F1 2019
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FIA issues another technical directive (aimed at Ferrari?)
F1’s governing body has issued another technical directive about grey areas in the engine rules. The development comes after Red Bull prompted the first technical directive about fuel flow, with many believing it ended Ferrari’s earlier huge power advantage. “Mercedes had researched in the area and we had the courage to make the official request to the FIA,” Dr Helmut Marko confirmed to Auto Bild this week.
But now, as the F1 circus prepares for action in Brazil, the FIA has issued a second technical directive. This time, it relates to the prohibition of combustible liquids from the intercooler, the air collector or the ERS system, according to news reports. The implication is that the FIA, prompted by Ferrari’s rivals, may suspect that it has discovered another secret of the Maranello team’s earlier advantage.
The German press have quoted a source as saying “In the next few weeks, there will be several more technical directives to exclude all possible theories.”
New 2020 fire-resistant clothing regulation
Formula 1 is going to be hit with a rule and regulation overhaul for the 2021 season. However, there's a small change coming the drivers' way for the 2020 F1 season. The FIA are going to ensure fire-resistant clothing meets stricter requirements. If a fire should occur and a driver ends up in a sea of flames, the clothing must offer optimum protection for at least twelve seconds. This includes the overall, as well as the gloves, the underwear and the shoes of a driver.
The new requirements also come with an advantage for the drivers, research and development of a new material has finally been completed so that drivers can finally use a new substance after waiting for 20 years. Not only is that material stronger and more fire-resistant, but it is also considerably lighter. In 2018, Formula E driver Lucas Di Grassi was fined 10,000 Euros and three penalty points for not wearing the correct fire-resistant underwear during an event.
No Toto in Brazil
Mercedes boss Toto Wolff will miss Sunday’s Brazilian Formula One Grand Prix, making it the first race he has not attended since 2013, now that his team has won both Formula One championships for an unprecedented sixth consecutive year. A Mercedes spokesperson said technical director James Allison will be the most senior team member at the track in the Austrian’s absence.
“With both championships secured, it gives me more time in Europe to focus on other open topics. It’s great to be able to do this and to know that the team will represent the three-pointed star in the best way possible both on and off the track. Despite this record-breaking achievement, I still feel a lot of hunger and desire for more achievements, there’s no sense of complacency, everybody is still determined to keep on improving … we have two races to go in the 2019 season and we want to end this season on a high” Wolff said in a team preview of the season’s penultimate race at Sao Paulo’s Interlagos track.
With both titles secure, and the top three positions in the constructors standings locked in, Mercedes, Ferrari and Red Bull will also be using the last two races to test ideas for next season.
F1’s governing body has issued another technical directive about grey areas in the engine rules. The development comes after Red Bull prompted the first technical directive about fuel flow, with many believing it ended Ferrari’s earlier huge power advantage. “Mercedes had researched in the area and we had the courage to make the official request to the FIA,” Dr Helmut Marko confirmed to Auto Bild this week.
But now, as the F1 circus prepares for action in Brazil, the FIA has issued a second technical directive. This time, it relates to the prohibition of combustible liquids from the intercooler, the air collector or the ERS system, according to news reports. The implication is that the FIA, prompted by Ferrari’s rivals, may suspect that it has discovered another secret of the Maranello team’s earlier advantage.
The German press have quoted a source as saying “In the next few weeks, there will be several more technical directives to exclude all possible theories.”
New 2020 fire-resistant clothing regulation
Formula 1 is going to be hit with a rule and regulation overhaul for the 2021 season. However, there's a small change coming the drivers' way for the 2020 F1 season. The FIA are going to ensure fire-resistant clothing meets stricter requirements. If a fire should occur and a driver ends up in a sea of flames, the clothing must offer optimum protection for at least twelve seconds. This includes the overall, as well as the gloves, the underwear and the shoes of a driver.
The new requirements also come with an advantage for the drivers, research and development of a new material has finally been completed so that drivers can finally use a new substance after waiting for 20 years. Not only is that material stronger and more fire-resistant, but it is also considerably lighter. In 2018, Formula E driver Lucas Di Grassi was fined 10,000 Euros and three penalty points for not wearing the correct fire-resistant underwear during an event.
