Energy problem solved!!!???!!!

[gorski]

It just occurred to me, having seen/read the second link blog, that a combination of the following two ideas might put us on the energy path with zero requirements for oil/coal/etc.

1) http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20120312-wireless-highway-to-charge-cars - Tesla's idea...

+ (1x + Tesla):

2) http://blog.petflow.com/this-invention/

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/solar-roadways

http://www.solarroadways.com/intro.shtml

3) Combine it with these:

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-21925123

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/stor...-breakthrough/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyle...hone-charging/

http://www.technologyreview.com/news...-breakthrough/

http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars...roughs#slide-2 - make sure you keep reading those 10 pages...

etc. etc. etc.

Fuck! The world must change pronto!!! We must demand it in the strongest possible terms with all the politicians/state and corporations, from ourselves!!!

 

[Supine]

Good work. Can you sort out cancer next please.

 

[gorski]

Here's a clue from the title, Supinstein: "!!!???!!!" Missed school altogether?

And this is seriously promising, whether you can see it through your "roughness" or not...

Because asphalt is becoming prohibitively expensive due to the price of petrol, as oil is a relatively slowly diminishing resource, nuclear energy was always seriously expensive (hiding the costs of clean-up and storage of spent fuel rods, as 'strategic resource' [= military shite]), also due to ecological impact of other ways of creating energy, plus the CO2 emissions etc. etc. Hence the interests of the "developed" and "developing" countries are shifting....

Either we collect solar energy in Sahara and similar places > store and then send energy throughout the world or we'll be sending electricity directly to the world - which technically hasn't yet been sorted out, ergo...

We now have the know how, scientifically and technologically - the rest will be down to various interests and how fast they can change...

But also how fast will various Chinas, Indias etc. realise their serious interest in these developments...

We better stay tuned, it seems to me... As a prominent philosopher claimed quite a while back: the crucial question of Modernity is creation and usage of energy!

I wish I could see at least a serious beginning of this in my lifetime!

 

[youngian]

No one has taken up my design for the liposuction Diesel engine. If Diesel engines can work on chip fat they can work on human fat. Us fatties just get a free ride with a suction pipe stuck in our stomach. Not only can we solve the obesity crisis but able to eat more pies and crisps for the good of the country.

 

[gorski]

Oh, dear, fat-clogged up brain comes up with sarcasm, a lazy solution to any and all problems, which leaves you sitting in the sofa forever doing fook all...

You must come out and DO....

 

[Fez909]

I watched this years ago and I think it's still relevant today:



I don't know how to embed playlists and this thing has been split up into 15 minute segments, so go here for the full playlist. It's well worth watching the full thing to see how woefully prepared we are for what's coming, and what we need to do about it.

 

[gorski]

I am watching it now, thanx!

But have you seen and read through the top post links properly?

 

[dessiato]

I suppose that I'm being a bit pogo, but wasn't this topic discussed a short while ago? I seem to remember something similar.

 

[gorski]

I have not seen anything quite like this, when I posted it - you get a list of similar titles before you hit "Post", so...

 

[gorski]

Fez, the esteemed professor is asking for "young people" to get into Science, engineering etc. But if one sees the dates of the top post and Smalley's lecture - he couldn't have seen the top post's promise at the time of his lecture...

Had he seen it, I believe the lecture would have been fundamentally different and he would have died a happier man...

Also, in the meantime, certain breakthroughs in solar energy complex have been made, so...

But I have a lot more to listen through...

 

[WouldBe]

Could we fire some thermocouples into the sun with a long extension lead back to earth?

 

[gorski]

It's already here...

We just need to store it and deliver it, whatever the type of electricity: http://www.germanenergyblog.de/?p=14197

New Energy 'highways' (blue interrupted: direct current new buildings, gray interrupted: alternating current new buildings, blue solid: already under construction, waiting for approval or already approved)

Fuel cells as central energy storage facilities: http://www.fz-juelich.de/SharedDocs...l;jsessionid=F83F3350CB74947F6ECB2D0DBEBC4EC3

The central 'organ' in controversial focus: http://www.germanenergyblog.de/?page_id=283

 

[Supine]

Trees are natures design for capturing solar power. Why don't we just build vehicles than be powered from trees?

Oh wait a minute, I think I just invented steam power!

 

[Fez909]

Fez, the esteemed professor is asking for "young people" to get into Science, engineering etc. But if one sees the dates of the top post and Smalley's lecture - he couldn't have seen the top post's promise at the time of his lecture...

Had he seen it, I believe the lecture would have been fundamentally different and he would have died a happier man...

Also, in the meantime, certain breakthroughs in solar energy complex have been made, so...

But I have a lot more to listen through...

Transportation 'only' uses 20% of the world's energy, and of that 20%, 60% is used for cars, so that gives 12% of overall energy use going to cars. Rechargeable roads will not solve the problem (alone).

 

[Fez909]

Oh wait, you said top post, not top link. Ignore above post, let me have a look through the others.

 

[Fez909]

It just occurred to me, having seen/read the second link blog, that a combination of the following two ideas might put us on the energy path with zero requirements for oil/coal/etc.

1) http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20120312-wireless-highway-to-charge-cars - Tesla's idea...

I addressed this in my post above. Nice idea, but won't help in the grand scheme of things and is incredibly expensive.

