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Limejuice
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beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Using the clutch to further compress the turbo. This is why F1 engineers are fucking wizards 
MrCurry
right after this urgent rest
I bet Ferrari put this about as an April 1 gag to see how much Toto needs a defibrillator.
It is in fact an April fools joke from Scarbs on twitter
It had me fooled most of the day as I saw it this morning and only realised shortly before posting that it was a joke. One of the more successful April fools jokes doing the rounds
Limejuice
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It's a good 'un because it's too techy for peasants like me to dismiss, and too plausible for techies to ignore.It is in fact an April fools joke from Scarbs on twitter
It had me fooled most of the day as I saw it this morning and only realised shortly before posting that it was a joke. One of the more successful April fools jokes doing the rounds
Next year they should do one about harnessing the strength of Kimi's radio messages to boost the MGU-K.
Zapp Brannigan
Built like a steakhouse, handles like a bistro
Oh come on. 0104%? It's written right there!
MrCurry
right after this urgent rest
Sorry, I know I keep banging on about betting for no apparent reason, but I can’t believe my eyes, LeClerc is now ahead of Vettel for the championship, according to the bookies! A near rookie against 4 times WDC who Ferrari have already said will receive preferential treatment in some circumstances this year...
And Bottas 12-1 for WDC, that is surprising given his strong start in Melbourne and after just one bad race (where he had a plastic bag in his front wing slots, handicapping him).
And Bottas 12-1 for WDC, that is surprising given his strong start in Melbourne and after just one bad race (where he had a plastic bag in his front wing slots, handicapping him).
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Italian press have knives out for Vettel
Its always worth having a look at the Italian press after Ferrari or Vettel have a bad weekend and they have really gone for Vettel, while Leclerc is the new golden child. Corriere dello Sport are claiming that there is a plan afoot to get Vettel out of Ferrari and replace him with Mick Schumacher. They claim “Ferrari looks to a future in which there is no room for Vettel, Mick Schumacher could soon be at the side of the talented Charles Leclerc”.
Other newspapers in Italy are saying things like;
La Repubblica said: "Vettel lost his front wing and his nerve in Bahrain," and then added: “Leclerc is the true rival of Lewis Hamilton”.
La Stampa were extremely blunt and abrupt in their criticism, advising Vettel to “get a mental coach and shave the moustache."
Corriere della Sera said the quadruple world champion was “humiliated” by Leclerc last weekend.
La Gazzetta dello Sport said Ferrari returns to Maranello from Bahrain “with one certainty and two problems. The certainty is Charles Leclerc, and the two problems are reliability and Sebastian Vettel”.
Radio messages also appear to say that Ferrari wanted Charles Leclerc to stay behind Vettel again in Bahrain. Five laps into Sunday's race, hard on Vettel's heels, Leclerc advised the team over the radio that he was quicker than his teammate once again, the team reply was "Copy... stay there for two laps, stay there for two laps". But Leclerc passed him anyway on the pits straight, courtesy of DRS Also speaking to the written press following the race, he confirmed he was told to stay behind "I was just letting them know I was faster than Vettel" he subsequently told reporters. "I think I had an answer from the team, saying; 'ok, stay like this for two laps', but on the next straight I had the opportunity to go for it, so I went for it and it was a successful pass. From then I was just quicker, so then I did my race".
The morning test times at the Bahrain test
For reference here are the times from the race;
F1 Bahrain Grand Prix pole position record: Charles Leclerc Ferrari 1m 27.866s (2019)
F1 Bahrain Grand Prix race lap record: Charles Leclerc Ferrari 1m 33.411s (2019)
This morning test times;
1. Romain Grosjean FRA Rich Energy Haas F1 Team 1m 30.982s 42 lap
2. Alexander Albon THA Red Bull Toro Rosso Honda 1m 31.089s 47 laps
3. Max Verstappen NED Aston Martin Red Bull Racing Honda 1m 31.319s 40 laps
4. Carlos Sainz ESP McLaren F1 Team 1m 32.059s 32 laps
5. Antonio Giovinazzi ITA Alfa Romeo Racing 1m 32.067s 22 lap
6. Lewis Hamilton GBR Mercedes AMG Petronas Motorsport 1m 32.232s 50 laps
7. Lance Stroll CAN SportPesa Racing Point F1 Team 1m 32.455s 23 laps
8. Mick Schumacher GER Scuderia Ferrari 1m 32.552s 33 laps
9. Daniel Ricciardo AUS Renault F1 Team 1m 33.006s 32 laps
10. Fernando Alonso ESP McLaren F1 Team 1m 33.289s 45 laps
11. Daniil Kvyat RUS Red Bull Toro Rosso Honda 1m 33.653s 34 laps
12. George Russell GBR ROKiT Williams Racing 1m 33.682s 27 laps
Its always worth having a look at the Italian press after Ferrari or Vettel have a bad weekend and they have really gone for Vettel, while Leclerc is the new golden child. Corriere dello Sport are claiming that there is a plan afoot to get Vettel out of Ferrari and replace him with Mick Schumacher. They claim “Ferrari looks to a future in which there is no room for Vettel, Mick Schumacher could soon be at the side of the talented Charles Leclerc”.
