F1 2019
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1%er
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What's left to look at in Abu Dhabi
The only thing I can see is third place in the drivers championship, I guess there could be a change in the constructors championship if Racing Point had a double DNF and Alfa Romeo managed something exceptional or Renault had a nightmare weekend and Toro Rosso did a Brazil again, but I think for the most part the constructors id over and done with.
The drivers on the other hand is very much open for Third and forth place, if we look at the finishing positions over the whole season. Verstappen is currently in 3rd place (260 points), 11 points ahead of Leclerc (49 points). The top 5 places look like this;
Driver Points Wins
Lewis Hamilton 387 10
Valtteri Bottas 314 4
Max Verstappen 260 3
Charles Leclerc 249 2
Sebastian Vettel 230 1
Verstappen would only really be in trouble if either he retires from the race himself or if Leclerc wins the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix. If Verstappen does indeed not finish the race, fourth place would be enough for Leclerc as he'd receive 12 points, giving him the edge by a single point. In the highly likely scenario that Verstappen finishes within the top six, Leclerc simply needs to win and keep his Dutch rival off the podium, something which seems tough with Verstappen's recent form.
If Verstappen finished first or second, it's over no matter what. Should Leclerc win and take the fastest lap, however, a P3 or lower from Max would give Leclerc the edge. All a bit complex, so here is a table with all the scenario's in which Leclerc would get third place in the championship.
P1 + FL (26 pts)
P3 (15 pts) Verstappen
Leclerc P1 (25 pts) P4 (12 pts) Verstappen
Leclerc P2 (18 pts) P7 (6 pts) Verstappen
Leclerc P3 + FL (16 pts) P8 (4 pts) Verstappen
Leclerc P3 (15 pts) P9 (2 pts) Verstappen
Leclerc P4 + FL (13 pts) P10 (1 pt) Verstappen
Leclerc P4 (12 pts) P11 (0 pts) Verstappen
"Fuelgate" The story so far
The FIA has announced all cars will be fitted with a second sensor in 2020 as efforts to stop engine suppliers breaching fuel flow rules. This comes after Formula 1's governing body reportedly confiscated the fuel system from a works Ferrari, a customer team (Alfa Romeo) and Red Bull to compare with the Honda design to conduct investigations after the Brazilian Grand Prix.
The story began with Red Bull asking for clarification on three theories regarding the engines, which they believed the Italian team could be using to gain a straight-line speed advantage. Since then, the FIA has addressed two of them by issuing one technical directive aimed at ensuring engine manufacturers are not adding devices or systems which speed up the fuel flow rate after the current measurement is made.
Then, two weeks later, they made another directive to stop any use of flammable liquid to offer a small boost in performance by mixing with the fuel. Now, this latest decision to add a second sensor for next year has been made although it's not known if it is as a result of the investigations into the three fuel systems that were taken but the timing would seem sensical.
Since the first technical directive was issued Ferrari's pace has varied with single-lap pace still good but race pace less so, although Brazil was much stronger than Austin. Team boss Mattia Binotto has denied any link between the FIA's actions and the drop, suggesting a change in approach for higher downforce is to blame. And though the straight-line speed of the Ferrari was stronger at Interlagos, the advantage was much less than seen at earlier races.
Mercedes James Allison observed.“Probably the only thing that you could stand back from a distance and say is that it’s two races on the trot where it hasn’t been pole position for a Ferrari and they sort of had a reasonably comfortable margin, so it’s an interesting thing, but not anything you could draw any solid conclusions from”.
The only thing I can see is third place in the drivers championship, I guess there could be a change in the constructors championship if Racing Point had a double DNF and Alfa Romeo managed something exceptional or Renault had a nightmare weekend and Toro Rosso did a Brazil again, but I think for the most part the constructors id over and done with.