No Toto in Brazil
Mercedes boss Toto Wolff will miss Sunday’s Brazilian Formula One Grand Prix, making it the first race he has not attended since 2013, now that his team has won both Formula One championships for an unprecedented sixth consecutive year. A Mercedes spokesperson said technical director James Allison will be the most senior team member at the track in the Austrian’s absence.
“With both championships secured, it gives me more time in Europe to focus on other open topics. It’s great to be able to do this and to know that the team will represent the three-pointed star in the best way possible both on and off the track. Despite this record-breaking achievement, I still feel a lot of hunger and desire for more achievements, there’s no sense of complacency, everybody is still determined to keep on improving … we have two races to go in the 2019 season and we want to end this season on a high” Wolff said in a team preview of the season’s penultimate race at Sao Paulo’s Interlagos track.
With both titles secure, and the top three positions in the constructors standings locked in, Mercedes, Ferrari and Red Bull will also be using the last two races to test ideas for next season.
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I'll help you with some on the understanding that over the closed season you spend 10 minutes linking your laptop to your smart TV
I want to work out the championship result permutations but am too lazy
You know you want to 
Drivers standings top 5
We know that position 1&2 are sorted, with Lewis and Valtteri. The next 3 positions are still up for grabs, we have Leclerc on 249 points Verstappen on 235 and Vettel on 230, so it really is still open for those positions. We know that Leclers has a ten place grid penalty for Sunday and we are still unsure if Ferrari will have the pace this weekend and in Abu Dhabi. So the fight for 3rd, 4th and 5th could go to the last race depending on the Brazil result. We know that the Honda engine is working well so Verstappen could still get 3rd place.
Looks like there could be rain for qualifying, so it may be a very different grid, so far it looks like no rain for the race, but this is Brazil and you can have 4 seasons in one day down south
Driver standing 6th 7th and 8th still wide open
We have Albon on 84 points followed by Sainz on 80 and Gasly with 77, one fluke result, a DNF, a puncture or problem in qualifying could make a massive difference. What with the 78% possibility of rain during qualifying nothing is predictable or out of the question.
From 9th too 12th is also still very open with just 5 points separating 9th, 10th and 11th place (and just 9 points between 12th place Hulkenberg and 9th place Ricciardo). Perez in 10th is just two points off 9th place Riccarido for Racing Point, while McLaren's Lando Norris is five points off Ricciardo.
Constructors championship
The top 5 places look set look set, Mercedes 695, Ferrari 479, Red Bull 366, McLaren 121 and Renault 83, I can't see any of these positions changing with-out an act of God, but there is still all to play for between Racing Point in 6th and Toro Rosso in 7th, there is just one point between them (65 points against 64 points). With millions of Dollars up for grabs in prize money between 6th and 7th place, both teams will be giving it all they've got.
Bragging rights up for grabs
Something that surprised me when looking at the 2019 statistics was pole positions
Charles Leclerc has most, 7 to date, followed by Valtteri Bottas with 5, so Bottas needs the last two poles to tie for 1st (there is a Pirelli Pole Position Award at stakes 
)Finally there is the DHL Fastest Lap Award still open, a tie is also still possible here as well. Lewis Hamilton leads with 5 fastest laps so far, followed by Charles Leclerc with 4 and Max Verstappen on three. If Verstappen takes the last two Fastest Laps, which is entirely possible it’ll be a tie, or could Leclerc overhaul Hamilton and win two awards?
Tease xI'll help you with some on the understanding that over the closed season you spend 10 minutes linking your laptop to your smart TV
MrCurry
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Looks like there could be rain for qualifying, so it may be a very different grid, so far it looks like no rain for the race, but this is Brazil and you can have 4 seasons in one day down south
Hulkenberg for pole in a wet quali!
Some kind of deja vu feeling to that.How the hell Hulk is out of a drive and Grosjean is signed up for next year, I do not know.