Other newspapers in Italy are saying things like;
La Repubblica said: "Vettel lost his front wing and his nerve in Bahrain," and then added: “Leclerc is the true rival of Lewis Hamilton”.
La Stampa were extremely blunt and abrupt in their criticism, advising Vettel to “get a mental coach and shave the moustache."
Corriere della Sera said the quadruple world champion was “humiliated” by Leclerc last weekend.
La Gazzetta dello Sport said Ferrari returns to Maranello from Bahrain “with one certainty and two problems. The certainty is Charles Leclerc, and the two problems are reliability and Sebastian Vettel”.
Radio messages also appear to say that Ferrari wanted Charles Leclerc to stay behind Vettel again in Bahrain. Five laps into Sunday's race, hard on Vettel's heels, Leclerc advised the team over the radio that he was quicker than his teammate once again, the team reply was "Copy... stay there for two laps, stay there for two laps". But Leclerc passed him anyway on the pits straight, courtesy of DRS
Also speaking to the written press following the race, he confirmed he was told to stay behind "I was just letting them know I was faster than Vettel" he subsequently told reporters. "I think I had an answer from the team, saying; 'ok, stay like this for two laps', but on the next straight I had the opportunity to go for it, so I went for it and it was a successful pass. From then I was just quicker, so then I did my race".The morning test times at the Bahrain test
For reference here are the times from the race;
F1 Bahrain Grand Prix pole position record: Charles Leclerc Ferrari 1m 27.866s (2019)
F1 Bahrain Grand Prix race lap record: Charles Leclerc Ferrari 1m 33.411s (2019)
This morning test times;
1. Romain Grosjean FRA Rich Energy Haas F1 Team 1m 30.982s 42 lap
2. Alexander Albon THA Red Bull Toro Rosso Honda 1m 31.089s 47 laps
3. Max Verstappen NED Aston Martin Red Bull Racing Honda 1m 31.319s 40 laps
4. Carlos Sainz ESP McLaren F1 Team 1m 32.059s 32 laps
5. Antonio Giovinazzi ITA Alfa Romeo Racing 1m 32.067s 22 lap
6. Lewis Hamilton GBR Mercedes AMG Petronas Motorsport 1m 32.232s 50 laps
7. Lance Stroll CAN SportPesa Racing Point F1 Team 1m 32.455s 23 laps
8. Mick Schumacher GER Scuderia Ferrari 1m 32.552s 33 laps
9. Daniel Ricciardo AUS Renault F1 Team 1m 33.006s 32 laps
10. Fernando Alonso ESP McLaren F1 Team 1m 33.289s 45 laps
11. Daniil Kvyat RUS Red Bull Toro Rosso Honda 1m 33.653s 34 laps
12. George Russell GBR ROKiT Williams Racing 1m 33.682s 27 laps
1%er
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What FOM and the FIA want in the 2021 Concorde agreement
Time is running out for Liberty media and the teams to sort-out the new Concorde agreement. There is a clauses in the FIA’s International Sporting Code that stipulate that F1 operates to 18-month notice periods for major regulation changes that could have a “substantial impact on the technical design of the automobile and/or the balance of performance between the automobiles", unless overriding covenants such as a Concorde Agreement override these clauses. The fact that no alternate agreements exist with less than three months remaining before the clock starts ticking down on 1st January 2021 indicates just how ill-prepared for 2021 the sport appears to be.
