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hipipol
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So, Valtteri, who will never have the same number of wins as the Man From Stevenage, who since his first interview when the cart he was driving was twice his size has always described himself as "a Racer", is deprived of the win even though the part time clothing designer would still have increased his lead in the Championship, still 1-2 for Merc in the Constructors. Earing Boy is not a sportsman
Can see that point of view. At the time of team orders Bottas was labouring round with Hamilton behind him and Vettel behind Hamilton. He might have held onto the position under racing conditions but I doubt it. For me the team orders made sense for the team
1%er
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Maurizio Arrivabene leaving Ferrari
That got your attention didn't it
Well that is the headline in many Italian newspapers today. Arrivabene is reportedly coming under increasing pressure at the Scuderia as another World Championship slips away from their grasp and into the hands of Mercedes. There is a sense that Ferrari are ready to move into a new era, especially with the new Scuderia board going ahead in bringing Charles Leclerc into their driver line-up from 2019, while Arrivabene himself preferred to keep Kimi Raikkonen in the team.
What has got the press so excited is the fact that the Juventus need a new general director after it was announced that Giuseppe Marotta is stepping down from the Juve board. Why and how does the effect Ferrari and Arrivabene, I hear you ask? Well that is down to the Agnelli family, one of the richest and most influential families in Italy who own the holding company Exor. Among the companies the Agnelli's have a large interest in are, 64% of Juventus F.C. 30% of Fiat Chrysler Automobiles and almost 25% of Ferrari. Arrivabene is closely associated to the Agnelli family and is on the shortlist for the Juventus job.
After another defeat to Mercedes in Russia at the Sochi Autodrom, Arrivabene conceded something was missing at Ferrari as their slump continues. “Right from Friday, the Sochi weekend was rather a difficult one for us. Despite all our efforts to find the ideal set-up, neither on Saturday nor in the race were we competitive enough to worry our closest rivals. Compared to the way we performed at other circuits, something was missing here and so we were unable to reduce the points gap” said Arrivabene.
The new Board having imposed Charles Leclerc on the team are looking to stamp their "new leadership" on the company and it isn't clear that Arrivabene is part of their future plans.
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That got your attention didn't it
Well that is the headline in many Italian newspapers today. Arrivabene is reportedly coming under increasing pressure at the Scuderia as another World Championship slips away from their grasp and into the hands of Mercedes. There is a sense that Ferrari are ready to move into a new era, especially with the new Scuderia board going ahead in bringing Charles Leclerc into their driver line-up from 2019, while Arrivabene himself preferred to keep Kimi Raikkonen in the team.What has got the press so excited is the fact that the Juventus need a new general director after it was announced that Giuseppe Marotta is stepping down from the Juve board. Why and how does the effect Ferrari and Arrivabene, I hear you ask? Well that is down to the Agnelli family, one of the richest and most influential families in Italy who own the holding company Exor. Among the companies the Agnelli's have a large interest in are, 64% of Juventus F.C. 30% of Fiat Chrysler Automobiles and almost 25% of Ferrari. Arrivabene is closely associated to the Agnelli family and is on the shortlist for the Juventus job.
After another defeat to Mercedes in Russia at the Sochi Autodrom, Arrivabene conceded something was missing at Ferrari as their slump continues. “Right from Friday, the Sochi weekend was rather a difficult one for us. Despite all our efforts to find the ideal set-up, neither on Saturday nor in the race were we competitive enough to worry our closest rivals. Compared to the way we performed at other circuits, something was missing here and so we were unable to reduce the points gap” said Arrivabene.
The new Board having imposed Charles Leclerc on the team are looking to stamp their "new leadership" on the company and it isn't clear that Arrivabene is part of their future plans.