YupHulkenberg for pole in a wet quali!
How the hell Hulk is out of a drive and Grosjean is signed up for next year, I do not know.
Ocon too
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Strong rumor in Brazil paddock
A quite stunning rumour has emerged suggesting Penske is in talks to take over the Mercedes works team in Formula 1. Several sources are claimimg Roger Penske, who recently bought Indianapolis Motor Speedway and the IndyCar Series, could add the Brackley-based outfit to his portfolio. Mercedes has been the dominant force in F1 since 2014 winning a record six consecutive double championships thanks predominantly to mastering the new V6 hybrid engines which were introduced five years ago.
However, this very week current motorsport boss Toto Wolff has suggested their future participation in the sport is "not a given" particularly as they have "nothing more to prove". The timing of this rumour is also pretty coincidental as the Austrian is not present at this weekend's Brazilian Grand Prix, the first race he has missed since 2013. Adding further credence to the possibility, Mercedes are switching focus to electric vehicles with a new fleet of road cars being developed and a new entry in the Formula E series from Season 6, which begins on November 23.
The trigger for a sudden departure is the end of the current Concorde Agreement which binds the teams, FIA and F1's owners Liberty Media at the end of 2020. As part of the new Agreement, a massive regulations overhaul is to take place with new cars and the introduction of a $175m budget cap which will dramatically reduce the costs for manufacturers like Mercedes. However, such moves have been unpopular as their financial power is a key element in the top teams remaining at the front of the grid. The limit though is attracting interest from private entities and according to the report, Penske is only one of the parties considering a bid for the team which they claim is up for sale.
Another is the Mazepin family in Russia, who have been desperate to enter F1 for several years now having unsuccessfully bid for the Force India team in 2018. Much like the Stroll's, who eventually did buy what is now Racing Point, the Mazepin's have been supporting the racing career of their son Nikita, who races in F2. The silver lining is, according to reports Mercedes will not pull out of the sport completely and will remain an engine supplier, with that operation currently run out of Brixworth. At the moment, Racing Point, Williams and McLaren are currently signed to run their power units in 2021 and beyond.
Ferrari back with massive power
Despite two technical directives and a poor showing in Austin, Ferrari’s controversial engine is back on song in Brazil. According to reports, Red Bull-Honda is calculating its laptime loss to Ferrari on the straight at 7 tenths, with Mercedes lagging behind by even more (Interlagos is a short track so 7 tenths is a massive gap per-pal). “Obviously Ferrari is fast again this weekend, especially on the straights,” world champion Lewis Hamilton is quoted as saying.
But Max Verstappen, who in Austin accused Ferrari of “cheating”, said it is too early to say Ferrari has recovered. “I don’t know. We’ll see on Saturday. You can’t trust the laptimes on Friday too much,” he said. Verstappen’s Red Bull boss Christian Horner thinks there could actually be more FIA clarifications on engine legality in the near future. “A few things were clarified in Austin, and here we got more information. Maybe there will be even more over the weekend,” he said.
As for Ferrari, Sebastian Vettel said the Maranello team is simply continuing to push ahead. “It is sad how quickly people judge these days after one bad race,” said the German. “But that’s the way it is. The best way to handle it is to ignore it and do your own work”.
Interlagos 99% sure it will retain Brazilian GP
Brazilian Grand Prix promoter Tamas Rohonyi is '99%' confident the race will stay at Interlagos, despite a mooted switch to a new Rio track for the 2021 Formula 1 season. Sao Paulo's current contract runs out at the end of 2020 and the fate of the race after that date has not yet been decided. F1 chiefs have been in discussions with representatives from a new track in Rio about switching the country's race there, with Brazilian president Jair Bolsonaro supporting that project and declaring earlier this year that it was "99%" likely to happen.
