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EM Drive in development that could take us to relatavistic speeds..

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Exciting stuff!

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[T]he EM Drive’s thrust was due to the Quantum Vacuum (the quantum state with the lowest possible energy) behaving like propellant ions behave in a MagnetoHydroDynamics drive (a method electrifying propellant and then directing it with magnetic fields to push a spacecraft in the opposite direction) for spacecraft propulsion.

http://sploid.gizmodo.com/nasa-reveals-new-impossible-engine-can-change-space-t-1614549987

Some sort of Vacuum Backstroke Machine... or maybe like standing in a giant tin can and throwing electric rocks at the front end to push oneself through space that way... which seems like cheating physics in the same way as acheiving flight by pulling your left arm upward using your right hand.
 
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" The microwaves are generated using electricity that can be provided by solar energy."

I wonder how far out of the inner solar system that will get us :hmm:
 
" The microwaves are generated using electricity that can be provided by solar energy."

I wonder how far out of the inner solar system that will get us :hmm:

It would probably give us a pretty good initial push to be fair... in space that counts for a lot. Besides you could also have nuclear engines now that you're using the vacuum itself as a propellant instead of some sort of explody fluid.
 
Will have to read more later. I don't understand the physics but it reminded me of Zero Point Energy. Energy from the vacuum. Which is prosletysed by a few wackos with dodgy science (magnets etc.) I started a thread about it yonks ago...
 
Will have to read more later. I don't understand the physics but it reminded me of Zero Point Energy. Energy from the vacuum. Which is prosletysed by a few wackos with dodgy science (magnets etc.) I started a thread about it yonks ago...

These things depend on the vision of wackos. Zero-point has been described as an elephant attempting to make a pocket watch with wet spagetti. The spagetti definitely exists though and is indeed quite yummy.
 
I wouldn't have anything to do with that misogynist twat.

Aye... I used to like his stuff, but he spends far too much time slagging off 'feminist' idiots, and never (ever) refers to feminist non-idiots, leaving the impression he's just a mysogenist. Also when he lays into Islam he has a way of going on about the West (democracy, free speech etc) that I for one find a bit dodgy and ignorant historically. To "Thunderf00t it" in this case I just meant to reach for some informed skepticism on the subject.
 
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The impossible might be possible after all.

“Impossible? Things are happening every day.” That may have just be a line from a Cinderella movie — until now, as a team of German scientists claims to have measured thrust from an electromagnetic propulsion drive, or EM Drive, an engine previously thought to be “scientifically impossible.” Thanks to the apparent confirmation of the scientific validity of the EM Drive, the research of British scientist Roger Shawyer has now been accepted by the International Academy of Astronautics (IAA) and published in Acta Astronautica. This may just be the most exciting publication in terms of space travel in ages, given that the engine supposedly makes the trip to Mars last just 70 days, and all without the tons and tons of fuel that would normally be required for such a strenuous journey. Instead, the entirety of the EM drive is powered by microwaves, a controversial claim that was previously dubbed ridiculous, but is now gaining credence in the scientific community.

Initially, the idea was dismissed as absurd because the microwave technology violates a fundamental law of physics — that every action must have an equal and opposite reaction. But now, a few new studies, including the one addressed in a paper titled, “Direct Thrust Measurements of an EM Drive and Evaluation of Possible Side-Effects,” have produced results that make Shawyer’s claims seem more and more plausible.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/em-drive-may-be-scientifically-possible-after-all/
 
You have to admire Shawyer's persistence

The creator of a controversial electromagnetic space propulsion technology called EmDrive has finally had a paper peer reviewed and accepted by the International Academy of Astronautics (IAA).

The paper, Second Generation EmDrive Propulsion Applied To SSTO Launcher And Interstellar Probe, by British scientist Roger Shawyer was published in the journal Acta Astronautica and made available online on 10 July.

Shawyer conceptualised and developed the space propulsion technology EmDrive and first presented this in 1999. Shawyer proposes that based on the theory of special relativity, electricity converted into microwaves and fired within a closed cone-shaped cavity causes the microwave particles to exert more force on the flat surface at the large end of the cone (i.e. there is less combined particle momentum at the narrow end due to a reduction in group particle velocity), thereby generating thrust.

Shawyer spent years having his technology ridiculed by the international space science research community and being called a fraud. According to Shawyer, if the technology is ever commercially realised, EmDrive could transform the aerospace industry and potentially solve the energy crisis and climate change, while also speeding up space travel by making it much cheaper to launch satellites and spacecraft into orbit.

His critics say that according to the law of conservation of momentum, his theory cannot work as in order for a thruster to gain momentum in one direction a propellent must be expelled in the opposite direction, and the EmDrive is a closed system. However, Shawyer claims that following fundamental physics involving the theory of special relativity, the EmDrive does in fact preserve the law of conservation of momentum and energy.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/emdrive-ro...lsion-uavs-finally-passes-peer-review-1513223
 
I will be absolutely gobsmacked if this turns out to be real. The implications are incredible.
 
It's still proving a conundrum
Engineer Roger Shawyer’s controversial EM Drive thruster jets back into relevancy this week, as a team of researchers at NASA’s Eagleworks Laboratories recently completed yet another round of testing on the seemingly impossible tech. Though no official peer-reviewed lab paper has been published yet, and NASA institutes strict press release restrictions on the Eagleworks lab these days, engineer Paul March took to the NASA Spaceflight forum to explain the group’s findings. In essence, by utilizing an improved experimental procedure, the team managed to mitigate some of the errors from prior tests — yet still found signals of unexplained thrust.

Flying in the face of traditional laws of physics, the EM Drive makes use of a magnetron and microwaves to create a propellantless propulsion system. By pushing microwaves into a closed, truncated cone and back towards the small end of said cone, the drive creates the momentum and force necessary to propel a craft forward. Because the system is a reactionless drive, it goes against humankind’s fundamental comprehension of physics, hence its controversial nature.
In a new round of testing, NASA confirms yet again that the 'impossible' EMdrive thruster works
 
I remain highly sceptical. The signal is tiny, there is lots of noise, and the device requires a rewrite of physics as we know it to explain itself.
 
I refuse to believe it until it flies, basically. Lab-based experiments have too many external factors.
 
Whatever's going on I hope they get to bottom of it soon. The current situation is annoying.
 
I think it was definitely worth giving a punt. Even just knowing that the EM drive doesn't work as advertised is valuable information in itself. A negative result is still a result.
 
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