From what is currently in the public domain, these are the changes that FOM and the FIA want to introduce for 2021.
Governance
Ferrari will retain its power of veto of regulations changes. However it will become “softer”, effectively giving the team the right of appeal to the FIA only “if the DNA of the sport changes substantially”. The proposal provides for streamlining the rule-making process. The Strategy Group will fall away and the present 24-member F1 Commission reduced to only the FIA, FOM and all participating teams, thus a sort of ‘Super Strategy Group’, with the teams having one vote each and the FIA/FOM 10 apiece, with no representation for race promoters and technical/commercial partners. Motions will be escalated to the World Motor Sport Council for ratification. Although voting for most changes will be on a simple majority basis (50 per cent plus 1 vote), provision is made for a complex vote structure where major changes are tabled, or short timeframes are demanded. There are, though, concerns that voting is weighted in favour of FIA/FOM, placing teams at a disadvantage.
Revenue Distribution
A contentious area, although a more equitable structure was discussed, team bosses felt final details were missing. Bonuses will be paid, but at reduced levels, with Ferrari in line for around $50m per year, and others paid according to a heritage/performance table, based on a mix of historic championship wins and rolling ten-year classifications. Thus, over time, every team could conceivably earn a bonus.
Expressed differently, unless Haas scores some top results soon it is unlikely to receive bonuses but Williams, which celebrates 50 years in F1 this year and boasts an enviable historic record, would be in line for various payouts despite recently placing down the current order. The same goes for McLaren, while Alfa Romeo/Sauber would qualify for a heritage money, but not championship bonuses.
Thus there are three payment categories, Columns one and two as per the current prize money table, plus column three, based on performance/heritage criteria. According to a team boss the total ‘pot’, currently around $1bn, will still be about two-thirds of underlying revenues, with column three being significantly less than current bonus payments, in turn affecting Ferrari, Mercedes, Red Bull and McLaren, in that order.
It seems the proposed ex-gratia $10m annual payment to engine suppliers has been scrapped. If this is agreed the top three would be around $30m/annum worse off under the deal, McLaren down by around $5m and the likes of Renault/Racing Point benefitting by $25m.
Cost Cap
The only certainty is there will be a cost cap but the devil lurks in the detail regarding the inclusion and exclusions as outlined above. While major teams are pushing for driver salaries (and earnings of up to three executives) to be excluded, one independent team boss pointed out that superstars bring valuable lap time, yet are not restricted by caps, as are other performance related activities such as wind tunnel hours. What's the sense in paying a driver $40M a year but restricting wind tunnel time to 10 hours/week?
A three year cost cap glide-path is likely, equating on paper to $200m/$175m/$150m – but the raft of exclusions could easily push that to realistically more like $250m/$225m/$200m. This is still significantly less than what F1’s richest teams spent in 2018.
Sporting Regulations
A curate’s egg, on one hand little or no investment is required to bring changes to bear where on-track and weekend activities are concerned, but potentially a hornet’s nest when it comes to cost and manpower restrictions, and listed and standardised parts (strictly speaking these are sporting elements). What has become clear is that weekend timetables will be condensed to reduce time spent away. Although events will still cover four days, programmes will start later so teams can potentially arrive a day later. Expect first practice to start after Friday lunch, with second practice running into evening, and various running changes to qualifying and tyre usage regulations. But, fortunately, no qualifying race, as had been threatened.
On the off-track side, further restrictions are planned to reduce manning levels and related costs, although the big sporting regulation is, of course, the cost cap.
Engine Regulations
Effectively little change to what was eventually agreed last year after it emerged no newcomers had expressed interest after proposed changes aimed at reducing costs of entry were tabled, which would have penalised existing suppliers, who would have incurred development costs. Expect post 2020 engines to be much the same as present, subjected to dynamometer restrictions and other cost-saving regulations under a revised sporting code. It seems the overall plan is to aim for a major engine revamp in 2025, when the current crop will have seen service for 12 years old.
Technical Regulations
Plans for changes to F1 body shapes were largely based on research undertaken by FOM’s technical team headed by Pat Symonds working in conjunction with Nikolas Tombazis, the FIA’s head of single seater technical matters, and supported by studies undertaken by teams on their behalf, the 2021 technical regulations are edging towards finalisation. Two chassis concepts resulted, Hotel and India. Intended to help cars run together much more easily than at present, they feature basic wings, no barge boards, but with ground effects and large diffusers. Expect covered wheel rims to reduce drag, fared-in halos and possibly canard fins.