But Rohonyi is sceptical about the Rio plan and said his confidence in keeping the race at Interlagos was "the same percentage that the president mentioned". He sees Interlagos as the only realistic option for a Brazilian GP. "Either F1 remains here or there will be no Brazilian GP," Rohonyi said "I make no comments about Rio de Janeiro that I do not know, but what I do know is that there is a land with trees and animals, and so far there remains a land with trees and animals. I think it is physically impossible for an international event to happen there in 2021. But there are people who don't agree with that. Rio became an option because of the president's support, and Bolsonaro had Chase Carey by his side when he said F1 was 99% back in Rio de Janeiro. Today he wouldn't say that".
Rio previously hosted the Brazilian GP in 1978 and from 1981-89 but the Jacarepagua track used for those events has been demolished. Rohonyi thinks Bolsonaro was misled when he said the new Rio Motorpark venue, which is planned to be built on army land, could be ready so soon. "He was badly advised as there was no reason to say that," he said. "For those who want to host an F1 GP in 2021, you would need to have the track ready in May of that year. It's late 2019, so you have 16 months for that".
Rohonyi expects a decision about the future of the Brazilian GP to happen early next year and he says he is seeking a long term deal that could run until 2030. "For us, it's a very good period of contract," he added. "It is increasingly difficult to work with short term contracts. Big companies do long-term planning. Heineken, for example, has its largest market is Brazil, and these guys do not work in terms of two or three years".
A story about how things work in Brazil
As I'm sure you will all know Interlagos did a pit upgrade over the last couple of years, providing more room for teams and adding a roof to the paddock club. When the F1 circus arrived last week someone noticed that there was no podium to present the trophy's to the winners. It appears that everyone forgot to build one, or did they just trouser the money in Brazilian style and look the other way, hoping no-one would notice?
Well it seems that someone managed to get hold of a few 6x2s and knock up a temporary platform sticking out above garage number 1, so at least there is now somewhere for the big-wigs to present the trophy's and the drivers to spray the champagne.
If you find this story hard to believe wait and see as I'm sure that someone like Ted will bring it up at some point over the weekend LOLOLOLO
A quite stunning rumour has emerged suggesting Penske is in talks to take over the Mercedes works team in Formula 1. Several sources are claimimg Roger Penske, who recently bought Indianapolis Motor Speedway and the IndyCar Series, could add the Brackley-based outfit to his portfolio. Mercedes has been the dominant force in F1 since 2014 winning a record six consecutive double championships thanks predominantly to mastering the new V6 hybrid engines which were introduced five years ago.
However, this very week current motorsport boss Toto Wolff has suggested their future participation in the sport is "not a given" particularly as they have "nothing more to prove". The timing of this rumour is also pretty coincidental as the Austrian is not present at this weekend's Brazilian Grand Prix, the first race he has missed since 2013. Adding further credence to the possibility, Mercedes are switching focus to electric vehicles with a new fleet of road cars being developed and a new entry in the Formula E series from Season 6, which begins on November 23.
The trigger for a sudden departure is the end of the current Concorde Agreement which binds the teams, FIA and F1's owners Liberty Media at the end of 2020. As part of the new Agreement, a massive regulations overhaul is to take place with new cars and the introduction of a $175m budget cap which will dramatically reduce the costs for manufacturers like Mercedes. However, such moves have been unpopular as their financial power is a key element in the top teams remaining at the front of the grid. The limit though is attracting interest from private entities and according to the report, Penske is only one of the parties considering a bid for the team which they claim is up for sale.
Another is the Mazepin family in Russia, who have been desperate to enter F1 for several years now having unsuccessfully bid for the Force India team in 2018. Much like the Stroll's, who eventually did buy what is now Racing Point, the Mazepin's have been supporting the racing career of their son Nikita, who races in F2. The silver lining is, according to reports Mercedes will not pull out of the sport completely and will remain an engine supplier, with that operation currently run out of Brixworth. At the moment, Racing Point, Williams and McLaren are currently signed to run their power units in 2021 and beyond.
Ferrari back with massive power
Despite two technical directives and a poor showing in Austin, Ferrari’s controversial engine is back on song in Brazil. According to reports, Red Bull-Honda is calculating its laptime loss to Ferrari on the straight at 7 tenths, with Mercedes lagging behind by even more (Interlagos is a short track so 7 tenths is a massive gap per-pal). “Obviously Ferrari is fast again this weekend, especially on the straights,” world champion Lewis Hamilton is quoted as saying.