The drivers on the other hand is very much open for Third and forth place, if we look at the finishing positions over the whole season. Verstappen is currently in 3rd place (260 points), 11 points ahead of Leclerc (49 points). The top 5 places look like this;
Driver Points Wins
Lewis Hamilton 387 10
Valtteri Bottas 314 4
Max Verstappen 260 3
Charles Leclerc 249 2
Sebastian Vettel 230 1
Verstappen would only really be in trouble if either he retires from the race himself or if Leclerc wins the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix. If Verstappen does indeed not finish the race, fourth place would be enough for Leclerc as he'd receive 12 points, giving him the edge by a single point. In the highly likely scenario that Verstappen finishes within the top six, Leclerc simply needs to win and keep his Dutch rival off the podium, something which seems tough with Verstappen's recent form.
If Verstappen finished first or second, it's over no matter what. Should Leclerc win and take the fastest lap, however, a P3 or lower from Max would give Leclerc the edge. All a bit complex, so here is a table with all the scenario's in which Leclerc would get third place in the championship.
P1 + FL (26 pts)
P3 (15 pts) Verstappen
Leclerc P1 (25 pts) P4 (12 pts) Verstappen
Leclerc P2 (18 pts) P7 (6 pts) Verstappen
Leclerc P3 + FL (16 pts) P8 (4 pts) Verstappen
Leclerc P3 (15 pts) P9 (2 pts) Verstappen
Leclerc P4 + FL (13 pts) P10 (1 pt) Verstappen
Leclerc P4 (12 pts) P11 (0 pts) Verstappen
"Fuelgate" The story so far
The FIA has announced all cars will be fitted with a second sensor in 2020 as efforts to stop engine suppliers breaching fuel flow rules. This comes after Formula 1's governing body reportedly confiscated the fuel system from a works Ferrari, a customer team (Alfa Romeo) and Red Bull to compare with the Honda design to conduct investigations after the Brazilian Grand Prix.
The story began with Red Bull asking for clarification on three theories regarding the engines, which they believed the Italian team could be using to gain a straight-line speed advantage. Since then, the FIA has addressed two of them by issuing one technical directive aimed at ensuring engine manufacturers are not adding devices or systems which speed up the fuel flow rate after the current measurement is made.
Then, two weeks later, they made another directive to stop any use of flammable liquid to offer a small boost in performance by mixing with the fuel. Now, this latest decision to add a second sensor for next year has been made although it's not known if it is as a result of the investigations into the three fuel systems that were taken but the timing would seem sensical.
Since the first technical directive was issued Ferrari's pace has varied with single-lap pace still good but race pace less so, although Brazil was much stronger than Austin. Team boss Mattia Binotto has denied any link between the FIA's actions and the drop, suggesting a change in approach for higher downforce is to blame. And though the straight-line speed of the Ferrari was stronger at Interlagos, the advantage was much less than seen at earlier races.
Mercedes James Allison observed.“Probably the only thing that you could stand back from a distance and say is that it’s two races on the trot where it hasn’t been pole position for a Ferrari and they sort of had a reasonably comfortable margin, so it’s an interesting thing, but not anything you could draw any solid conclusions from”.
Limejuice
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It's the 2019 season finale. The curtain drops. The glass is drained. The bottom is wiped.
The big prizes are already won, but it's the last dose of vroom until Santa is a distant memory.
The UK times are jolly convivial, at least in Europe:
Fri 29 Nov
FP1 - 09:00
FP2 - 13:00
Sat 30 Nov
FP3 - 10.00
Qual - 13:00
Sun 1 Dec
Race - 13:10
I propose a festive fin-de-saison F1 drinking game - choice of drink at the player's discretion:
Every pit-stop - take a drink (for every tyre changed)
Every virtual safety car - two drinks
Every safety car - finish the glass
Every stewards' investigation - take two drinks
Every stewards' penalty - take three drinks
Every time the director cuts to a celeb - open a new bottle
The big prizes are already won, but it's the last dose of vroom until Santa is a distant memory.
