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Drinking ban applies to the bus and DLR as well as the tube

Clearly. I've given indications of issues connected to drinking on public transport, other people have suggested that they feel uncomfortable around those drinking, and you're still spouting wibbling nonsense about 'show us the problem' and reductive pish about breath.

As I've said, on numerous occasions, on balance I can understand the ban and don't really mind the inconvenience of having to wait for a beer. . I'm far from a paragon of virtue - I've enjoyed more than the occasional can on the way somewhere - but I'm not busting my balls over having to wait for a short journey to end. It'll make some people happier and it's not a big deal to me.

Now, get off your (juvenile sized) high horse and stop acting the aggressive arse.
 
So no sound reason for it apart from making a few people happy. If you don't need to be shown an actual, quantifiable concern to motivate a change of a rule then fine, discard your judgment with a shrug of your shoulders.
 
It's not my judgement you goon, nor did I call for or implement the policy. And isn't making a significant number of people happier, feel safer and have a more pleasant journey reason enough. I can restrain myself until I get off the tube with that in mind. The new rule isn't that much of a hardship in the wider scheme of things.

Is this smug idiot week or something?
 
tarannau said:
I And isn't making a significant number of people happier, feel safer and have a more pleasant journey reason enough. ?
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Source? Surely to introduce a rule you should have a sound basis for doing so?

Smug idiot? Obviously. Didn't you used to have a clue?
 
The sound basis is that some people clearly object to drinking on PT, that they feel less safe and prefer not to be around alcohol on short journeys if possible. There are plenty of people on this thread who say the same, but you seem to be disregarding their opinions for some reason. A recent IoS survey found significant public support for a ban FWIW (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4159/is_20051106/ai_n15764814)

Not sure why you're so precious about your 'right' to have a beer on short london journeys anyway. Not my policy, nor something that I called for, but it's here I'm not really fussed I've merely said that on balance it isn't a problem to me. Why the jumped up aggression and selective myopia on your side?
 
tarannau said:
The sound basis is that some people clearly object to drinking on PT, that they feel less safe and prefer not to be around alcohol on short journeys if possible.
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But how often do you actually see someone drinking on the underground? And why should someone quietly sucking on a can make you unsafe? Or should we just pander to everyone's perception of what makes them feel unsafe - no matter if their fear is based on reality or not - and ban other potentially disagreeable passengers like hoodies, football fans, loud teens, iffy looking people etc etc?

This notion of legislating on the whim of some people's perceived fears really sets a nasty precedent.

In my experience, daytime drinking on the tube is extraordinarily rare, and even on late night weekend tubes, the percentage actually causing trouble while slugging on a can borders on the microscopic. In most cases, there's rather a jolly atmosphere and I've never been bothered.
 
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In my experience, daytime drinking on the tube is extraordinarily rare, and even on late night weekend tubes, the percentage actually causing trouble while slugging on a can borders on the microscopic. In most cases, there's rather a jolly atmosphere and I've never been bothered.
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Actually there are a fair few swiggers ime, but there again I used to be on the Brixton-Camden journey every day!. And I've seen more than a few unpleasant alcohol related incidents fwiw - 2 of the 3 altercations I've had on PT over many years have involved pissed people, all still drinking in transit.

Sometimes jolly, often not imo. Doesn't tend to bother me if I'm honest, but there again I'm a reasonably sized athletic bloke. Given that it makes some people uncomfortable - and there clearly are real world incidents involving drink on PT - I'm not that fussed with this law being implemented. It's not that much of an issue to get het up about, surely? This isn't the thin end of the wedge, more an understandable minor restriction.

ETA: I can't seem to find that original IoS article, which seems to imply a proper poll rather than a quote selection only. Fecking internet.
 
editor said:
This notion of legislating on the whim of some people's perceived fears really sets a nasty precedent.
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This is exactly my problem with the ban , it's based on peoples perceptions of what someone drinking beer is not what they actually are !
 
tarannau said:
but I'm not busting my balls over having to wait for a short journey to end.
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What do you consider a "short journey" and how do you know that everyone else on the bus is making a short journey . It takes over 1 hour to get to Camden from where I live and I tend to only drink on that journey on my way to a gig . I can understand your support of the ban but I do disagree with your reasons for supporting it .
 