But Max Verstappen, who in Austin accused Ferrari of “cheating”, said it is too early to say Ferrari has recovered. “I don’t know. We’ll see on Saturday. You can’t trust the laptimes on Friday too much,” he said. Verstappen’s Red Bull boss Christian Horner thinks there could actually be more FIA clarifications on engine legality in the near future. “A few things were clarified in Austin, and here we got more information. Maybe there will be even more over the weekend,” he said.
As for Ferrari, Sebastian Vettel said the Maranello team is simply continuing to push ahead. “It is sad how quickly people judge these days after one bad race,” said the German. “But that’s the way it is. The best way to handle it is to ignore it and do your own work”.
Interlagos 99% sure it will retain Brazilian GP
Brazilian Grand Prix promoter Tamas Rohonyi is '99%' confident the race will stay at Interlagos, despite a mooted switch to a new Rio track for the 2021 Formula 1 season. Sao Paulo's current contract runs out at the end of 2020 and the fate of the race after that date has not yet been decided. F1 chiefs have been in discussions with representatives from a new track in Rio about switching the country's race there, with Brazilian president Jair Bolsonaro supporting that project and declaring earlier this year that it was "99%" likely to happen.
But Rohonyi is sceptical about the Rio plan and said his confidence in keeping the race at Interlagos was "the same percentage that the president mentioned". He sees Interlagos as the only realistic option for a Brazilian GP. "Either F1 remains here or there will be no Brazilian GP," Rohonyi said "I make no comments about Rio de Janeiro that I do not know, but what I do know is that there is a land with trees and animals, and so far there remains a land with trees and animals. I think it is physically impossible for an international event to happen there in 2021. But there are people who don't agree with that. Rio became an option because of the president's support, and Bolsonaro had Chase Carey by his side when he said F1 was 99% back in Rio de Janeiro. Today he wouldn't say that".
Rio previously hosted the Brazilian GP in 1978 and from 1981-89 but the Jacarepagua track used for those events has been demolished. Rohonyi thinks Bolsonaro was misled when he said the new Rio Motorpark venue, which is planned to be built on army land, could be ready so soon. "He was badly advised as there was no reason to say that," he said. "For those who want to host an F1 GP in 2021, you would need to have the track ready in May of that year. It's late 2019, so you have 16 months for that".
Rohonyi expects a decision about the future of the Brazilian GP to happen early next year and he says he is seeking a long term deal that could run until 2030. "For us, it's a very good period of contract," he added. "It is increasingly difficult to work with short term contracts. Big companies do long-term planning. Heineken, for example, has its largest market is Brazil, and these guys do not work in terms of two or three years".
A story about how things work in Brazil
As I'm sure you will all know Interlagos did a pit upgrade over the last couple of years, providing more room for teams and adding a roof to the paddock club. When the F1 circus arrived last week someone noticed that there was no podium to present the trophy's to the winners. It appears that everyone forgot to build one, or did they just trouser the money in Brazilian style and look the other way, hoping no-one would notice?
Well it seems that someone managed to get hold of a few 6x2s and knock up a temporary platform sticking out above garage number 1, so at least there is now somewhere for the big-wigs to present the trophy's and the drivers to spray the champagne.
If you find this story hard to believe wait and see as I'm sure that someone like Ted will bring it up at some point over the weekend
LOLOLOLO
MrCurry
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1%er
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Good afternoon F1 fans and welcome to qualifying in Brazil, what a civilized time of day for a GP
Could be an interesting qualifying coming up, Ferrari are back to running fast but Mercedes (Lewis fastest in FP3) have nothing to lose for the next two races. I wonder what parts for the 2020 cars can be spotted.
Could be an interesting qualifying coming up, Ferrari are back to running fast but Mercedes (Lewis fastest in FP3) have nothing to lose for the next two races. I wonder what parts for the 2020 cars can be spotted.