The latest issue of GP+ e-magazine is free
GP+ e-magazine is one of the best mags about F1 and has writers who really are at the track-side for all F1 races and has some extremely good articles. You can download their Russian GP issue here in PDF for nothing, free, gratis
GrandPrix+ is brought to you by David Tremayne, Joe Saward, Peter Nygaard with additional material from Mike Doodson, Lotte Nygaard and Alison Voln.
planetgeli
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1%er
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My two favorite sports in one
Well not before time in my view, the Corinthians have decided to honor Ayrton Senna with an anniversary kit In 1988, Senna a lifelong Corinthians fan clinched his first F1 drivers' title at the Japanese Grand Prix, and with the 2018 race coming up at Suzuka this weekend, Corinthians have unveiled the honorary kit. It features 41 golden lines, one for every race won by Senna. His signature replaces the sponsor's logo on the front, while inside the collar is the phrase 'Senna sempre', meaning 'Senna always' in Portuguese.
Why the Lotus colors and not the McLaren colors you are wondering, well it is for two reasons, the first is he won his first race in a Lotus and second is that red and white are the colors of the Sao Paulo football clob and they are our biggest rivals, Corinthians fans would never wear a red and white kit. If I get my shirt in time I'll wear it this Sunday for the race
New four-round qualifying format could be a go
I mentioned above that a new qualifying format was under discussion for 2019, four rounds which would be slightly shorter than at present and have less delay between each one. Four cars would be eliminated at the end of each of the first three rounds, leaving just eight drivers fighting it out for pole in a brand-new ten-minute Q4. It seems Charlie Whiting likes the idea, but as he says it isn't his decision. "It's a new idea proposed by Formula 1 as a result of a lot of research and asking the fans, it was discussed last week in the Strategy Group. Personally I like the idea but it's not up to me" Whiting commented.
The idea behind it is that there would be more risk for the top teams, who would need to judge the early rounds perfectly if they're to avoid accidental elimination and miss out on the chance of going for pole. In addition it would mean only the top eight cars would have to start on the set of tyres they completed the penultimate round of qualifying on, as opposed to ten at the moment. That might help some of the mid-field runners on Sunday as they would have a free selection of compound on which to start the race. There's been additional speculation that drivers would be allowed only one run in the final session and that they would go out one at a time to increase the tension. However I don't think that option would be excepted by the teams but sounds interesting
Mclaren are the only team so far to come out and say they don't like the idea and want to keep the current system, but maybe if they were running at the front they'd think differently, there is also the tyre issue to be thought about. Teams currently receive 13 sets of tyres per race weekend, with each of them typically using two sets of tyres in each round that they are involved in. That could mean the top teams needing to hold back up to eight sets for qualifying alone, let along for free practice and the race. So more tyres would have to be made available, at the moment each car that gets through to Q3 get an extra set so something similar would have to be worked out for the new system not to be a disadvantage to those going into Q4 (not beyond the whit of F1 I'm sure) LOL
Well not before time in my view, the Corinthians have decided to honor Ayrton Senna with an anniversary kit
In 1988, Senna a lifelong Corinthians fan clinched his first F1 drivers' title at the Japanese Grand Prix, and with the 2018 race coming up at Suzuka this weekend, Corinthians have unveiled the honorary kit. It features 41 golden lines, one for every race won by Senna. His signature replaces the sponsor's logo on the front, while inside the collar is the phrase 'Senna sempre', meaning 'Senna always' in Portuguese.Why the Lotus colors and not the McLaren colors you are wondering, well it is for two reasons, the first is he won his first race in a Lotus and second is that red and white are the colors of the Sao Paulo football clob and they are our biggest rivals, Corinthians fans would never wear a red and white kit. If I get my shirt in time I'll wear it this Sunday for the race
New four-round qualifying format could be a go
I mentioned above that a new qualifying format was under discussion for 2019, four rounds which would be slightly shorter than at present and have less delay between each one. Four cars would be eliminated at the end of each of the first three rounds, leaving just eight drivers fighting it out for pole in a brand-new ten-minute Q4. It seems Charlie Whiting likes the idea, but as he says it isn't his decision. "It's a new idea proposed by Formula 1 as a result of a lot of research and asking the fans, it was discussed last week in the Strategy Group. Personally I like the idea but it's not up to me" Whiting commented.
