Urban75 Home About Offline BrixtonBuzz Contact

European Super League (again)

So what is the actual argument of those creating the ESL? What improvements do they propose it'll make?

Yes, we all know what improvements they're actually interested in, but they're not going to say that in public.

Real Madrid president Florentino Perez said.... "Football is the only global sport in the world with more than four billion fans and our responsibility as big clubs is to respond to their desires,"
Click to expand...
Genuinely, what "desire" does he think he's talking about there? Or, rather, what "desire" does he think everyone else will think he's talking about?
 
donkyboy said:
WRONG. The germans would have joined. they cannot because of the 50 plus rule they have. Funny how everyone is praising them when in fact they would have jumped at the chance if they could
Click to expand...
That’s the very reason the 50 plus rule is in place you donkey!
 
These clubs ought to have the chair of the board or the owners out in front of the cameras answering questions about the Super League not the coaches. Imagine the players and coaches heads. Up and till yesterday at Chelsea they were fighting for a crucial fourth place to qualify for the CL next season and looking forward to the semis of the CL , what's the effing point now?
 
The39thStep said:
These clubs ought to have the chair of the board or the owners out in front of the cameras answering questions about the Super League not the coaches. Imagine the players and coaches heads. Up and till yesterday at Chelsea they were fighting for a crucial fourth place to qualify for the CL next season and looking forward to the semis of the CL , what's the effing point now?
Click to expand...

Likewise, you play in this new league with no relegation. You have a bad start and find yourself 15 points adrift of the leaders. What motivates you to train and play hard for the remainder?

As for 'American sports leagues'. Isn't this exactly what this is MEANT to become? Courtesy of JP Morgan, Morgan Chase, an American bank?

Such a crap idea.
 
Lord Camomile said:
So what is the actual argument of those creating the ESL? What improvements do they propose it'll make?

Yes, we all know what improvements they're actually interested in, but they're not going to say that in public.

Genuinely, what "desire" does he think he's talking about there? Or, rather, what "desire" does he think everyone else will think he's talking about?
Click to expand...
They can take their games to the world so those in Asia and the US can see them play live competitively rather than just in meaningless friendlies. They are only thinking about the fans...
 
Lord Camomile said:
To be fair, aren't most American sports leagues set up like that? Pretty sure none of the big 4 of NFL, NBA, MLB and NHL have relegation. Just the same few teams, playing endlessly...

(Until one of them moves 'franchise' to another city)
Click to expand...
Cricket's like that tbf, at both domestic and international level really. But that's because there isn't the depth to justify a pyramid.
 
Harry Smiles said:
They've lobbed a grenade at the PL with the pin still in. If the PL takes the pin out by throwing them all out, it destroys itself too. PL TV rights will be worth about £4.50 without those 6 clubs.

No football fan in this country wants to watch a series of exhibition matches where there is no consequence to coming last (for the 'founders'). But the people driving this don't care about football or football fans, whatsover. If the global market is where the money, and it will buy this non-competition, they will happily sell the game as we know it out in it's entirety.

Wankers.
Click to expand...
You’ve answered the second issue with your opening statement. If no fan wants to watch exhibition games they’ll want to watch a new style EPL. So tv revenues may be reduced but not disappear. And without the big 6 elevating wages to unsustainable levels the teams that remain won’t need eye watering levels of tv money to assemble a squad.
 
Maltin said:
They can take their games to the world so those in Asia and the US can see them play live competitively rather than just in meaningless friendlies. They are only thinking about the fans...
Click to expand...
Ah, roger.

Again, with the greatest of respect to international fans, that does seem to inherently go against one of the fundamental aspects of a football club: it's connection to the local community around it.

Though I guess we've been drifting further and further away from that for years.
 
Lord Camomile said:
Huge (and a huge shame) if true.

How reliable do the rumours seem?
Click to expand...
Any rumour is hard to call, but these are people close to the club. Have been more right than wrong in the past.

What lends weight to it is how publicly outspoken Klopp had been against this idea on the record. If he can get more or less any job in football (and he hates this) then I don't doubt it. Also he is well paid but not a money chaser or greedy.
 
Lord Camomile said:
Also, why now? Did someone finally not give into their threats so now they're following through? Or do they think that the current situation makes the SL more viable, and if so, why?
Click to expand...
The Champions League was restructured today so I guess they weren’t happy with what was proposed despite suggesting to UEFA that they were ok with the proposals.
 
Lord Camomile said:
So what is the actual argument of those creating the ESL? What improvements do they propose it'll make?

Yes, we all know what improvements they're actually interested in, but they're not going to say that in public.

