Do angry vegans turn you against going vegan?
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Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
I didn't get any popcorn with my last order of popcorn chicken neither 
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
Baronage-Phase
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Don't knock em till you try em.
That looks really good.
mr steev
magic thought wizard
When done right they are lovely, a satisfying chewy texture with a bit of a crunch. When done badly they are not so great, squishy cauliflower covered in sauce
8ball
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Although that pretty much describes cauliflower cheese.
I don't know whether there is a vegan cheese which makes good caulflower cheese tbf.
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
Somewhat annoyed by this sort of crap. Speaking as one who got obese and diabetic on a mostly vegan, mostly WFPB diet - I certainly consider the vegan diet to be the most moral diet and it's potentially a very healthy diet.
The people who run this outfit are type 1 diabetics and serious athletes and live on a massively exotic / expensive largely raw fruit diet.
It's perpetuating the bollocks that all you need to do to fix diabetes is go WFPB.
"Caloric restriction" is taboo in these circles, but the person in these photos has clearly been eating fewer calories and has lost a heck of a lot of weight.
You will never see vegan nutritionists acknowledging the Newcastle study for diabetes control where they used a crash diet based on yucky dairy diet shakes.
The people who run this outfit are type 1 diabetics and serious athletes and live on a massively exotic / expensive largely raw fruit diet.
It's perpetuating the bollocks that all you need to do to fix diabetes is go WFPB.
"Caloric restriction" is taboo in these circles, but the person in these photos has clearly been eating fewer calories and has lost a heck of a lot of weight.
You will never see vegan nutritionists acknowledging the Newcastle study for diabetes control where they used a crash diet based on yucky dairy diet shakes.
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8ball
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Testimonial "evidence" with health stuff is a red flag imo, especially when someone is shilling a "cure".
I got diagnosed with peripheral neuropathy by a GP, which later got fixed by a chiropodist, weirdly enough.*
Not hard to see how a little less honesty and a lot more greed in such a case could be a good money maker.
* - Yes, this is technically testimonial "evidence", but only in that I didn't really have anything incurable. I just happened to mention the numbness and intermittent burning to the chirpodist at the time. Tension in a tendon causing a nerve to be stretched, or something like that.
I got diagnosed with peripheral neuropathy by a GP, which later got fixed by a chiropodist, weirdly enough.*
Not hard to see how a little less honesty and a lot more greed in such a case could be a good money maker.
* - Yes, this is technically testimonial "evidence", but only in that I didn't really have anything incurable. I just happened to mention the numbness and intermittent burning to the chirpodist at the time. Tension in a tendon causing a nerve to be stretched, or something like that.
Mastering Diabetes...sounds like a course in NLP ffs
you want a cure? Low carb will sort that out. If only the NHS would wake the fuck up instead of promoting this 5 a day rubbish.
you want a cure? Low carb will sort that out. If only the NHS would wake the fuck up instead of promoting this 5 a day rubbish.
8ball
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I just saw the bit about tea - maybe that’s what fixed me. Though I still think it was really the chiropodist...
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
The Newcastle study fixed type 2 by caloric restriction and weight loss - your choice if you want to eat small amounts of fat versus larger amounts of carbs.
veggies are bad now ?
"5 a day" ? One time I bothered to check I was on about 20 ...
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existentialist
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gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
I'm guessing even that might not be her actual name, but I thought it better to mask her identity.
The reason I felt obliged to post it elsewhere is because on "mastering diabetes", comments are filtered to favour sycophants.
The site is heavily plugged in "Vegan Diabetics".
Personally I have so far failed to get my questions about my own condition answered ANYWHERE.
weight loss is a by product of a low carb diet. No real need to restrict calories (within reason).
I didn't say veggies were bad. I said 5 a day is rubbish. It's a silly marketing tool. It's essentially vapid and unscientific. What you need are nutrients
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
so fat doesn't make you heavier ?
sounds just as bonkers as the "carbs don't make you fat" loons.And "nutrients" is exactly my focus - and actually the MD people too - they're simply in weird denial that their patients are actually eating fewer calories.
Baronage-Phase
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Actually, fat is necessary in your diet. Just not so much saturated fat.
SheilaNaGig
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Unfortunately, it’s not that simple. Current thinking is that saturated fats are not necessarily bad for us.
Saturated Fat: Good or Bad?
ETA I’m not arguing against veganism here. Just wanting to point out that we still don’t have any definitive clarity on this issue.
Baronage-Phase
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Proper Tidy
Arsed
Losing weight is calories out being more than calories in and talking about restricting one food group as the only way is bollocks. Sure it works for some people, won't work for others, stop being weird about food. Also carbs are fucking ace.
Poot
My wife thinks I work too hard
Innit. Depends how much exercise you do. I couldn't live without carbs.
8ball
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Every Personal Trainer Ever said:
You get sick pretty quickly without *any* carbs, so no arguments re: the second part.
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Proper Tidy
Arsed
I just wouldn't want to. Life is too short
8ball
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Sometimes. Definitely for most endurance athletes. When you need to use heaps of calories and also carry your food with you, you need to go low-weight:energy-dense. Ever see those Arctic explorer types chewing on bars of butter as they go?
Carbs are also a mainstay of most “comfort foods”. Which is part of why I end up eating way too much.
Also, the reason most personal trainers say what they do is because the bulk of their clientele *aren’t* mad keen on exercise.
But it holds true for most people with fairly sedentary Western lifestyles.
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
I realised recently that normal weight people who don't exercise might need to consciously pay attention to their protein intake because they don't eat so much food ...for myself, on top of a moderately active job, I burn 700kcals a day on the bike ... as it happens that's roughly the size of my caloric deficit judging by my rate of weight loss - but I already replaced rice in my evening meal with beans.
That's false. Carbs are completely non essential, is just that eating zero is not easyYou get sick pretty quickly without *any* carbs, so no arguments re: the second part.
Poot
My wife thinks I work too hard
They are essential if you exercise.
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
If you're marooned in the Arctic and all you have is blubber to eat, it might keep you alive, but you owe it to the people you share bathroom facilities with to eat normal food - and to yourself to allow a little joy into your diet.
Apparently athletes sometimes go low carb to optimise their fat metabolism for intermediate energy supply, but no way does Chris Froome fuel up on lard for a race.
One brilliant thing about carbs is how incredibly cheap they are.
Most successful cultures get the bulk of their calories from carbs (mostly grain).
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SheilaNaGig
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Butter is a really good source of butyric acid, which is a very good thing.
ETA
It looks very much like butyric acid is helpful for diabetics. And if auto-immune conditions are gut related or gut biome related (they often are) the butyric acid seems to be helpful there too.
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Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
It's true that there isn't an absolute consensus on the link between saturated fat and cardiovascular disease (there rarely is in nutrition science) but there is still quite a lot of evidence suggesting a link. Furthermore there have been no studies to my knowledge that have claimed that swapping out saturated fat for unsaturated fat increases the risk in heart disease. In light of this, it makes sense to err on the side of caution and to aim to consume fat from unsaturated sources rather than saturated sources, other things being equal.
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