The UK times are jolly convivial, at least in Europe:
Fri 29 Nov
FP1 - 09:00
FP2 - 13:00
Sat 30 Nov
FP3 - 10.00
Qual - 13:00
Sun 1 Dec
Race - 13:10
I propose a festive fin-de-saison F1 drinking game - choice of drink at the player's discretion:
Every pit-stop - take a drink (for every tyre changed)
Every virtual safety car - two drinks
Every safety car - finish the glass
Every stewards' investigation - take two drinks
Every stewards' penalty - take three drinks
Every time the director cuts to a celeb - open a new bottle
Limejuice
Well-Known Member
MrCurry
right after this urgent rest
That might get seriously expensive... do you have shares in Samsung?
I have shares in “F1 viewers against stupid pesky TV directors cutting away from the track action, seeking pointless crowd reaction shots”.
1%er
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If something can be "Nonsensical" then surely something can be “Sensical”, when I read it I thought, that's a strange word to use but its quicker to type than "that makes sense". Not really sure if it is in the English dictionary but I'd expect it to be“Sensical”
1%er
Well-Known Member
Bottas to start from the back of the grid
Valtteri Bottas is set for a long Sunday evening in Abu Dhabi, after his Mercedes team were forced to replace power unit elements on the Finn’s W10, meaning he’ll start from the back of the grid. Bottas suffered Mercedes’ first mechanical failure since Austria 2018 at the Brazilian Grand Prix last time out, his Mercedes experiencing a sudden rise in oil consumption before he was forced to pull off the track. Following on from that, ahead of the final race of the year at Yas Marina, Mercedes made the call to replace the Finn’s internal combustion engine, turbocharger and MGU-H.
The subsequent grid penalties from those changes will make it a tall order for Bottas to repeat his 2017 win at Abu Dhabi, with the Grand Prix never having been won from lower than fourth on the grid, while this year will now mark the first time since 2014 that Mercedes won’t lock out the front row at Abu Dhabi. Prior to this weekend, meanwhile, Bottas had been the only driver on the grid not to have been handed a grid penalty of some sort this year.
Not a great week for our Valtteri, I see from other news reports that he and his wife Emilia have ended their marrage. Too be honest I was surprised to read that as Emilia seems to be with him at every race. Its private but I thought I'd mention it just to please Limejuice as I know he loves to follow all the goings on and gossip with the WAGS
Constructors championship
I was a bit dismissive above about the constructors championship and how things could change, I'm not really bother who comes 5th, 6th 7th etc. But there are millions of Dollars at stake and some of you may be interested, so he is how things are looking for the last race.
The significance of the final constructors’ championship rankings is that each position makes a difference of around $5m in 2020 payments from the Formula 1 organisation, while the outcome also has obvious bragging rights, and it also determines the order in which the teams are arranged in terms of pit garages next season.
The current midfield scores are as follows:
5. Renault 91
6. Toro Rosso 83
7. Racing Point 67
8. Alfa Romeo 57
9. Haas 28
After its huge haul in Brazil Toro Rosso is just eight points behind Renault, and should there be a tie its two podium finishes would put the Italian team ahead. Toro Rosso has only outscored Renault 3 times this season and only on two of those occasions have they outscored them by more than the 8 points they need to overtake them.
Racing Point has to outscore Toro Rosso by 17 points or more in order to regain sixth place from STR. However, the Silverstone team’s highest race score this year was the 12-point haul achieved by Lance Stroll’s fourth place in Germany.
The Brazilian result put Alfa Romeo 29 points clear of Haas in eighth place, leaving it realistically if not mathematically safe. The Swiss outfit is now in striking distance of beating Racing Point to seventh, as the margin is just 10 points however, in 2019 it has bettered that target only in Brazil. The team lost crucial points when both drivers were penalised because of a breach of rules around driver aids at the German GP, and prior to Brazil it had scored only three points in the seven races after the summer break.
Nicholas Latifi will drive for Williams next season
As predicted above the Canadian Nicholas Latifi will drive for Williams next season, partnering lead driver George Russell, the team announced Thursday. Latifi, 24, earned his spot after impressing the team during his stint as reserve driver this year, Williams said. The Canadian, who replaces the departing Polish driver Roberto Kubica, is competing this season in Formula 2, a rung below F1, "winning multiple races" and ranked second in the drivers' championship, the team added. "I look forward to the journey ahead with the team, and I am excited to make my Formula One debut at the Australian Grand Prix in 2020," he said.
