Did Palestine really exist?

[nino_savatte]

Perhaps a neutral person could now appear, and point out that I made no comment about nino's incorrect spelling of Dalriada until he chose to claim that I had spelt it wrong.

Still flogging a dead horse eh? And this coming from the man who can't spell "Nebuchadnezzar". It's a little hypocritical, don't you think?

 

[Lock&Light]

Would you care to deal with this, Lock or will you show yourself to be the arse you truly are?

I have no idea what you think I should 'deal with'. I have never disputed anything said in that quote.

 

[Lock&Light]

Still flogging a dead horse eh? And this coming from the man who can't spell "Nebuchadnezzar". It's a little hypocritical, don't you think?

I wasn't the one who started about spelling, and that is because, nino, I find spelling to be extremely irrelevant so long as the meaning is clear. That's why I didn't take you up on your incorrect spelling of my home area's past name until you made an issue of it. Who's the hypocritical one, a neutral might ask themselves.

 

[nino_savatte]

I have no idea what you think I should 'deal with'. I have never disputed anything said in that quote.

Of course you have "no idea", because you aren't here to discuss anything. You are here to disrupt, pick fights and wage silly vendettas; that is why you cannot deal with my point.

Any reply from you other than the correct one will only make you look more foolish.

 

[Lock&Light]

Any reply from you other than the correct one will only make you look more foolish.

Perhaps I need a spell in a re-education camp, nino?

 

[nino_savatte]

I wasn't the one who started about spelling, and that is because, nino, I find spelling to be extremely irrelevant so long as the meaning is clear. That's why I didn't take you up on your incorrect spelling of my home area's past name until you made an issue of it. Who's the hypocritical one, a neutral might ask themselves.

That's right, try that wee tactic. You came here to pick a fight with me but you haven't got the honesty, decency or maturity (for an auld git) to admit it.

Where are these "neutrals" you keep talking about? Why do you keep mentioning them as though they are going to suddenly appear from over the horizon, riding to your rescue in the manner of the 7th Cavalry. I think you need to say that to reassure yourself, more than anything else.

I think any neutrals would see, straightaway, that you're a deeply unpleasant individual who enjoys picking fights with others, and can't get his head around the idea that he isn't always right.

 

[nino_savatte]

Perhaps I need a spell in a re-education camp, nino?

Perhaps you need to dry up and blow away...like an auld dog turd.

 

[nino_savatte]

Deal with the point, Lock.

 

[Lock&Light]

Deal with the point, Lock.

Try making one, nino.

 

[nino_savatte]

Try making one, nino.

You see, you cannot deal with the point that I made above. This is the best you can do. This is also rather revealing of your arrogance.

But the bottom line is that you are a deeply dishonest person.

 

[nino_savatte]

Really? How many examples of the correct spelling of “Nebuchadnezzar” would you like? Touché.

Whatever the case, my original point was that you cannot make territorial claims based on events that happened thousands of years ago. Furthermore, the writing of history is not created in an ideological vacuum and versions of events are disputed between those who write the official versions of history and those who have been oppressed by them; or who have otherwise been written out or smeared by hagiographers.

So again Lock, care to deal with the text in bold?

 

[nino_savatte]

Just as I thought.

 

[Lock&Light]

I have no idea what you think I should 'deal with'. I have never disputed anything said in that quote.

You are not only stupid, you also seem to be hard of hearing.

 

[moono]

Nino 'stupid' eh ? You sure ?

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

GO FUCK YOURSELF, GARF.

clearly you don't get it

GO TO PM's YOU PETTY MAN

does that help ...

This is not a thread about ego stroking for lock and light, if you'd like i'll start that very thread for you ...

contribute to the topic of discussion or snipe via pm's don't keep this charade of faux intrest in the vain hope you will get more attention...

you sad, petty little man...

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

You are not only stupid, you also seem to be hard of hearing.

as do you

GO TO PM's YOU PETTY MAN

 

[Lock&Light]

Nino 'stupid' eh ? You sure ?

I have my reasons to think so.

Though it appears that Garf has no reason to think with.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

I have my reasons to think so.

Though it appears that Garf has no reason to think with.

look lock can you read this post by fridge magnet?

Moderators do occasionally have better things to do than read through multiple huge threads looking for further insults, but apparently the point I made earlier has slipped a little, so let me re-iterate:

- This is not a thread about who is a racist; this is in fact not even the forum for such things (not that there is one) and while a reasonable bit of byplay and "robust debate" can be expected, this isn't it.
- This is a thread about the existence of Palestine as an entity, perhaps moving out into broader territory regarding territorial claims et al.

Here's a simple strategy for posting: read through your post before submitting it. Does it contain accusations about somebody else's character, or ad-hominem attacks? If so, remove the bits that do, or don't post it at all.

I'm not going to pop in here every now and then, put up a nuclear warning, have things quieten down a bit for a few days and then have to do it again. I don't care whether you feel slighted by someone else's accusation and that you have a right to an apology, or whether you think somebody's motivations are appalling and they must be hounded out. This is interfering with the operation of the forum itself. I don't really have to ban somebody to make a point, do I?

http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=4640334&postcount=522

now take it to fucking pm's

before you get your self banned

 

[Lock&Light]

now take it to fucking pm's

I have nothing to discuss via pm's.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

I have nothing to discuss via pm's.

then shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

 

[Lock&Light]

then shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Shut up, yourself, Garf.