The idea behind it is that there would be more risk for the top teams, who would need to judge the early rounds perfectly if they're to avoid accidental elimination and miss out on the chance of going for pole. In addition it would mean only the top eight cars would have to start on the set of tyres they completed the penultimate round of qualifying on, as opposed to ten at the moment. That might help some of the mid-field runners on Sunday as they would have a free selection of compound on which to start the race. There's been additional speculation that drivers would be allowed only one run in the final session and that they would go out one at a time to increase the tension. However I don't think that option would be excepted by the teams but sounds interesting
Mclaren are the only team so far to come out and say they don't like the idea and want to keep the current system, but maybe if they were running at the front they'd think differently, there is also the tyre issue to be thought about. Teams currently receive 13 sets of tyres per race weekend, with each of them typically using two sets of tyres in each round that they are involved in. That could mean the top teams needing to hold back up to eight sets for qualifying alone, let along for free practice and the race. So more tyres would have to be made available, at the moment each car that gets through to Q3 get an extra set so something similar would have to be worked out for the new system not to be a disadvantage to those going into Q4 (not beyond the whit of F1 I'm sure) LOL
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I think they said they were live on C4, then repeated later at a more sociable time.
Limejuice
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Live, it seems, on Channel 4.
The qualifying and race are shown later at sensible times.
Formula 1 - Channel 4
1%er
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Some Ferrari gossip
The Italian press are not happy with Ferrari, they never are really unless the team is wining. They are whining about how Ferrari have now lost yet another championship after being in pole position just 3 months ago, headlines loosely translated such as "How Ferrari loses a world championship in three months" and "One own goal after the next". They want to know why Ferrari having the faster car still dropped back so much. I think I have an answer for them.
Both Mercedes and Renault asked questions of the FIA earlier this year over Ferrari's sudden surge in power and performance. As a result the FIA investigated the Scuderia's new dual-battery energy storage system and installed a sensor to monitor the unit's process, They claimed they found nothing illegal. However, according to some news outlets a second FIA sensor was fitted recently, and this apparently resulted in a sudden drop in performance according to other teams who monitored the Ferrari cars via GPS.
When asked about the apparent loss of Ferrari power Renault team boss Cyril Abiteboul said "We can see it clearly in our GPS measurements". Also Andy Cowell <Mercedes Engine man said "Ferrari still has plenty of power, but the data still points to a drop off of power under acceleration, a reduction that may have impacted the Scuderia's performance in the last few races". It begs the question, did Ferrari realise the second sensor could/may pick up something they didn't want the FIA to see so went back to the old battery energy storage system?
The press are also going after Maurizio Arrivabene and Sebastian Vettel, claiming they have made the mistakes that have cost the team points in the last few races. They appear to be backing Mattia Binotto (Ferrari technical director) to takeover from Arrivabene as the teams new CEO, while saying Maurizio Arrivabene is the best man for the job at Juventus
Bernie Ecclestone has also slung in his twopence worth in claiming Ferrari has become to Italian again, meaning I think from reading his interview with the French Auto Hebdo that he believes the team has let the Ferrari motorcar company have to much input into the running of the F1 team and to many Italians in the management. This happened back in the 1980 and early 1990s, he went on to say some interesting things, such as, "we got Todt to go there to look after things, so the management wasn't to Italian and he installed Englishman Ross Brawn as technical director and South African Rory Byrne as chief designer".
For those who don't remember this lead to five straight driver's championships starting in 2000 and six straight constructor's championships, so it worked out well, lets not forget that Ferrari are the key to F1's success according to Bernie, so it was important for them to be winning. He also said that you just need to look at the differences between Ferrari and Mercedes "Ferrari have got a completely different way of going on to Mercedes, haven't they. Mercedes has got a team that's pure, all they do is racing, it's nothing to do with the manufacturer. Ferrari is looking after their car production side of things, gearing that more or less to their Formula One performances. So it's run in a different way".
The Italian press are not happy with Ferrari, they never are really unless the team is wining. They are whining about how Ferrari have now lost yet another championship after being in pole position just 3 months ago, headlines loosely translated such as "How Ferrari loses a world championship in three months" and "One own goal after the next". They want to know why Ferrari having the faster car still dropped back so much. I think I have an answer for them.