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According to the Brazilian TV coverage it is raining 3km from the track
1%er
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They didn't say which way the wind is blowing so it may not hit the track, just trying to add a bit of excitement I guess
MrCurry
right after this urgent rest
Anyone else watching Macau GP this morning? Always a race which provides a few good crashes!
Edit: race is up on YouTube now -
not saying too much in case anyone is going to watch the race on catchup, but there was one driver who really impressed me and it wasn’t Mick Schumacher
Edit: race is up on YouTube now -
not saying too much in case anyone is going to watch the race on catchup, but there was one driver who really impressed me and it wasn’t Mick Schumacher
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Penske says he is not buying Mercedes F1 team
Roger Penske says "it is absolutely not true" that he is buying Mercedes F1 team, so it that really the end of the story? The rumor is "that the team is for sale and that the buyer could either be Penske or Dmitry Mazepin", I have no way of knowing if the team is up for sale or not, but the story's about Toto leaving (to join Liberty Media), Lewis saying he want to know what Toto's plans are before talks about a new contract and the parent company of Mercedes, who are Daimler AG, saying publicly that they see the future being electric, all appear to be signs that long term, Mercedes may not want to be a team and just provide power-units.
What does our old mate Bernie have to say on the matter
Ecclestone told reporters “I wouldn’t be surprised if Mercedes stopped. There has been change at the top and the new people are not so enthusiastic about Formula 1 as the old people used to be. They might think we have won seven world championships, which they will have done by the end of next year, so why stay?”
Ecclestone, who spends much of his time at his Brazilian coffee plantation, said Mercedes quitting would be the perfect opportunity for Lewis Hamilton to follow suit. "If I were Lewis I’d think, ‘I’ve won another title’, and I’d stop. If Charles Leclerc stays at Ferrari, I’d put money on him to win against Lewis. He’s not necessarily better but he is established in the team. Ferrari is a strange place to work. Lewis doesn’t speak Italian. They might gang up on him or fall in love with him but I don’t think he would do as good a job for himself or the sport as he is doing with Mercedes. With Sebastian Vettel or Lewis they will only get a couple of years but with the younger two (Leclerc and Max Verstappen) they might get 10 years, I’m not sure Max isn’t the best guy at the moment, including Lewis.”
Roger Penske says "it is absolutely not true" that he is buying Mercedes F1 team, so it that really the end of the story? The rumor is "that the team is for sale and that the buyer could either be Penske or Dmitry Mazepin", I have no way of knowing if the team is up for sale or not, but the story's about Toto leaving (to join Liberty Media), Lewis saying he want to know what Toto's plans are before talks about a new contract and the parent company of Mercedes, who are Daimler AG, saying publicly that they see the future being electric, all appear to be signs that long term, Mercedes may not want to be a team and just provide power-units.
What does our old mate Bernie have to say on the matter
Ecclestone told reporters “I wouldn’t be surprised if Mercedes stopped. There has been change at the top and the new people are not so enthusiastic about Formula 1 as the old people used to be. They might think we have won seven world championships, which they will have done by the end of next year, so why stay?”
Ecclestone, who spends much of his time at his Brazilian coffee plantation, said Mercedes quitting would be the perfect opportunity for Lewis Hamilton to follow suit. "If I were Lewis I’d think, ‘I’ve won another title’, and I’d stop. If Charles Leclerc stays at Ferrari, I’d put money on him to win against Lewis. He’s not necessarily better but he is established in the team. Ferrari is a strange place to work. Lewis doesn’t speak Italian. They might gang up on him or fall in love with him but I don’t think he would do as good a job for himself or the sport as he is doing with Mercedes. With Sebastian Vettel or Lewis they will only get a couple of years but with the younger two (Leclerc and Max Verstappen) they might get 10 years, I’m not sure Max isn’t the best guy at the moment, including Lewis.”
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Hi race fans we are under starters orders for what I hope will be a great race and I also hope I don't fall asleep as one of our guests brought with them loads of Duval beer from Belgium, having drunk 5 very cold bottles I noticed it was 8.5% but also as there is hours to go 
but also as there is hours to go 