 

[nino_savatte]

You are not only stupid, you also seem to be hard of hearing.

Stop being evasive and deal with the point, Lock.

Or is it the case that you're hard of thinking?

 

[nino_savatte]

look lock can you read this post by fridge magnet?



http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=4640334&postcount=522

now take it to fucking pm's

before you get your self banned

Unfortunately, L&L won't get banned as it seems he is allowed to get away with this sort of thing. He constantly disrupts threads and makes no effort to discuss anything but he's still here.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

then shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

This sounds like extremely good advice to me, which I would urge you to take, L&L.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

got hold of the worng end of the stick sorry fridge

 

[Gmart]

To continue...

A letter from the Independent:

Sir: It should come as no surprise to anyone that suicide bombers in Iraq are Palestinians ("Iraq: the face of the enemy", 7 June). Israel's security wall is forcing them to export themselves to another arena to fight in this ridiculous "war" against terrorism being waged by the donkeys who lead us in the West.

The injustices to Palestinians, following the creation of the state of Israel and the subsequent brutal occupation by that country lies at the very roots of the causes of terrorism and the ideology of Osama bin Laden. In desperate attempts not to be accused of anti-Semitism, our leaders refuse to accept this and carry on supporting the USA and its military base in the Middle East called Israel.

If someone in power does not do something to restore Palestine, even if only to acknowledge that Israel must withdraw to the pre 1967 borders, and allow the Palestinians to form a viable country, we shall have no peace.

BARONESS JENNY TONGE

HOUSE OF LORDS

 

[ZAMB]

I think this thread has clearly stated that you are in the minority as to your view that Palestine didn't exist before 1948 thus rendering the land free (in your view) to invade (or occupy in your view).

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13199.htm

Tragedy in the Holy Land - The Second Uprising

This documentary addresses the core issues of land and identity - It probes the evolution of the seemingly incurable conflict in Palestine from a historic perspective that is typically unknown to American audiences

Edward Said and Noam Chomsky

I think this documentary answers the question about the existance of Palestine, though I doubt that some here will want to accept Said and Chomsky's academic opinion of the historical events.

 

[moono]

BARONESS JENNY TONGE

HOUSE OF LORDS

Yo that gal. Two pints in for her, barman.

 

[rachamim18]

GMarthews: Compromise? What do you think that the "2 State Solution" is?

"What would Rachamim do if he was a 'Palestinian'?" I would NEVER, EVEr strap on a bomb belt and kill elderly and toddlers. I would CERTAINLY research my history and then I would find that the Jews do have a very good case for statehood and that they were never the aggressors in this region [at least in modern times]. I would then work towards a peacful and just solution.

I do not clip political cartoons but I do clip articles and columns and certainly have found many to be clearly pro-Arab and pro-"Palestinian."

Nino: "Suicide bombing sis NOt begin in 1980." correct, I SHOULD HAVE made it clear that I was talking about the "Cult of the Shaheed," Islamic suicide bombing. Even then though, they were not doing anything paticularly original since sect of the Assasins in the middle ages beat them by a thousand years...

I have never seen or heard of the CIA "narration."

"My thesis on Jews is informed by the Talmud." What does that mean? I cannot make heads nor tails of it.

Yes, since the beginning, there have been Jews living outside of their homeland, much like British expatriates live all over the world, yet still retain their british outlook, etc. Same dynamic, so what?

Dalraida? Well, if there were enough people from there, with a viable culture, why not? There are 21 Arab nations that hav no historical context.

"You cannot be selective about which kingdoms to reconstitute [sic]." Um, sure you can. That comment is ridiculous. In other words, you are saying that because the Jewish Kingdom [last one] ended 2000 years ago, it can never be reestablished on the basis of having once existed. That is absurd.

Take your comment regarding the Persian Empire. the Persian descendants, todays Iranians, are a totally different people. the center of the Empire was in present day Iraq! The Persians did not speak Farsi! they were certainly not Muslims! Practically nothing but SOME DNA survives. that is certainly not sufficient criteria for restablishment even if for some strange reason today's Iranians were willing to reestablish the Empire.

As Lock says, the Shah DID celebrate the anniversarry of the Empire but only in a feeble attempt to grant legitamacy to his weak monarchy.

Now Jews on the other hand, have the same language, same religion, most of the same customs so that a Jew from the roman Era would recognise much of today's Jewish life. See a bit of a difference Nino?

Arguing over the spelling of Nebuchadnezzar is nonsensical since it was NOt spelled in the English alphabet. All English spellings are approximations and people can transliterate in whichever way they choose.

Funny, Garfeied and Fridge see fit to take Lock to task for offsubject antics while remaining strangely mute when it comes to one of the biggest causes of off tangent nonsense in the entire site. Personally, not that my view matters in this area, I wish ALL people would take personalities out of the equation.

 

[rachamim18]

GMarthews: The letter from the Independant means nothing. The ridiculous nonsense about the 67 borders is insane! Israel was agreeable to that since 1919. In 93 Israel Israel offered all of Gaza, 97% of the "West Bank," and all of East Jerusalem. the "Palestinians" refused. It has never been about an imaginary "Occupation." As Hamas and the 25 other militant groups say, they will only rest when ALL of the land is theirs. This is a fact.

ZAMB: Chomsky and Said? Pleaseee. Said was an Egyptian pretending to be "Palestinian." The man was a charlatan.

Moono: Sounds like she is drunk already.