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y'know could you get icke to do my show too as i don't have many reviewers and i'm gettin sorta desperate ....

seeing as he like giant lizzards i could throw in a godzilla movie too!
 
According to Icke, the reptiles' "hybrid reptilian-human DNA" allows them to change from reptilian to human form if they consume human blood. He has drawn parallels with the 1980s science-fiction series (The 22nd letter of the Roman alphabet) V, in which the earth is taken over by reptiloid aliens disguised as humans.

The reptilian group involves many prominent people and practically every world leader from Britain's late Queen Mother to (Vice President under Reagan and 41st President of the United States George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton, Harold Wilson, Tony Blair, and who appeared in films with Bing Crosby Bob Hope.

These people are either themselves reptilian, or work for the reptiles as what Icke calls slave-like victims of multiple personality disorder:
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Oh yes. That's exactly the kind of thing I want urban75 to be seen to be broadcasting, unchallenged,
 
The problem with the type of conspiracy theories under consideration is that any evidence that disproves them is simply ignored (see recent posts on e.g. vaccines and London bombing stuff). It's not decent debate, it's hit and run nonsense.
 
chegrimandi said:
I think 2:30 am is a bit late for an intelligent critique innit! remember the boards are for fun!
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Hence the "go to bed" option!

Still 135 peeps on the boards though....
:eek:
 
Icke has further claimed that a small group of Jews, particularly the Rothschild family, financed Adolf Hitler and supported the Holocaust. These claims have led to his speaking tours attracting the interest of British neo-Nazis, particularly Combat 18, as well as facing opposition from Jewish groups and anti-racism activists.
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I do not know if the claims about the Rothchilds are true or not - but Icke certainly wasn't extending criticism of the Rothchilds to the rest of the jewish race or indeed implying that it was their jewishness which was responsible for the act.

Now then... if you editor, came by some information that a famous black man was somehow in league with black oppressors and published this information, and then this information was seized upon by fascist groups and used for their own ends, ends which you did not agree with, does this make you the fascist and racist or them? Is an idea responsible for the uses to which it is put?

David Icke comes out with some unthinkable ideas. This is precisely why they are difficult to discuss - because everyones natural reaction is to swat them away. And no, I do not believe them all, not many at all in fact.

But the reason why people cringe at the Rothchild story is because the betrayal involved is unthinkable. But it has happened before and will happen again, it is an archetypal pattern from Judas to Uncle Tom.

Likewise the very thought that the American government could have been compicit in attacks on its own people is unthinkable, disgusting. The messenger gets shot for suggesting such a thing might even be possible. But again, history shows us that it has happened before. This is not to say that it did happen re 9/11, but that considering the possibility is not the work of a deranged mind.
 
chegrimandi said:
blimey never used to be more than 120 in the daytime! And I'm not an old schooler by any means....
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I remember it as being around 180-200 in the daytimes, 130-ish around early evening, and at this time of night, the numbers being in the low 60s - and that's fairly recently.

As I posted elsewhere, the numbers have been steadying rising for ages, and in the last five days there's been 500 new posters!

At lunchtimes now the figure seems to hover around 350-400. And that's a lorra lorra peeps!

<editor curses his failure to introduce posting/lurking and u75 inter-shagging* fees>

(* a right earner that would be too at the moment)
 
editor said:
I remember it as being around 180-200 in the daytimes, 130-ish around early evening, and at this time of night, the numbers being in the low 60s - and that's fairly recently.

As I posted elsewhere, the numbers have been steadying rising for ages, and in the last five days there's been 500 new posters!

At lunchtimes now the figure seems to hover around 350-400. And that's a lorra lorra peeps!

<editor curses his failure to introduce posting/lurking and u75 inter-shagging* fees>

(* a right earner that would be too at the moment)
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do you think the general quality of chat is still the same or been diluted by numbers? (genuine question)
 
Masseuse said:
Likewise the very thought that the American government could have been compicit in attacks on its own people is unthinkable, disgusting. The messenger gets shot for suggesting such a thing might even be possible.
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Anything's possible, but when a handful of the same people keep on making big, bold, emphatic claims that they 'know' the truth and it's a tale of globe-spanning conspiracies, then they'd best have some credible proof to back it all up. And I don't mean laughable, anonymously authored UFO/lizard conspirallon sites.

