Did Palestine really exist?

[GarfieldLeChat]

Despite that being clearly your 'considered' opinion for a whole thread, plus more, you still feel it necessary to tell us all that all over again!

anything to add to the thread topic rather than these off topic personal asides?

 

[Lock&Light]

anything to add to the thread topic rather than these off topic personal asides?

What kind of comment do you want? One like this, perhaps: "More generalised nonsense from a pimp of pap."

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

What kind of comment do you want? One like this, perhaps: "More generalised nonsense from a pimp of pap."

it's reallly simple chap moono has been commenting on the thread and is clearly frustrated by the nonsense being repeadlty spouted by one aprticualr poster whom is being disengenious and decietful in their comments when reality and general consensious is against them. However you are not commenting on the subject matter at all but on the poster, so whenare you going to play the ball not the man and comment on the topic matter ???

 

[moono]

Yo.

 

[Lock&Light]

However you are not commenting on the subject matter at all ......

What makes you think that?

I happen to be reading "The History of the Middle East" by Peter Mansfield, and he says, and I quote, '....... the Philistines, who settled on the coastal plain, giving their name to the region: Palestine ('falastin' in Arabic).

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

What makes you think that?

oh nothing....

except this...

Despite that being clearly your 'considered' opinion for a whole thread, plus more, you still feel it necessary to tell us all that all over again!

 

[Lock&Light]

oh nothing....

except this...

Please yourself, Garf. You always do anyway.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Please yourself, Garf. You always do anyway.

again you might just take the comment on board cosider how your comments are recieved in the wider world than your head and merely say oh right this is what they mean ... and move on... of course it's always the fault of those whom perceive it right, no culpabilty on your side....

sort it arrrrggghhhhtttt

 

[astronaut]

Incidentally, I can't locate a thread which you've initiated. Are you some form of lame duck reservist support or purely a cyberparasite ? Just interested. Lol.

Yeah, L&L, don't you know that the measure of a man is how much drivel he posts?

Jeez

 

[moono]

The term is ' generalised nonsense' for pap pimps . Let's review an example;

Only a fantasist would really believe Hizbollah "chased" Israel out of Lebanon.

Who spake this pap ?

 

[astronaut]

 

[Louloubelle]

I don't really want to get too involved with this thread but I can't believe that anyone is asking did palestine really exist.

A quick perusal of the map section of ebay provides a conclusive answer

http://antiques.search.ebay.co.uk/m...efZC12QQfromZR40QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQsacatZ98458

 

[Roadkill]

Agree with your sentiments Louloubelle, but IMO it's not at all surprising that some are asking whether Palestine existed or not. After all, if they can convince themselves that it did not, then (in their eyes) the Palestinians have no justifiable claim to the land and Israel is not in illegal occupation of another land.

The OP asked on another thread whether history mattered. This thread is a perfect illustration of why it does matter, because questions such as this can only be resolved with reference to the past.

 

[astronaut]

A quick perusal of the map section of ebay provides a conclusive answer

That's the problem - these maps satisfy both sides - the anti-Israel side will say, yes there was a Palestine, and the pro-Israel side will say, Palestine include much of fertile Jordan (including Amman), and big chunks of Syria and Lebanon. Also, they can argue that there was no political body called Palestine - it was a region, like the Balkans. So, these maps are far from conclusive.

 

[moono]

That's the problem - these maps satisfy both sides

Surely that's Dumpty heaven, both sides satisfied ?

Louloubelle isn't alone in questioning the topic but it's served to allow the Zionloons a platform which everyone has found amusing.

 

[tangentlama]

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?apage=1&cid=1149572639914&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull
Check the above^^
Daniel Pipes telling Israel where She's going wrong.
8 pages of enemy-crushing, war-mongering, territory-grabbing, occupation-favouring, Israel-endangering twaddle from the King of Shmat, Middle-Eastern 'authority', Daniel Pipes.
37 Comments well worth a read!

Daniel Pipes has been the foremost 'authority' who has been pushing the 'There never was a Palestine': Nonetheless, no such place exists.

 

[rachamim18]

Garfield: The "Barrier" is not "illegal." In fact, America is in the midst of arranging funding for the very same thing on its southern border with Mexico. Nations have the express right to fortify their borders. In addition, the figures do not lie. the "Barrier" has caused a drop of 94%! If it inconviences a small number of "Palestinians," sorry. Having C4 go off in Sbarros does far worse to Israelis. If they truly find the "Barrier" so unpalatable, they should agitate for their government to put a stop to the violence against Israeli civilians.

"Choking farmers." Really? That is what it was? Looks to me like a law enforcement officer restraining an unruly person.

 

[Lock&Light]

Garfield: The "Barrier" is not "illegal." In fact, America is in the midst of arranging funding for the very same thing on its southern border with Mexico.

America's planned fence will not be built on Mexican land.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Garfield: The "Barrier" is not "illegal." In fact, America is in the midst of arranging funding for the very same thing on its southern border with Mexico. Nations have the express right to fortify their borders. In addition, the figures do not lie. the "Barrier" has caused a drop of 94%! If it inconviences a small number of "Palestinians," sorry. Having C4 go off in Sbarros does far worse to Israelis. If they truly find the "Barrier" so unpalatable, they should agitate for their government to put a stop to the violence against Israeli civilians.

"Choking farmers." Really? That is what it was? Looks to me like a law enforcement officer restraining an unruly person.

is that what it looks like to you ... unruly would be classified as walkin gon his own land would it?

it's and illegal apartide wall... in the eye's of the world an the international communitiy period...