An ‘India 2’ concept will be ready in May, in time for outline regulations to be submitted to the WMSC by the end of June.
Bahrain testing times for Wednesday
1. Sebastian Vettel GER Scuderia Ferrari 1m 29.319s 52 laps
2. Lance Stroll CAN SportPesa Racing Point F1 Team 1m 30.049s 35 laps*
3. George Russell GBR Mercedes AMG Petronas Motorsport 1m 30.373s 79 laps
4. Alexander Albon THA Red Bull Toro Rosso Honda 1m 30.566s 97 laps
5. Sergio Perez MEX SportPesa Racing Point F1 Team 1m 30.996s 14 laps**
6. Mick Schumacher GER Alfa Romeo Racing 1m 31.113s 47 laps
7. Pietro Fittipaldi BRA Rich Energy Haas F1 Team 1m 31.209s 48 laps*
8. Lando Norris GBR McLaren F1 Team 1m 31.303s 65 laps
9. Dan Ticktum GBR Aston Martin Red Bull Racing Honda 1m 31.447s 76 laps
10. Carlos Sainz ESP McLaren F1 Team 1m 32.269s 60 laps*
11. Daniil Kvyat RUS Red Bull Toro Rosso Honda 1m 32.664s 88 laps
12. Fernando Alonso ESP McLaren F1 Team 1m 32.930s 34 laps**
13. Jack Aitken GBR Renault F1 Team 1m 33.560s 53 laps
14. Nicholas Latifi CAN ROKiT Williams Racing 1m 33.808s 59 laps
15. Romain Grosjean FRA Rich Energy Haas F1 Team 1m 36.116s 23 laps**
*Morning session
**Afternoon session
Time is running out for Liberty media and the teams to sort-out the new Concorde agreement. There is a clauses in the FIA’s International Sporting Code that stipulate that F1 operates to 18-month notice periods for major regulation changes that could have a “substantial impact on the technical design of the automobile and/or the balance of performance between the automobiles", unless overriding covenants such as a Concorde Agreement override these clauses. The fact that no alternate agreements exist with less than three months remaining before the clock starts ticking down on 1st January 2021 indicates just how ill-prepared for 2021 the sport appears to be.
From what is currently in the public domain, these are the changes that FOM and the FIA want to introduce for 2021.
Governance
Ferrari will retain its power of veto of regulations changes. However it will become “softer”, effectively giving the team the right of appeal to the FIA only “if the DNA of the sport changes substantially”. The proposal provides for streamlining the rule-making process. The Strategy Group will fall away and the present 24-member F1 Commission reduced to only the FIA, FOM and all participating teams, thus a sort of ‘Super Strategy Group’, with the teams having one vote each and the FIA/FOM 10 apiece, with no representation for race promoters and technical/commercial partners. Motions will be escalated to the World Motor Sport Council for ratification. Although voting for most changes will be on a simple majority basis (50 per cent plus 1 vote), provision is made for a complex vote structure where major changes are tabled, or short timeframes are demanded. There are, though, concerns that voting is weighted in favour of FIA/FOM, placing teams at a disadvantage.
Revenue Distribution
A contentious area, although a more equitable structure was discussed, team bosses felt final details were missing. Bonuses will be paid, but at reduced levels, with Ferrari in line for around $50m per year, and others paid according to a heritage/performance table, based on a mix of historic championship wins and rolling ten-year classifications. Thus, over time, every team could conceivably earn a bonus.
Expressed differently, unless Haas scores some top results soon it is unlikely to receive bonuses but Williams, which celebrates 50 years in F1 this year and boasts an enviable historic record, would be in line for various payouts despite recently placing down the current order. The same goes for McLaren, while Alfa Romeo/Sauber would qualify for a heritage money, but not championship bonuses.
Thus there are three payment categories, Columns one and two as per the current prize money table, plus column three, based on performance/heritage criteria. According to a team boss the total ‘pot’, currently around $1bn, will still be about two-thirds of underlying revenues, with column three being significantly less than current bonus payments, in turn affecting Ferrari, Mercedes, Red Bull and McLaren, in that order.
