Describe your 'political tradition' in one sentence

[Captain Hurrah]

Broadly collectivist, slightly anarchistic. Considered "a bit radical" by most folk.

Didn't you vote Lib Dem?

 

[The39thStep]

Daughter of a car mechanic and mother who escaped communist Hungary. Probably lower middle class. Broadly collectivist, slightly anarchistic. Considered "a bit radical" by most folk. Considered far too right wing by Teh Urbanz.

Lib Dem

 

[Captain Hurrah]

Got there first.

 

[Captain Hurrah]

This thread is at degeneration point.

How odd. Maybe he was trying to make a 'joke' about something he doesn't really understand?

 

[Idris2002]

It's this guy who claims it, although I'm not vouching for the authenticity of it at all. Personally, I think the "avoidable deaths" genocide statistics thing is very questionable (both when applied to Soviet history and here).

What I would say is that given the size of the British Empire, and the imperialist's attitudes toward most of their "subjects", the outright genocide practised in large parts of the Empire (Australia, the Caribbean, North America) and the whole free trade/Malthusian ideology, it would be pretty surprising if they hadn't racked up similar death tolls to the Soviets - most of whose death toll derives not from executions but excess famine deaths and brutal imprisonment anyway.

Thanks!

 

[FabricLiveBaby!]

That's more than one sentence.

It's a complex issue.

Didn't you vote Lib Dem?

I did, for shame. As did a load of other people who got suckered in. Like fuck I'll ever vote again.

 

[SpineyNorman]

I've been called a red fascist and a left wing fascist in the past - the former by left wing libertarians, the latter by right wing ones

 

[sihhi]

It's this guy who claims it, although I'm not vouching for the authenticity of it at all. Personally, I think the "avoidable deaths" genocide statistics thing is very questionable (both when applied to Soviet history and here).

What I would say is that given the size of the British Empire, and the imperialists attitudes toward most of their "subjects", the outright genocide practised in large parts of the Empire (Australia, the Caribbean, North America) and the whole free trade/Malthusian ideology, it would be pretty surprising if they hadn't racked up similar death tolls to the Soviets - most of whose death toll derives not from executions but excess famine deaths and brutal imprisonment anyway.

You are wise not to.

The British Empire, and Western colonialism, at its height was a world-system that incorporated others formally outside the borders of the Empire even the Ottoman, Chinese, Zanzibari and Thai monarchies face gunboat diplomacy and varying levels of coercion to comply with Western demands.

Where does local imperial responsibility start and where does Western imperial responsibility end? It's a minefield.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

anarcho-reformist

 

[Blagsta]

I'm really not sure why, after the events of the last hundred years, it's acceptable to call yourself a communist but not a fascist.

At least fascists don't have the cheek to suggest that the horrors their ideology brought forth were the result of a few innocent misunderstandings and a couple of bad eggs at the top of the food chain.

Hang on, I thought you were an anarchist?

 

[Captain Hurrah]

I've been called a red fascist and a left wing fascist in the past - the former by left wing libertarians, the latter by right wing ones

I've been called a STALINIST before.

 

[The39thStep]

Hang on, I thought you were an anarchist?

He is. I know they are quite rare but don't you recogonise one when you come across one?

 

[Frances Lengel]

Traitor who'd sell out my own class in an instant for a chance to live below stairs in the manor house as a spit lubed catamite to the aristocracy.

 

[Lo Siento.]

You are wise not to.

The British Empire, and Western colonialism, at its height was a world-system that incorporated others formally outside the borders of the Empire even the Ottoman, Chinese, Zanzibari and Thai monarchies face gunboat diplomacy and varying levels of coercion to comply with Western demands.

Where does local imperial responsibility start and where does Western imperial responsibility end? It's a minefield.

Quite, although I suspect that the impracticality (which we could equally apply to the very well known death tolls of Communism) of making such calculations is not the real reason that such statistics don't really exist...

 

[frogwoman]

One mutches oneself.

I told you i was a fuckup

 

[goldenecitrone]

I'm a Marxist by belief but a capitalist pig by deed and lifestyle.

At least he's honest I suppose.

 

[sihhi]

I told you i was a fuckup

Did you? Jewish cultural nationalism (if that's what you're describing) is not the mark of anything wrong.

 

[framed]

Red.

 

[Blagsta]

I've always viewed the phrase 'anarchist communist' as indistinguishable from the phrase 'turkey voting for christmas'.

If anarchism and communism are such natural bedfellows why are communists so keen on having all the anarchists shot?

If youre not anarchist-communist, then what anarchist tradition are you?

 

[eatmorecheese]

Anti-neoliberal, angry, impotently railing at the cunts but unable to get a grip on them.

*ambles off across Mitcham Common*

 

[Lo Siento.]

If youre not anarchist-communist, then what anarchist tradition are you?

he's probably off reading that Maurice Brinton link, maybe he'll come back in a few hours all anarchist-communist

 

[SpookyFrank]

If youre not anarchist-communist, then what anarchist tradition are you?

I don't have a tradition, there's only one of me.

 

[Blagsta]

I don't have a tradition, there's only one of me.

Right, so your identification as an anarchist is unrelated to anything or anyone else in the entire history of the world?

 

[chilango]

I don't have a tradition, there's only one of me.

Ah. Lifestylist-individualist anarchism.
Thousands of angry teens have trodden that path before you. A well worn path around the bedroom from stero to mirror and back.

4Real.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Right, so your identification as an anarchist is unrelated to anything or anyone else in the entire history of the world?

Related to yes. Defined by, no.

 

[Belushi]

there's only one of me.

TBH that strikes me as one of the least anarchist things a self-proclaimed anarchist could say.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Ah. Lifestylist-individualist anarchism.
Thousands of angry teens have trodden that path before you. A well worn path around the bedroom from stero to mirror and back.

4Real.

I'm not an individualist either. I'm not really an anything-ist. My name's Frank, you can call me that.

 

[Blagsta]

Related to yes. Defined by, no.

So what traditions are you related to?

 

[chilango]

I'm not an individualist either. I'm not really an anything-ist. My name's Frank, you can call me that.

Fuck you I won't do what you tell me.

Motherfucker.

 

[FabricLiveBaby!]

Fuck you I won't do what you tell me.

Motherfucker.

Calm down. No need to get in a Rage