Genuinely, what "desire" does he think he's talking about there? Or, rather, what "desire" does he think everyone else will think he's talking about?
Click to expand...

I desire affordable match tickets. Nobody's responding to that.
 
1927 said:
You’ve answered the second issue with your opening statement. If no fan wants to watch exhibition games they’ll want to watch a new style EPL. So tv revenues may be reduced but not disappear. And without the big 6 elevating wages to unsustainable levels the teams that remain won’t need eye watering levels of tv money to assemble a squad.
Click to expand...
exactly this. I saw somebody yesterday saying that these clubs bring "81% of the sponsorship monies". So what? It will readjust. Maybe Benteke would have to make do with only getting 10k a week. It'll be painful for a while I'm sure but it will find its new level.
 
S☼I said:
Source Badgers ?
Click to expand...
No official source. Just spent the day reading all the LFC sources and listened to hours of podcasts.

As I said above he hates the idea ans is one of the most sought after managers in the sport. So why would he stay?

He is not resigning to be clear (as clear as rumour is) but will look to if this goes ahead. The team and the fans love him second only to Shankly and Kenny so it will change the club terribly if this is the case.
 
Dr. Furface said:
I just don't see how a dozen or so European clubs (from only 3 countries so far) playing each other again and again would be enough. As for motivation, well $300 odd million each has been enough to persuade some of the biggest clubs already.
Click to expand...
It’s not £300m each tho. 6 clubs get that, then some get £200m and some £100m, so it seems even in the super league some clubs think they are better than others!
 
strung out said:
Obviously this idea is utterly shit, but can I just point out that the new Champions League format due to be announced by UEFA tomorrow, which this is pre-empting, is almost as bad?

A 36 team league where you only play 10 matches, therefore not actually playing 25 of the teams, but still being ranked in a division with them. Oh, and two spots reserved for 'big'clubs who were too shit to actually qualify on merit.
Click to expand...

And this has turned out to be spot on.

www.bbc.co.uk

Champions League revamp agreed

The revamped 36-team Champions League is agreed with the new format due to start in 2024.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
 
Lord Camomile said:
So what is the actual argument of those creating the ESL? What improvements do they propose it'll make?
Click to expand...

Leaving aside the truth - the creation of a cartel, the protection of profit from football, the creation of a product without real meaning, and the chance to offset covid and other losses - their argument is this:

  • football spends too much time listening to 'legacy fans'
  • football is global and not local
  • the ECL and the UEFA Cup (or Europa League) are legacy competition's
  • fans wants to watch the best teams play each other, with the best players and the clubs rich enough and powerful enough to make it happen
  • this is about the global fan base and supporters of the future. A multi-media platform will allow fans across the world to cheer their team on as they play other teams with a global network of fans and clubs can maximise this revenue via their own media platforms
  • in some, unspecified, way the money swilled into the ESL will find its way down the ladder


I think that about covers it.
 
donkyboy said:
its been made out that the germans are not in because they think its a bad idea. nonsense. if it werent for the rule, Bayern Munich would be in head first.
Click to expand...
Which bit of Bayern Munich thinks it's a good idea? The 75% of the club owned by the fans or the 25% owned by Adidas, Audi, et al.?
 
Smokeandsteam said:
Leaving aside the truth - the creation of a cartel, the protection of profit from football, the creation of a product without real meaning, and the chance to offset covid and other losses - their argument is this:

  • football spends too much time listening to 'legacy fans'
  • football is global and not local
  • the ECL and the UEFA Cup (or Europa League) are legacy competition's
  • fans wants to watch the best teams play each other, with the best players and the clubs rich enough and powerful enough to make it happen
  • this is about the global fan base and supporters of the future. A multi-media platform will allow fans across the world to cheer their team on as they play other teams with a global network of fans and clubs can maximise this revenue via their own media platforms
  • in some, unspecified, way the money swilled into the ESL will find its way down the ladder


I think that about covers it.
Click to expand...
Cheers :thumbs:

I mean, in a way even that's pretty brazen; "our priorities are about expansion and profit, not local fans we've already got".
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

two sheds
Nations League 24-25
2 3 4 5 6
Replies
151
Views
2K
editor
editor
S
Budget against achievements, Premier League 2023-24
Replies
11
Views
446
stavros
S
JimW
National League 2024-2025
2
Replies
42
Views
1K
JimW
JimW
T
Premier league Civil War
2 3 4
Replies
112
Views
3K
Lotte
L
Charles Ufarley
  • Sticky
Fantasy Premier League 2024-25
2 3 4 5
Replies
131
Views
4K
hermitical
hermitical
Back
Top Bottom