Claire Williams, deputy team chief, said Williams were impressed with his Formula Two achievements. "We look forward to him stepping up into this new role, as we look to fight our way back to the midfield," she said. The British team is bottom of the constructors' championship after a poor season. Lead driver Russell, 21, has failed to score a single point in 19 starts with only one race to go in Abu Dhabi this weekend.
Here is the full 2020 Formula 1 driver lineup.
Mercedes
Lewis Hamilton – #44
Valtteri Bottas – #77
Ferrari
Sebastian Vettel – #5
Charles Leclerc – #16
Red Bull Racing
Alexander Albon – #23
Max Verstappen – #33
McLaren
Lando Norris – #4
Carlos Sainz Jr. – #55
Renault
Nico Hulkenberg – #27
Esteban Ocon – #31
Alpha Tauri (Toro Rosso)
Pierre Gasly – #10
Daniil Kvyat – #26
Racing Point
Sergio Perez – #11
Lance Stroll – #18
Alfa Romeo Racing
Kimi Raikkonen – #7
Antonio Giovinazzi – #99
Haas
Romain Grosjean – #8
Kevin Magnussen – #20
Williams
George Russell – #63
Nicholas Latifi – #TBA
Valtteri Bottas is set for a long Sunday evening in Abu Dhabi, after his Mercedes team were forced to replace power unit elements on the Finn’s W10, meaning he’ll start from the back of the grid. Bottas suffered Mercedes’ first mechanical failure since Austria 2018 at the Brazilian Grand Prix last time out, his Mercedes experiencing a sudden rise in oil consumption before he was forced to pull off the track. Following on from that, ahead of the final race of the year at Yas Marina, Mercedes made the call to replace the Finn’s internal combustion engine, turbocharger and MGU-H.
The subsequent grid penalties from those changes will make it a tall order for Bottas to repeat his 2017 win at Abu Dhabi, with the Grand Prix never having been won from lower than fourth on the grid, while this year will now mark the first time since 2014 that Mercedes won’t lock out the front row at Abu Dhabi. Prior to this weekend, meanwhile, Bottas had been the only driver on the grid not to have been handed a grid penalty of some sort this year.
Not a great week for our Valtteri, I see from other news reports that he and his wife Emilia have ended their marrage. Too be honest I was surprised to read that as Emilia seems to be with him at every race. Its private but I thought I'd mention it just to please Limejuice as I know he loves to follow all the goings on and gossip with the WAGS
Constructors championship
I was a bit dismissive above about the constructors championship and how things could change, I'm not really bother who comes 5th, 6th 7th etc. But there are millions of Dollars at stake and some of you may be interested, so he is how things are looking for the last race.
The significance of the final constructors’ championship rankings is that each position makes a difference of around $5m in 2020 payments from the Formula 1 organisation, while the outcome also has obvious bragging rights, and it also determines the order in which the teams are arranged in terms of pit garages next season.
The current midfield scores are as follows:
5. Renault 91
6. Toro Rosso 83
7. Racing Point 67
8. Alfa Romeo 57
9. Haas 28
After its huge haul in Brazil Toro Rosso is just eight points behind Renault, and should there be a tie its two podium finishes would put the Italian team ahead. Toro Rosso has only outscored Renault 3 times this season and only on two of those occasions have they outscored them by more than the 8 points they need to overtake them.
Racing Point has to outscore Toro Rosso by 17 points or more in order to regain sixth place from STR. However, the Silverstone team’s highest race score this year was the 12-point haul achieved by Lance Stroll’s fourth place in Germany.
The Brazilian result put Alfa Romeo 29 points clear of Haas in eighth place, leaving it realistically if not mathematically safe. The Swiss outfit is now in striking distance of beating Racing Point to seventh, as the margin is just 10 points however, in 2019 it has bettered that target only in Brazil. The team lost crucial points when both drivers were penalised because of a breach of rules around driver aids at the German GP, and prior to Brazil it had scored only three points in the seven races after the summer break.