It seems the proposed ex-gratia $10m annual payment to engine suppliers has been scrapped. If this is agreed the top three would be around $30m/annum worse off under the deal, McLaren down by around $5m and the likes of Renault/Racing Point benefitting by $25m.
Cost Cap
The only certainty is there will be a cost cap but the devil lurks in the detail regarding the inclusion and exclusions as outlined above. While major teams are pushing for driver salaries (and earnings of up to three executives) to be excluded, one independent team boss pointed out that superstars bring valuable lap time, yet are not restricted by caps, as are other performance related activities such as wind tunnel hours. What's the sense in paying a driver $40M a year but restricting wind tunnel time to 10 hours/week?
A three year cost cap glide-path is likely, equating on paper to $200m/$175m/$150m – but the raft of exclusions could easily push that to realistically more like $250m/$225m/$200m. This is still significantly less than what F1’s richest teams spent in 2018.
Sporting Regulations
A curate’s egg, on one hand little or no investment is required to bring changes to bear where on-track and weekend activities are concerned, but potentially a hornet’s nest when it comes to cost and manpower restrictions, and listed and standardised parts (strictly speaking these are sporting elements). What has become clear is that weekend timetables will be condensed to reduce time spent away. Although events will still cover four days, programmes will start later so teams can potentially arrive a day later. Expect first practice to start after Friday lunch, with second practice running into evening, and various running changes to qualifying and tyre usage regulations. But, fortunately, no qualifying race, as had been threatened.
On the off-track side, further restrictions are planned to reduce manning levels and related costs, although the big sporting regulation is, of course, the cost cap.
Engine Regulations
Effectively little change to what was eventually agreed last year after it emerged no newcomers had expressed interest after proposed changes aimed at reducing costs of entry were tabled, which would have penalised existing suppliers, who would have incurred development costs. Expect post 2020 engines to be much the same as present, subjected to dynamometer restrictions and other cost-saving regulations under a revised sporting code. It seems the overall plan is to aim for a major engine revamp in 2025, when the current crop will have seen service for 12 years old.
Technical Regulations
Plans for changes to F1 body shapes were largely based on research undertaken by FOM’s technical team headed by Pat Symonds working in conjunction with Nikolas Tombazis, the FIA’s head of single seater technical matters, and supported by studies undertaken by teams on their behalf, the 2021 technical regulations are edging towards finalisation. Two chassis concepts resulted, Hotel and India. Intended to help cars run together much more easily than at present, they feature basic wings, no barge boards, but with ground effects and large diffusers. Expect covered wheel rims to reduce drag, fared-in halos and possibly canard fins.
An ‘India 2’ concept will be ready in May, in time for outline regulations to be submitted to the WMSC by the end of June.
Bahrain testing times for Wednesday
1. Sebastian Vettel GER Scuderia Ferrari 1m 29.319s 52 laps
2. Lance Stroll CAN SportPesa Racing Point F1 Team 1m 30.049s 35 laps*
3. George Russell GBR Mercedes AMG Petronas Motorsport 1m 30.373s 79 laps
4. Alexander Albon THA Red Bull Toro Rosso Honda 1m 30.566s 97 laps
5. Sergio Perez MEX SportPesa Racing Point F1 Team 1m 30.996s 14 laps**
6. Mick Schumacher GER Alfa Romeo Racing 1m 31.113s 47 laps
7. Pietro Fittipaldi BRA Rich Energy Haas F1 Team 1m 31.209s 48 laps*
8. Lando Norris GBR McLaren F1 Team 1m 31.303s 65 laps
9. Dan Ticktum GBR Aston Martin Red Bull Racing Honda 1m 31.447s 76 laps
10. Carlos Sainz ESP McLaren F1 Team 1m 32.269s 60 laps*
11. Daniil Kvyat RUS Red Bull Toro Rosso Honda 1m 32.664s 88 laps
12. Fernando Alonso ESP McLaren F1 Team 1m 32.930s 34 laps**
13. Jack Aitken GBR Renault F1 Team 1m 33.560s 53 laps
14. Nicholas Latifi CAN ROKiT Williams Racing 1m 33.808s 59 laps
15. Romain Grosjean FRA Rich Energy Haas F1 Team 1m 36.116s 23 laps**
*Morning session
**Afternoon session