tarannau said:
Actually there are a fair few swiggers ime, but there again I used to be on the Brixton-Camden journey every day!. And I've seen more than a few unpleasant alcohol related incidents fwiw - 2 of the 3 altercations I've had on PT over many years have involved pissed people, all still drinking in transit.
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But the problem is you can't say that the incidents happened because the people were drinking on PT or that if the ban allready existed when they did happen that the incidents wouldn't have taken place . I guess this is going to be one of those things where we wait and see exactly what in the future as to whether the ban works or not .
 
tarannau said:
Given that it makes some people uncomfortable - and there clearly are real world incidents involving drink on PT - I'm not that fussed with this law being implemented.
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Do you think this ban will have any meaningful impact whatsoever in curbing drunken behaviour on the tube?

I don't, therefore the law is pointless, an unnecessary curb of people's right to go about their business lawfully and as such totally indefensible.
 
I still cannot believe people are still banging on about their right to drink on PT. I've heard of ignorance but this takes the cake!
What about my right to be on PT and not have someone drinking around me?
 
Homeless Mal said:
I still cannot believe people are banging on about their right to drink on PT. I've heard of ignorance but this takes the cake!

What about my right to be on PT and not have someone drinking around me?
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which in basic terms is your 'right' to determine what is and isn't acceptable according to your own unsupportable prejudices.
 
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which in basic terms is your 'right' to determine what is and isn't acceptable according to your own unsupportable prejudices.
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People who expect and have the right to travel without having someone swigging on a can, or a bottle will always outnumber those who want to drink on public transport. Always.
 
Homeless Mal said:
People who expect and have the right to travel without having someone swigging on a can, or a bottle will always outnumber those who want to drink on public transport. Always.
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and who are in turn outnumbered by people who don't care whether someone else has a drink or not
 
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and who are in turn outnumbered by people who don't care whether someone else has a drink or not
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I think you are wrong. You'd have to do a proper test! Do some test runs. Start it light with a couple of people swigging on cans, then up it a bit to some gobby people swigging on cans, and then let it kick of with some totally hammered people swigging on cans, puking in the corner, leering, grabbing your wife's breats, or just being a nuisance. All these scenarios are possible.

Then see if the numbers match your claims.
 
Homeless Mal said:
People who expect and have the right to travel without having someone swigging on a can, or a bottle will always outnumber those who want to drink on public transport. Always.
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You'd have thought there would have been at least some sort of demand for the ban before it was brought in then, which I certainly never heard a peep of.
 
Monkeygrinder's Organ said:
You'd have thought there would have been at least some sort of demand for the ban before it was brought in then, which I certainly never heard a peep of.
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That's cos most people don't complain and just put up with unacceptable behaviour. I know I have. Just because things are a certain way doesn't mean they are right and are what the majority want.
 
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exactly

his whole arguement is that a 'silent majority' support him.
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whereas in fact my court defense will be that the silent majority support disembowelling his £465k-worth of cronies and garotting Boris with their entrails.

(Actually, he's not doing badly. One month and nearly half-a-million of cronies. So, in a four-year term, that's £24M of cronies. How quickly will he beat Ken?)
 
Homeless Mal said:
You need to think that to back up your argument. Didn't see riots demanding this be scrapped (I don't count the palava at Liverpool St as one - if anything that's a reason to ban the booze). :rolleyes:
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If we're going to use that as a criteria, I didn't see riots demanding this law, did you?
 
I'd be interested to know whether this is going to be applied to the overland trains as well? The TFL website is strangley quiet on the whole subject of the drinking ban.
 
miss giggles said:
Actually, I agree with Tarranau. I think it's a populist tactic. I don't care much for banning things but I'm struuggling to disagree with this one. The smoking ban was much more outragous.
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That is pure fucking gold. A ban on something that damages the health of people around you is 'outrageous', yet you support a ban on something that, in itself, has no effect on other people.
 
Homeless Mal said:
People who expect and have the right to travel without having someone swigging on a can, or a bottle will always outnumber those who want to drink on public transport. Always.
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Seeing as you have provided absolutely no reasoning whatsoever to support your supposed 'right to travel without [being in the company of] someone swigging on a can', I might just as reasonably assert my right to travel 'without sitting next to people doing sodoku' or 'without overhearing somebody using the word superfluous'.

Some people have argued a point, whereas you have done no more than say 'I think this is bad'.
 
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