Nicholas Latifi will drive for Williams next season
As predicted above the Canadian Nicholas Latifi will drive for Williams next season, partnering lead driver George Russell, the team announced Thursday. Latifi, 24, earned his spot after impressing the team during his stint as reserve driver this year, Williams said. The Canadian, who replaces the departing Polish driver Roberto Kubica, is competing this season in Formula 2, a rung below F1, "winning multiple races" and ranked second in the drivers' championship, the team added. "I look forward to the journey ahead with the team, and I am excited to make my Formula One debut at the Australian Grand Prix in 2020," he said.
Claire Williams, deputy team chief, said Williams were impressed with his Formula Two achievements. "We look forward to him stepping up into this new role, as we look to fight our way back to the midfield," she said. The British team is bottom of the constructors' championship after a poor season. Lead driver Russell, 21, has failed to score a single point in 19 starts with only one race to go in Abu Dhabi this weekend.
Here is the full 2020 Formula 1 driver lineup.
Mercedes
Lewis Hamilton – #44
Valtteri Bottas – #77
Ferrari
Sebastian Vettel – #5
Charles Leclerc – #16
Red Bull Racing
Alexander Albon – #23
Max Verstappen – #33
McLaren
Lando Norris – #4
Carlos Sainz Jr. – #55
Renault
Nico Hulkenberg – #27
Esteban Ocon – #31
Alpha Tauri (Toro Rosso)
Pierre Gasly – #10
Daniil Kvyat – #26
Racing Point
Sergio Perez – #11
Lance Stroll – #18
Alfa Romeo Racing
Kimi Raikkonen – #7
Antonio Giovinazzi – #99
Haas
Romain Grosjean – #8
Kevin Magnussen – #20
Williams
George Russell – #63
Nicholas Latifi – #TBA
Limejuice
Well-Known Member
Not a great week for our Valtteri, I see from other news reports that he and his wife Emilia has ended. Too be honest I was surprised to read that as Emilia seems to be with him at every race. Its private but I thought I'd mention it just to please Limejuice as I know he loves to follow all the goings on and gossip with the WAGS
MrCurry
right after this urgent rest
Danny Ric will be disappointed to hear the news this way....!
Limejuice
Well-Known Member
There is indeed a word ' sensical'.If something can be "Nonsensical" then surely something can be “Sensical”, when I read it I thought, that's a strange word to use but its quicker to type than "that makes sense". Not really sure if it is in the English dictionary but I'd expect it to be
It means 'sensible'.
It's listed as 'rare' in the Shorter Oxford.
Limejuice
Well-Known Member
MrCurry
right after this urgent rest
If something can be "Nonsensical" then surely something can be “Sensical”, when I read it I thought, that's a strange word to use but its quicker to type than "that makes sense". Not really sure if it is in the English dictionary but I'd expect it to be
Maybe!
The things you learn on here! A candidate for @Pickman's model’s “words only used once on U75” thread perhaps. Well, it was until I repeated it I suppose.
MrCurry
right after this urgent rest
And the Hulk will be over the moon.
I’m looking forward to seeing how Ocon measures up against Ricciardo - could be a candidate for “best driver pair on the grid”. Shame they are likely to have a midfield car at best. And Latifi coming in at Williams will be one to watch. I would imagine George Russell will hope to move to a higher placed team in 2021 so will absolutely need to beat Latifi.
To be fair I think it was about 60% Bottas that
MrCurry
right after this urgent rest
I wouldn’t have said so, Bottas was the faster car and was fully alongside as they entered the corner. He’s entitled to expect that Grosjean is aware he’s there and will leave space - it is only practice after all.
It looked to me that Grosjean just didn’t see him, which after all is a common theme throughout many of Grosjean’s incidents.
It looked to me that Grosjean just didn’t see him, which after all is a common theme throughout many of Grosjean’s incidents.
I retract my earlier statement
MrCurry
right after this urgent rest
Well it looks like I should retract mine, as Bottas has been given the reprimand, so it shows how much I know (not much).
Glad we are both wrong
