have no terror links.

no terror links that we know of I guess.

 

[bmd]

fucking hell



'reduce' these sort of attacks

It was the bit about applying for extra security that raised my brows. We used to call that The Police.

 

[frogwoman]

It was the bit about applying for extra security that raised my brows. We used to call that The Police.

'reduce' these sort of attacks, as opposed to preventing them? do we all have to get used to the possibility some right wing (in this case) nutter might decide to mow us down at some time, but it's ok because they're trying to 'reduce' it.

 

[RD2003]

'reduce' these sort of attacks, as opposed to preventing them? do we all have to get used to the possibility some right wing (in this case) nutter might decide to mow us down at some time, but it's ok because they're trying to 'reduce' it.

To be fair, there's little can be done other than attempts at reduction. Impossible to micromanage the world.

 

[bmd]

'reduce' these sort of attacks, as opposed to preventing them? do we all have to get used to the possibility some right wing (in this case) nutter might decide to mow us down at some time.

Yeah, it's depressing to think that these attacks are becoming a part of our lives. I hold onto the thought that peaceful people have not been changed by these horrific events. I hugely admire the people surrounding this attacker last night for their restraint. I would not have been so forgiving.

 

[8den]

The issue is hate. Whether it's far right hate, religious fundamentalism, hate through fear, it's people hating other people and either directly or indirectly inspiring people to commit these acts.

Of course some mentally ill people are drawn to this, but to blame mental illness is also unfair and discriminatory, there are 100,000s of people with moderate & serious mental health issues who never do this.

 

[Corax]

He was calling Muslim citizens "Enemy combatants" in one video I saw.
Lots of totally unacceptable incidents at that mosque in the past , thankfully cleaned up now, but using the mosques history as an excuse is as unconvincing and as unforgivable as using foreign policy as an excuse .

Given much of his recent focus, I hope that Didsbury mosque are exercising an extreme degree of caution right now.

I'll not take S Y-L's word for it without checking myself, but his allegations made it sound like Finsbury Park used to be.

 

[Corax]

The one thing that keeps coming unbidden to mind because of these attacks - ISIS are winning.

Maybe that's an overreaction, or flawed thinking in some other way, but it's just what keeps popping into my thoughts.

 

[RD2003]

The one thing that keeps coming unbidden to mind because of these attacks - ISIS are winning.

Maybe that's an overreaction, or flawed thinking in some other way, but it's just what keeps popping into my thoughts.

If ISIS was winning, this kind of thing would be happening all over the country every day.

As it is, it's what happens as societies fragment through causes largely beyond the control of anybody.

 

[frogwoman]

blaming the mosque for this attack is the same as ISIS blaming the west for its terrorist attacks though ...

 

[Corax]

blaming the mosque for this attack is the same as ISIS blaming the west for its terrorist attacks though ...

Who's done that?

 

[Treacle Toes]

blaming the mosque for this attack is the same as ISIS blaming the west for its terrorist attacks though ...

Yep...good ol' Tommy was spouting this line today already.

 

[Corax]

Katie Hopkins has stated her intent to go to the Mosque and speak to victims. She will ask to be allowed in "to speak to the men"

That'll go well. And help matters greatly, I'm sure.

Urgh.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

It'd be more accurate to say they're socially ill.

Islamists and far right fascists have more in common than either would like to admit. One of things that they have in common is that both consciously recruit amongst anomic youth and recognise that their state/condition makes them ideal for these type of indiscriminate murder jobs.

 

[Pickman's model]

The one thing that keeps coming unbidden to mind because of these attacks - ISIS are winning.

Maybe that's an overreaction, or flawed thinking in some other way, but it's just what keeps popping into my thoughts.

how are isis winning?

 

[frogwoman]

Who's done that?

not saying anyone has, but Finsbury park mosque's past is kind of irrelevant here ...

 

[danny la rouge]

Islamists and far right fascists have more in common than either would like to admit. One of things that they have in common is that both consciously recruit amongst anomic youth and recognise that their state/condition makes them ideal for these type of indiscriminate murder jobs.

And what we must do is look at how they became anomic, and why they were abandoned to the far right of either persuasion as the way for them to build identity and authenticity.

 

[Ranbay]

Anyone watch the video to Tommy Stephen Yaxley Robison Lennon? he looks so smug that this has happened....

for years he's been waiting for this, and saying that it's not long before someone will do something.

Fucking CUNT

 

[Florkleshnort]

how are isis winning?

Muslims feel less British, more Islamic (in an Islamic State kind of way).

 

[frogwoman]

And what we must do is look at how they became anomic, and why they were abandoned to the far right of either persuasion as the way for them to build identity and authenticity.

a lot of these people (im not saying all) are quite far from being alienated young people though? I mean one of the London bombers was a primary school teacher. And the guy who's done this terrorist attack is 48, so not exactly young?

im sure that that fits the description of what some of these terrorists are like but I also think there's a degree of organisation that goes into these things, and also someone has to have a pretty strong belief in the ideology leading them to do this shit as well ..

 

[frogwoman]

Anyone watch the video to Tommy Stephen Yaxley Robison Lennon? he looks so smug that this has happened....

for years he's been waiting for this, and saying that it's not long before someone will do something.

Fucking CUNT

hopefully he wont be smug for long - ie if it emerges that his speeches helped this guy get radicalised

 

[Corax]

not saying anyone has, but Finsbury park mosque's past is kind of irrelevant here ...

Cool. I agree, FWIW.

My comment about Didsbury was more putting myself in the shoes (left at the door though lol) of a worshipper there. I'd be particularly worried about an attack.

 

[Pickman's model]

Muslims feel less British, more Islamic (in an Islamic State kind of way).

not persuaded

 

[Corax]

how are isis winning?

Creating division, and fear.

 

[Corax]

Muslims feel less British, more Islamic (in an Islamic State kind of way).

That's, erm... a rather sweeping generalisation.

 

[danny la rouge]

a lot of these people (im not saying all) are quite far from being alienated young people though? I mean one of the London bombers was a primary school teacher. And the guy who's done this terrorist attack is 48, so not exactly young?

im sure that that fits the description of what some of these terrorists are like but I also think there's a degree of organisation that goes into these things, and also someone has to have a pretty strong belief in the ideology leading them to do this shit as well ..

I didn't say "young" myself, I don't think. If I did, I didn't mean to. Nor do I intend to propose any class profile.

For example, the people involved in the Glasgow Airport attack were qualified doctors.

 

[Pickman's model]

not saying anyone has, but Finsbury park mosque's past is kind of irrelevant here ...

i think it is relevant in terms of why what happened happened, why it was targeted: but it does not justify what happened.

 

[Cid]

Muslims feel less British, more Islamic (in an Islamic State kind of way).

Did you ask them all then?

 

[Pickman's model]

Creating division, and fear.

the tory party creates division and fear on a far greater scale than isis

 

[Corax]

i think it is relevant in terms of why what happened happened, why it was targeted: but it does not justify what happened.

Neatly put.