 

[rachamim18]

Moono: There was no unilateral ceasefire Moono. It was parcel to the Sharm el Sheikh Agreement mediated by the PA. Of the major militant groups, only PIJ refused to sign off. Of all the groups, none abided by the agreement. Again, please get your facts straight.

As for Hizbollah [one word Moono, think "contraction"], domestic pressure [which I stated by the way] is not the same as Hizbollah kicking Israel out. Israel left on its own accord. As for losses, you are mistaken. I had the pleasure of doing Reserve duty their one tour. We had comkpletely self sufficient posts, complete with indoor basketball courts . The walls were 8 feet thick and reinforced. Their pissant mortars were like pebbles. Their Grads only caused a rumble. As I also stated, Israel correctly believed that it was much more advantageous to take a strictly defensive posture on the border rather than supercede it and operate from a proactive stance.

Even Arab military analysts believe [correctly] that with nothing hindering its operational capabilities, Israel would totally destroy the organisation within 5 days. Israel never sought annihilation, it sought a safety corridor to enable those Israelis living within firing range of Grads to live their lives as normally as possible. just look at the crossborder action 2 weeks ago! Israel took what it wanted and all Hizbollah could do is complain that it was being victimised.

LouLouBelle: Of course the Ebay map says that. All maps do since about 200 CE/AD. As stated, it is because the romans, who ruled it, renamed it that. howqever, it is not a question of whether or not a map says that, but if a political entity or people by that name stood there. The answer is a big NO. there have never been an Arab group called "Palestinians" UNTIL 1948. There has never been a nation called "Palestine." The only organic nation to stand there was Judea, a Jewish kingdom.

 

[astronaut]

America's planned fence will not be built on Mexican land.

Well that's pretty debateble.

 

[rachamim18]

Lock: One, Israel is only doing so on 4% of the "Barrier," and secondly the "West Bank" is not paret of any nation. Israel is administering it and the "Barrier" is not considered by Israel to be a final border.

Also, Cali, Arizona, N. Mexico, and Texas were all Mexican land that America stole.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Lock: One, Israel is only doing so on 4% of the "Barrier," and secondly the "West Bank" is not paret of any nation. Israel is administering it and the "Barrier" is not considered by Israel to be a final border.

Also, Cali, Arizona, N. Mexico, and Texas were all Mexican land that America stole.

if we are going down that route to are all the states.... i mean if you ask the antive americans...

 

[rachamim18]

Garfield: Yes, very true.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Garfield: Yes, very true.

see for me i can't understand why more land isn't these day's ceded back to the native americans other than the usless reservations you'd have to agree rach that the system of reservations is really just a museum piece of how the west was once wild, it's almost a perpetuated insult. sure theycan leave the reservations and intergrate in to the european based culture but that means in effect being absorbed with out retainign the unquie and diverse things which made them cultrall indiviual, it's the same with the aborigins in austrailia really...

 

[moono]

Rachamim;

think "contraction", domestic pressure [which I stated by the way] is not the same as Hizbollah kicking Israel out. Israel left on its own accord.

Lol. 'Contracted' by choice, did you ? You just left your muppets to guard your arses while you sloped off. The Americans did the same with the South Vietnamese.

Safe in your concrete bunkers were you ? Lol.

BBC 2000

Israeli forces have withdrawn from southern Lebanon - ending 22 years of occupation.

Hezbollah guerrillas swept south to fill the vacuum, following the near total collapse of Israel's allied militia, the South Lebanon Army (SLA).

An army officer in northern Israel described the pull-out as a "complete success". He said troops had abandoned all their positions with no casualties.

Many Israeli military posts in south Lebanon were blown up as convoys ferried hundred of soldiers across the frontier.

The withdrawal - six weeks ahead of schedule - left Israel's SLA allies in disarray.

On Wednesday morning, some 180 SLA members surrendered to Lebanese police in Marjayoun, the former headquarters of both Israel and the SLA forces, as Hezbollah moved in.


The SLA chief, General Antoine Lahd, who is in Metulla, is under a sentence of death for treason if he returns to Lebanon.

More than 1,000 Lebanese, mostly SLA men and their families, have crossed the border seeking safety from possible reprisals from Hezbollah.

Israel has offered shelter to more than 5,000 Lebanese.

"They are getting visas and they have one year to decide if they want to live in Israel or Lebanon or start a new life abroad. It's entirely their choice," an Israeli Interior Ministry spokesman said.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/761582.stm

 

[rachamim18]

Garfield: I absolutely agree with you. Native Peoples all over the world have been systematically exterminated by Europeans. the future of the planet is in the hands of non-whites and I have no problem at all with it. High time.

Moono: You really gave me a good laugh. I meant "contraction" in terms of the Arabic word you messed up, not mercenaries [sic]. Hizbollah [Party of Allah] is one word, not two.

Yes, many SLA gladly came to Israel...So what? MAny more Lebanese hate Hizbollah and know them to be the Syrian and Iranian stooges they are.

 

[moono]

Rachamim;

Moono: You really gave me a good laugh. I meant "contraction" in terms of the Arabic word you messed up, not mercenaries [sic]. Hizbollah [Party of Allah] is one word, not two.

You're rambling, Rachamim. I think that the lies might be slowly rotting your concentration.

Hizb Allah ? You mean the bunch that kicked the Zionists and their muppets out of Lebanon ?

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Garfield: I absolutely agree with you. Native Peoples all over the world have been systematically exterminated by Europeans. the future of the planet is in the hands of non-whites and I have no problem at all with it. High time.

could this not be anaylougious though with the situation with in isreal and palestine?

 

[rachamim18]

Garfield: Yes of course it is except you have mistaken who the indigenous inhabitants are. Jews predate Arabs there by 2500 years.