Both Mercedes and Renault asked questions of the FIA earlier this year over Ferrari's sudden surge in power and performance. As a result the FIA investigated the Scuderia's new dual-battery energy storage system and installed a sensor to monitor the unit's process, They claimed they found nothing illegal. However, according to some news outlets a second FIA sensor was fitted recently, and this apparently resulted in a sudden drop in performance according to other teams who monitored the Ferrari cars via GPS.
When asked about the apparent loss of Ferrari power Renault team boss Cyril Abiteboul said "We can see it clearly in our GPS measurements". Also Andy Cowell <Mercedes Engine man said "Ferrari still has plenty of power, but the data still points to a drop off of power under acceleration, a reduction that may have impacted the Scuderia's performance in the last few races".
It begs the question, did Ferrari realise the second sensor could/may pick up something they didn't want the FIA to see so went back to the old battery energy storage system?The press are also going after Maurizio Arrivabene and Sebastian Vettel, claiming they have made the mistakes that have cost the team points in the last few races. They appear to be backing Mattia Binotto (Ferrari technical director) to takeover from Arrivabene as the teams new CEO, while saying Maurizio Arrivabene is the best man for the job at Juventus
Bernie Ecclestone has also slung in his twopence worth in claiming Ferrari has become to Italian again, meaning I think from reading his interview with the French Auto Hebdo that he believes the team has let the Ferrari motorcar company have to much input into the running of the F1 team and to many Italians in the management. This happened back in the 1980 and early 1990s, he went on to say some interesting things, such as, "we got Todt to go there to look after things, so the management wasn't to Italian and he installed Englishman Ross Brawn as technical director and South African Rory Byrne as chief designer".
For those who don't remember this lead to five straight driver's championships starting in 2000 and six straight constructor's championships, so it worked out well, lets not forget that Ferrari are the key to F1's success according to Bernie, so it was important for them to be winning. He also said that you just need to look at the differences between Ferrari and Mercedes "Ferrari have got a completely different way of going on to Mercedes, haven't they. Mercedes has got a team that's pure, all they do is racing, it's nothing to do with the manufacturer. Ferrari is looking after their car production side of things, gearing that more or less to their Formula One performances. So it's run in a different way".
Limejuice
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The Ferrari story does fit.
Yes, Mercedes have made progress against a strong Ferrari car since the beginning of the season. And you might think it's simply that Ferrari haven't upgraded as well as them.
Except it seems like Ferrari have actually stepped backwards in performance. Impossible to determine, I know. But Vettel's had this hang-dog expression since the summer break. Maybe he knows what's pulling them back, and they've lost a big slab of performance he can't get back. Hammy is predictably odds-on to win the driver's championship.
Yes, Mercedes have made progress against a strong Ferrari car since the beginning of the season. And you might think it's simply that Ferrari haven't upgraded as well as them.
Except it seems like Ferrari have actually stepped backwards in performance. Impossible to determine, I know. But Vettel's had this hang-dog expression since the summer break. Maybe he knows what's pulling them back, and they've lost a big slab of performance he can't get back. Hammy is predictably odds-on to win the driver's championship.
spitfire
Walty McWaltface
YES
I record it on Freeview but be warned (!), if it gets rained off like it did a few years ago your recording may run out half way through the race. So record the 2 programmes after as well.
Also the replay misses out on a lot of the other stuff like pit walks etc. Not as much as a highlights replay but not far off it.
Here endeth the Japanese GP Freeview technical advice document.
Some of it's probably wrong but you get the gist.
cybershot
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1%er
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Good for you! You know it makes sense
I am going to get up and watch it live #properfan
Now all you need to do is look at youtube and find-out how to link your laptop to your big screen TV via a cable or your WIFI, for the races you have to watch via the internet LOLOLOLO You can do it Badgers we all have faith in you ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
1%er
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Maurizio Arrivabene answers the Italian press
Ferrari boss Maurizio Arrivabene has responded to reports that he is set to quit the Prancing Horse team. Italian media claimed Arrivabene was in line to replace Giuseppe Marotta as the CEO of Juventus by the end of October. But the 61-year-old, who is already on the board of the Serie A club, insists his future lies in Formula One and in trying to help Ferrari close the gap to Mercedes. “I am at Ferrari and my future will be here, I am a member of the board of director of Juventus and I am honoured to have this position in the club. I hope my nominee for the new board of directors will be accepted but my job remains here in Ferrari”.
