Do angry vegans turn you against going vegan?

[8ball]

You're doing that us and them thing again. Even though you put quote marks around 'sides' doesn't alter that.

I think talking about ‘sides’ is fair enough, just not if you try to lump *everyone* into the set.

For example, I think it would be valid to put, say, Joey Carbstrong and his fans on the opposite side to the guy who follows him around chewing on a dead pig’s head.

I also think it would be valid to take both of these people (and their fans), and place them on one a side together, with sane people on the other one.

 

[existentialist]

I don't doubt there are vegans who aren't preachy. But i've not met any which is a shame because common ground could help campaign against what both 'sides' agree: end abusive industrial farming.

People that say vegans don't deserve to live are just fucking idiots.

The problem is that the preachy ones tend to stick in our minds more. I know a few people who lead vegan lifestyles (for various reasons), but who don't make any particular point of mentioning it. And I know some who do consider it their mission to spread understanding, but who manage to do so without being hectoring or intolerant. And I know some vegans who are cunts about it. They're in the minority, but they are definitely the ones who make themselves most noticeable (and memorable ).

And, actually, as a vegetarian, one of the things that really tits me off is the assumption, because I'm veggie (and need to identify as such sometimes) that I am somehow trying to "convert" others. Because I couldn't really give that much of a damn what other people eat, mostly.

 

[grit]

Yes, no and maybe.

We've access to so many things in regular super markets if you don't mind cooking it.

precisely, there is plenty of choice just a severe lack of education around nutrition and cooking well.

 

[8ball]

precisely, there is plenty of choice just a severe lack of education around nutrition and cooking well.

Is there really this lack of education, though? There is certainly no lack of information (though the information is very 'noisy').
Where do you think this is most lacking (let's say your resources for making a change are limited so it has to be something simple)?

 

[Saul Goodman]

Is there really this lack of education, though? There is certainly no lack of information (though the information is very 'noisy').
Where do you think this is most lacking (let's say your resources for making a change are limited so it has to be something simple)?

I think the problem is that too many people would rather be instagramming photos of their pie and chips to their friends than learning how to cook.

 

[8ball]

I think the problem is that too many people would rather be instagramming photos of their pie and chips to their friends than learning how to cook.

So long as it's a real pie and not a casserole with the little pastry hat, I have few qualms with that.

 

[Saul Goodman]

So long as it's a real pie and not a casserole with the little pastet hat, I have few qualms with that.

It was a vegan steak pie.

 

[Rivendelboy]

Is there really this lack of education, though? There is certainly no lack of information (though the information is very 'noisy').
Where do you think this is most lacking (let's say your resources for making a change are limited so it has to be something simple)?

there's certainly a lack of quality information and an insistence on outdated wisdom

 

[8ball]

It was a vegan steak pie.

But was it a REAL vegan steak pie?

 

[8ball]

there's certainly a lack of quality information and an insistence on outdated wisdom

If you type "how to learn to cook" into Google, there seem to be some quite decent results near the top of the 579,000,000 results returned.

 

[Saul Goodman]

If you type "how to learn to cook" into Google, there seem to be some quite decent results near the top of the 579,000,000 results returned.

That's fine if you want to learn how to cook but people don't want to learn how to cook. I'm sure there are plenty of people who fondly recall that cooking is something their grandmother used to do.

 

[8ball]

That's fine if you want to learn how to cook but people don't want to learn how to cook. I'm sure there are plenty of people who fondly recall that cooking is something their grandmother used to do.

Indeed. Got to wonder how much of that is ‘lack of education’ and how much relates to other influences.

 

[Rivendelboy]

If you type "how to learn to cook" into Google, there seem to be some quite decent results near the top of the 579,000,000 results returned.

I was referring to nutrition, not just how to cook food

 

[Saul Goodman]

Indeed. Got to wonder how much of that is ‘lack of education’ and how much relates to other influences.

It's lack of education insofar as they're too busy tweeting and instagramming to spend a few minutes educating themselves on how to cook. Too many people would prefer to throw a tray of processed shite into the microwave than miss this week's thrilling episode of Love Island.

 

[farmerbarleymow]

And, actually, as a vegetarian, one of the things that really tits me off is the assumption, because I'm veggie (and need to identify as such sometimes) that I am somehow trying to "convert" others. Because I couldn't really give that much of a damn what other people eat, mostly.

Sounds similar to gay people accused of 'shoving it down peoples' throats' by being open about being gay. Basic intolerance of difference.

 

[gentlegreen]

What is this "cooking" of which you speak ?

 

[8ball]

I was referring to nutrition, not just how to cook food

That’s easier to find than the cooking bit, surely?

 

[Proper Tidy]

If it's not judging people for what they eat it's getting judgey over how they prepare it. Going to get half a dozen rustler QPs on way home out of spite now

 

[8ball]

If it's not judging people for what they eat it's getting judgey over how they prepare it. Going to get half a dozen rustler QPs on way home out of spite now

If it’s not that it’s judging people for judging people for their lack of cooking skills. Or their lack of inclination to cook.

Whoever “they” are.

 

[UnderOpenSky]

That’s easier to find than the cooking bit, surely?

Well you'll find something I'm sure. In amungst the weirdos who sell clean eating, keto, Paleo and what ever else is doing the rounds this week.

 

[8ball]

Well you'll find something I'm sure. In amungst the weirdos who sell clean eating, keto, Paleo and what ever else is doing the rounds this week.

Yeah, the issue is the amount of crap information, not the availability of information as such.

Personally, I'd tweak the average of the 'standard' advice and nudge it to a bit more pulses and nuts (more protein in general really), and a warning away from refined carbs except on special occasions. That's just my opinion, obv.

 

[Rivendelboy]

That’s easier to find than the cooking bit, surely?

Proper nutrition advice isn't given out easily at all. There are still ideas that are out of date people cling to and the likes of the NHS peddle, still

 

[Rivendelboy]

Well you'll find something I'm sure. In amungst the weirdos who sell clean eating, keto, Paleo and what ever else is doing the rounds this week.

Such bullshit

 

[Rivendelboy]

Yeah, the issue is the amount of crap information, not the availability of information as such.

Personally, I'd tweak the average of the 'standard' advice and nudge it to a bit more pulses and nuts (more protein in general really), and a warning away from refined carbs except on special occasions. That's just my opinion, obv.

why would special occasions make refined carbs ok?

 

[8ball]

Such bullshit

Indeed. Heaps of it obscuring any useful messages.

 

[UnderOpenSky]

Such bullshit

And here comes one of them. If a diet is only fit for a privagled westener because of cost and that actually the earth couldn't support everyone switching to it, then that's the bullshit as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Rivendelboy]

Indeed. Heaps of it obscuring any useful messages.

I asked you a question, can you answer it?

 

[8ball]

I asked you a question, can you answer it?

Sorry, I thought it was some kind of satire.

 

[UnderOpenSky]

I also think all these zealots seem to miss that humans are incredibly adaptable. I mean we've managed to colonise almost every ecological nich going and survive.

 

[8ball]

I also think all these zealots seem to miss that humans are incredibly adaptable. I mean we've managed to colonise almost every ecological nich going and survive.

I, for instance, live in an undersea volcanic vent, and subsist entirely on methane and hydrogen sulphide.