2) http://blog.petflow.com/this-invention/

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/solar-roadways

http://www.solarroadways.com/intro.shtml

If you take this things on their own, then it's already MASSIVELY expensive, and there are concerns about the efficiency. They're claiming an efficiency which you don't even get on PV panels on your roof, and that's not even including things like dirt covering the roads, cars (!) covering the roads, and the extra energy use involved in lighting and heating these things. Nice idea, but more a clever concept than a genuine solution to the energy problems we face.

3) Combine it with these:

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-21925123

Unproven, new technology that we have no idea how much energy it will generate or how it would scale up.

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/stor...-breakthrough/

A useful step to move towards greater adoption of renewables, but renewables alone cannot help us (see the Smalley lecture).

http://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyle...hone-charging/

Smartphones are insignificant in worldwide energy use. This is a consumer technology win, not a global energy win.

http://www.technologyreview.com/news...-breakthrough/

Ditto for other consumer tech like laptops.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars...roughs#slide-2 - make sure you keep reading those 10 pages...

etc. etc. etc.

Fuck! The world must change pronto!!! We must demand it in the strongest possible terms with all the politicians/state and corporations, from ourselves!!!

Again with the cars/batteries. Nice, useful, needed...but aren't going to "solve the energy problem".

 

[gorski]

http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1872110_1872133_1872141,00.html

A few years ago, scientists began to calculate just how much energy the Sahara holds. They were astounded at the answer. In theory, a 35,000-sq.-mi. (90,600 sq km) chunk of the Sahara — smaller than Portugal and a little over 1% of its total area — could yield the same amount of electricity as all the world's power plants combined. A smaller square of 6,000 sq. mi. (15,500 sq km) — about the size of Connecticut — could provide electricity for Europe's 500 million people. "I admit I was skeptical until I did the calculations myself," says Michael Pawlyn, director of Exploration Architecture, one of three British environmental companies comprising the Sahara Forest Project, which is testing solar plants in Oman and the United Arab Emirates. Pawlyn calls the Sahara's potential "staggering."

http://www.saharasolarenergy.com/

DESERTEC sadly pulled out of the project, I read but that does not invalidate the idea. The question of improving science and technology...

http://www.upi.com/Business_News/En...t-sunpower-shines-in-gulf/UPI-19571374782894/

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2011/dec/11/sahara-solar-panels-green-electricity

More, if old info but informative, nonetheless: http://inhabitat.com/worlds-largest-solar-project-sahara-desert/

 

[gorski]

Fez, you are missing the essential things I mentioned earlier: this is a US Gov initiative: give us a way of doing it which will pay for itself, over the course of its lifetime. THAT is essential in all this, this is why it IS viable!!!

 

[Fez909]

Trees are natures design for capturing solar power. Why don't we just build vehicles than be powered from trees?

Oh wait a minute, I think I just invented steam power!

"Biomass" is still the biggest renewable energy source used, which I presume means burning wood?

 

[gorski]

Oh, dear...

 

[Fez909]

Fez, you are missing the essential things I mentioned earlier: this is a US Gov initiative: give us a way of doing it which will pay for itself, over the course of its lifetime. THAT is essential in all this, this is why it IS viable!!!

How does that help when China is building a new coal powered power station every week? (or is it every day?)

Plus how many decades would it take to build this road, and then how long to pay back the energy used in its creation and upkeep, never mind the financial cost? Then spread that worldwide.

Sure, the toughened glass roads with flashing lights revolution is just around the corner

 

[gorski]

Yes it is, depending on the countable interests!

You really do not see the wood for the trees!

China full of such roads surely doesn't need a coal powered energy plant every week, what do you think?

Btw, I bet China, India, Mexico, South Africa, Brazil etc. etc. will produce those panels and whole roads way cheaper than US and EU...

 

[Fez909]

Yes it is, depending on the countable interests!

You really do not see the wood for the trees!

China full of such roads surely doesn't need a coal powered energy plant every week, what do you think?

I think you're missing the fundamental flaws in such a technology, which, even if they were 100% efficient, still wouldn't solve our energy problem.

 

[gorski]

And that flaw would be...???

"We, as a nation, could produce three times the power we use", says the co-founder of the solar panel roadways project...

You know, I kinda tend to trust his maths, stuff he worked on for years now, than yours... based on nothing... no offence intended!

 

[gentlegreen]

Tesla - always worth a LOL

Solar Roadways :-

Petnews - that well-known scientific journal.



Thunderf00t is a pain in the arse, but at least he's a proper scientist.

 

[Fez909]

And that flaw would be...???

"We, as a nation, could produce three times the power we use", says the co-founder of the solar panel roadways project...

You know, I kinda tend to trust his maths, stuff he worked on for years now, than yours... based on nothing... no offence intended!

Of course the producer of these things is going to make grandiose claims. He stands to make a mint from it

 

[gorski]

So what if he does? I bet he would. He should. So what? On the other hand, even if he works for a salary alone - I bet he would still do it! I would, if I were him.

And even if they only cover the US - that is great! Even if they cover "only" a third of the US needs - AB FAB!!! There are other renewables!!! All in all it would be a great breakthrough! So, I still think you do not see wood for trees!!!

GG, LOL (I hate this LOL idiocy but I made an exemption in your case ) to you and your "genius" comments...

 

[Fez909]

Each panel costs $7000 to make and it's 12"x12". Their 'plan' involved installing them over 31,000 square miles, which is 864,230,400 panels.

$6,049,612,800,000 to complete this project

 

[gorski]

You really do not see wood for the trees!!!

It's called a long term, gradual investment, whereby the panels are going to pay themselves off during their lifetime.

Water in the ears?

 

[Fez909]

For comparison, US GDP is $16,800,000,000,000