That's fair enough Maurizio but I'm not sure it is you who will decide if you remain at the Scuderia. You ended up on the wrong side of the argument regarding Kimi remaining at the team for 2019. Interestingly the new Ferrari CEO also came from Philip Morris (Maurizio old work place), I think the deciding factor on Arrivabene's staying at Ferrari will be how he gets along with new boss Louis Camilleri. It is clear that the Italian press want blood and big changes at the team will Camiller bow to that pressure or will he stick with a team principal who has been in place for 4 years and not won anything?
Did Vijay wait to long to sell the team
Over the last couple of years there have been a number of reports in the press about Force India being up for sale. It has been claimed that Mallya wanted 400 million pounds for the team and had rejected a number of offers of around 200 million pounds. The just released administrators report also shows that the administrators only received 90 million pounds for the team. The report also revealed the parlous finances of the Vijay Mallya owned team at the time they were taken into administration last July. The team had only 240,000 pounds in its account on July 27 while outstanding gross wages due to be paid at the end of that month totalled 2.2 million pounds. The estimated funding requirement for August, including staff salaries, was 9.6 million with “no meaningful income” forecast to be received. Santander had frozen the company’s bank accounts on July 25.
FRP (the administrators) said engine providers Mercedes were owed 13.7 million pounds while representatives of Mexican driver Sergio Perez were demanding payment of $4.01 million. Supplier Formtech was also owed 2.3 million pounds. Mallya owned 42.5 percent of the team with a similar shareholding in the hands of India’s Sahara Group Owned by Subrata Roy (who is still in jail in India on corruption charges) the rest of the shares were owned by Michiel Mol the Dutch business man who owned the Spyker F1 team before it became Force India.
FRP said sponsor BWT provided an immediate unsecured loan of five million pounds to ensure July wages were paid, a sum repaid by a further 15 million loan from Stroll’s Racing Point following an exclusivity agreement on Aug 7. After an Aug.6 deadline there were five bids left but Racing Point, led by the father of Williams F1 driver Lance Stroll, were the only ones aiming to rescue the company as a going concern. Racing Point offered to acquire the business and assets for 90 million pounds in the event that a share purchase could not be completed in time, as proved to be the case. The FRP also said two claims against the team of eight and 10 million pounds as commission for introducing a sponsor were pending, with the first scheduled for trial next July.
Ferrari boss Maurizio Arrivabene has responded to reports that he is set to quit the Prancing Horse team. Italian media claimed Arrivabene was in line to replace Giuseppe Marotta as the CEO of Juventus by the end of October. But the 61-year-old, who is already on the board of the Serie A club, insists his future lies in Formula One and in trying to help Ferrari close the gap to Mercedes. “I am at Ferrari and my future will be here, I am a member of the board of director of Juventus and I am honoured to have this position in the club. I hope my nominee for the new board of directors will be accepted but my job remains here in Ferrari”.
That's fair enough Maurizio but I'm not sure it is you who will decide if you remain at the Scuderia. You ended up on the wrong side of the argument regarding Kimi remaining at the team for 2019. Interestingly the new Ferrari CEO also came from Philip Morris (Maurizio old work place), I think the deciding factor on Arrivabene's staying at Ferrari will be how he gets along with new boss Louis Camilleri. It is clear that the Italian press want blood and big changes at the team will Camiller bow to that pressure or will he stick with a team principal who has been in place for 4 years and not won anything?
