Do angry vegans turn you against going vegan?

[Rivendelboy]

Personally, I contested that with no carbs at all you would get sick pretty quickly.
In the sense of side effects of your body being in a particular state, rather than the classic 'deficiency disease' (scurvy, rickets etc.).

I'd be interested in any decently detailed evidence involving someone's experience of a diet with zero carbs for an extended period.

As opposed to ones like this where the writer is still eating a lot of carbs, just cutting out bread, pasta and the usual stuff. And then got kinda sick, but that's by the by.


* - going with the mathematical definition of the term

The most famous ones I'm aware of are Dr Shawn Baker and Amber o Hearn. If you're genuinely interested you can check them out. They are at the forefront of promoting it.

 

[8ball]

The most famous ones I'm aware of are Dr Shawn Baker and Amber o Hearn. If you're genuinely interested you can check them out. They are at the forefront of promoting it.

Both of these people eat carbs, and promote diets with carbs in.
If you have any details at all of them trying to go totally carb-free, a link would be appreciated.

This might help.

 

[Rivendelboy]

Both of these people eat carbs, and promote diets with carbs in.
If you have any details at all of them trying to go totally carb-free, a link would be appreciated.

This might help.

then i can't help you in your ridiculous gotcha attempt that doesn't address any of the claims this pertains to.

 

[Proper Tidy]

That's false. Carbs are completely non essential, is just that eating zero is not easy

Christ. Completely non essential says an internet loon with brittle bones and kidney stones. Fucks sake.

 

[8ball]

Christ. Completely non essential says an internet loon with brittle bones and kidney stones. Fucks sake.

You are shitting me, surely.

But anyway, small sample size. I'm mostly interested in whether anyone has ever gone without ANY carbs for a fairly long time (6 months plus). Referring to biochemical pathways only gets you so far.

The line between "essential" and "strongly advised" is kind of fuzzy, I'm mostly curious to see whether someone has seriously tried.

 

[Rivendelboy]

Christ. Completely non essential says an internet loon with brittle bones and kidney stones. Fucks sake.

This is ridiculous, why would I have either of those things? Where Have I said I don't eat carbs? You're beyond stupid and clearly illiterate

 

[Proper Tidy]

This is ridiculous, why would I have either of those things?

Carbs are completely non essential

Dickhead

 

[Rivendelboy]

Dickhead

Cunt

 

[Rivendelboy]

You are shitting me, surely.

But anyway, small sample size. I'm mostly interested in whether anyone has ever gone without ANY carbs for a fairly long time (6 months plus). Referring to biochemical pathways only gets you so far.

The line between "essential" and "strongly advised" is kind of fuzzy, I'm mostly curious to see whether someone has seriously tried.

Go and do some research then. It's of no interest to me at all

 

[Poot]

Go and do some research then. It's of no interest to me at all

Yeah it sounded like you had no interest in it. That's why you didnt post about it at all.

 

[8ball]

Yeah it sounded like you had no interest in it. That's why you didnt post about it at all.

Weirdsville.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Please do not feed the trolls (carbs).

 

[8ball]

Please do not feed the trolls (carbs).

Maybe the trolls just need some more carbs.

 

[andysays]

Please list those health problems

Causes you to be a serial banned returner on Urban and post a whole load of incoherent and nonsensical shit, at least in your case.

 

[Orang Utan]

Good article here:
Why do people hate vegans?

 

[8ball]

Good article here:
Why do people hate vegans?

It turns out vegan really is the new black.

 

[Rivendelboy]

Good article here:
Why do people hate vegans?

because their preaching is based on poor evidence and oftentimes hypocritical.

No one should be punched because of their diet though.

Unfortunately toxic masculinity has been conflated with diet. Hence the popularity of arseholes like Joe Rogan and professional conman Petersen and his disgstuing scumbag of a daughter. She's his manager, she claims she eats a beef only diet (which isn't =/=carnivore diet) and so he started promoting it. I don't for one second believe that's what they eat. She's a professional con artist.

However that doesn't alter the evidence: animal nutrition is superior

 

[8ball]

No one should be punched because of their diet though.

Pineapple on pizza.

 

[8ball]

Unfortunately toxic masculinity has been conflated with diet. Hence the popularity of arseholes like Joe Rogan and professional conman Petersen and his disgstuing scumbag of a daughter. She's his manager, she claims she eats a beef only diet (which isn't =/=carnivore diet) and so he started promoting it. I don't for one second believe that's what they eat. She's a professional con artist.

Minor point of order
When you recover after having both your ankles replaced due to something diagnosed as rheumatoid arthritis, I can see how you'd get enthusiastic about the thing that caused the apparent change (though in reality I think it is nothing more than an extreme elimination diet). This assumes the previous is true of course, I'd think it easy enough to find out whether Peterson's daughter was ever really ill.

Also, her father's review of the diet, ie. "I wouldn't wish it on anybody" could be interpreted as less than glowing.

A familial sensitivity to something common in a lot of American foodstuffs seems likely.

The weird toxic masculinity vs. veganism thing is undeniable - I'm just not sure it applies to that particular example.

 

[Orang Utan]

However that doesn't alter the evidence: animal nutrition is superior

But that's a meaningless statement

 

[Proper Tidy]

Pineapple on pizza.

Also cannibals

 

[8ball]

But that's a meaningless statement

It's certainly a statement that needs unpacking.

 

[Rivendelboy]

It's certainly a statement that needs unpacking.

complete proteins, better bioavailability, better sources of nutrients. Liver for example is very strong.

 

[Orang Utan]

complete proteins, better bioavailability, better sources of nutrients. Liver for example is very strong.

Vitamin C and others might be a problem

 

[Poot]

Superior to what?

 

[gentlegreen]

Vitamin C and others might be a problem

The meatheads counter that by suggesting they need less vitamin C ...
Of course the loss of the ability to synthesise it came from a time when mammals like us ate loads more fruit and green things ...

Can you eat too much liver? - Google Search

 

[Rivendelboy]

Vitamin C and others might be a problem

Doens't appear to be. But then I don't advocate eating only meat. The zero carb/carnivore crowd argue that the lack of carbs means less vitamin c is required because of some shared pathway. That's the simplistic answer, I have no idea if it's true because it's not relevant to me. I don't know of any advocate of that diet who suffers a deficiency. If there are they are not coming forward so who knows.

 

[8ball]

complete proteins, better bioavailability, better sources of nutrients. Liver for example is very strong.

That's of pretty limited usefulness unless you want to live on a severely restricted range of food.
The "complete protein" thing is especially iffy.

 

[Rivendelboy]

That's of pretty limited usefulness unless you want to live on a severely restricted range of food.
The "complete protein" thing is especially iffy.

who is living on a severely restricted range of food?

 

[Rivendelboy]

That's of pretty limited usefulness unless you want to live on a severely restricted range of food.
The "complete protein" thing is especially iffy.

It refers to the amino acid content