Did Vijay wait to long to sell the team
Over the last couple of years there have been a number of reports in the press about Force India being up for sale. It has been claimed that Mallya wanted 400 million pounds for the team and had rejected a number of offers of around 200 million pounds. The just released administrators report also shows that the administrators only received 90 million pounds for the team. The report also revealed the parlous finances of the Vijay Mallya owned team at the time they were taken into administration last July. The team had only 240,000 pounds in its account on July 27 while outstanding gross wages due to be paid at the end of that month totalled 2.2 million pounds. The estimated funding requirement for August, including staff salaries, was 9.6 million with “no meaningful income” forecast to be received. Santander had frozen the company’s bank accounts on July 25.
FRP (the administrators) said engine providers Mercedes were owed 13.7 million pounds while representatives of Mexican driver Sergio Perez were demanding payment of $4.01 million. Supplier Formtech was also owed 2.3 million pounds. Mallya owned 42.5 percent of the team with a similar shareholding in the hands of India’s Sahara Group Owned by Subrata Roy (who is still in jail in India on corruption charges) the rest of the shares were owned by Michiel Mol the Dutch business man who owned the Spyker F1 team before it became Force India.
FRP said sponsor BWT provided an immediate unsecured loan of five million pounds to ensure July wages were paid, a sum repaid by a further 15 million loan from Stroll’s Racing Point following an exclusivity agreement on Aug 7. After an Aug.6 deadline there were five bids left but Racing Point, led by the father of Williams F1 driver Lance Stroll, were the only ones aiming to rescue the company as a going concern. Racing Point offered to acquire the business and assets for 90 million pounds in the event that a share purchase could not be completed in time, as proved to be the case. The FRP also said two claims against the team of eight and 10 million pounds as commission for introducing a sponsor were pending, with the first scheduled for trial next July.
1%er
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Who is telling porky pies
Whoops, someone is not telling the truth and it appears to be Charlie Whiting. In what appears to be a definitive statement Charlie Whiting has told the press that the FIA did not fit a 2nd sensor to the Ferrari car "There have been no additional sensors fitted to the Ferrari. That is unambiguously the case. Disinformation is being spread by the teams, and that story was a direct result of this. We can forget stories of a second sensor as an explanation. It didn’t happen".
The problem with that statement is that while Charlie was making it, Maurizio Arrivabene was confirming to German television network RTL the existence of the second sensor, which was added at the request of the FIA to monitor how Ferrari’s unique power unit design functions. “Our battery layout is quite complex,” Arrivabene told RTL. “We agreed with the request from the FIA to work together with them and to facilitate their work we added a second sensor. But it doesn’t change in any case the performance of our car. Despite that I think it’s strange that everybody knows about the second sensor. I said that our battery layout is quite complex but it’s also an intellectual property of Ferrari. I hope that as everybody knows about the second sensor in future everybody they are not going to be informed about our projects. That could be a serious matter”.
Now I don't know about you guys, but to me it seems they can't both be telling the truth
Whoops, someone is not telling the truth and it appears to be Charlie Whiting. In what appears to be a definitive statement Charlie Whiting has told the press that the FIA did not fit a 2nd sensor to the Ferrari car "There have been no additional sensors fitted to the Ferrari. That is unambiguously the case. Disinformation is being spread by the teams, and that story was a direct result of this. We can forget stories of a second sensor as an explanation. It didn’t happen".
The problem with that statement is that while Charlie was making it, Maurizio Arrivabene was confirming to German television network RTL the existence of the second sensor, which was added at the request of the FIA to monitor how Ferrari’s unique power unit design functions. “Our battery layout is quite complex,” Arrivabene told RTL. “We agreed with the request from the FIA to work together with them and to facilitate their work we added a second sensor. But it doesn’t change in any case the performance of our car. Despite that I think it’s strange that everybody knows about the second sensor. I said that our battery layout is quite complex but it’s also an intellectual property of Ferrari. I hope that as everybody knows about the second sensor in future everybody they are not going to be informed about our projects. That could be a serious matter”.
Now I don't know about you guys, but to me it seems they can't both be telling the truth
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
get a cable to connect your laptop to the tv so you have laptop convenience but big screen pictureHope so. Want the big screen not the laptop view