I'm still waiting.
 
chegrimandi said:
do you think the general quality of chat is still the same or been diluted by numbers? (genuine question)
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It's more or less the same IMO with a few new posters making some excellent contributions (Badger Kitten, for example) and - of course - a commensurate amount of good posters/tossers/spammers/trolls/oddballs/nice folks/Satan's twin etc
 
Well..

slaar said:
To be honest, I cringe more at the lizard suggestion. That truly is bonkers.
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what you've got to bear in mind is that Icke in part seized on the Lizard theory to deflect attention from criticism he was an anti-semite. He was able to say these hierarchs (who happen to be Jewish primarily) are merely the local agents of trhe universal lizard conspiracy. This allows him to keep the same basic structure (of the Protocols) and merely graft the lizards on top. But there is a connection, within his belief system.
 
DrJazzz said:
Anyway... I suppose I better spill the beans, so people understand why a series no-one gave two monkeys about suddenly became such a hot topic. I'll edit the title post to show the other confirmed guest so far. :)
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Jesus fucking christ... David Icke? You've got one more screw loose than I thought :)
 
Oooh.

I meant to go to sleep.

But I got sidetracked by Weirdipedia links - and found a whole new conspiracy theory - new to me, I'd managed to miss it for its five years in existence:

Patrick Bellringer and other supporters of NESARA also claim that George Bush is a reptilian. In this scenario, the announcement and implementation of NESARA (a law passed in secret) will ultimately end reptilian control over the planet Earth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NESARA_conspiracy_theory
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Which brings us back to the Federal Reserve Conspiracy... jeez, they're all plaigarisms of each other, aren't they?
 
editor said:
It's more or less the same IMO with a few new posters making some excellent contributions (Badger Kitten, for example) and - of course - a commensurate amount of good posters/tossers/spammers/trolls/oddballs/nice folks/Satan's twin etc
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hmmm while I agree with you to a certain extent I can't help thinking the more popular a thing is the less attractive it is as 'it' loses its core values.

maybe the main point is just that people move on....

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The problem with the establishment is the overt, not only as well as including alongside in parallel with the covert. (yawn).
 
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DrJ doesn't want any debate. He just wants to nod along as some conspiraloon theory is trotted out without argument.

Behind the scenes, he's been trying to set up another interview with a well known conspiraloon where he has argued vehemently against having anyone in the room who may dare disagree or raise questions about what is being said.

In fact, he set up the 'interview' on that premise.

And that's not an interview: that's a party political broadcast. By his reasoning, I'd have to go along with a BNP broadcast too.
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Hold on. He invited you on to cross examine him. The people demand you do so! I would certainly tune in if you went up against him!
 
It all seems a little...
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..Larry suggests - a strong anti-Semitic central message..
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...Godwintastic?

So... from Larry's perception of 'coded' anti-semitism in a book on Still's booklist, the Editor has Still virtually goose-stepping up and down in jack-boots shouting 'Achtung! Spitfire!' and looking haughty. :eek:

Why the fuck is it that whenever the subject of monetary reform comes up, someone starts making accusations of 'anti-semitism'?

The story of the Rothschild family is fascinating - especially the little trick 'Nathan' pulled off after Waterloo, the cheeky fuck. :D

Does the fact that they were Jewish preclude all discussion of the history and nature of 'money' and their role in it? Is it Verboten? :confused:

Same with Icke - Larry, you must have read 'It Doesn't Have To Be Like This' (Green Press, 1988)... there was nothing wrong with that, was there? What do you reckon 'happened' to him?

I mean, I've read a fair bit of his stuff since then as you have, but I can't ever seem to see this 'anti-semitism' that he is constantly accused of. Am I reading the wrong bits? Is it so heavily 'coded' that I need a PhD to see it?

I see a lot of other things - some of which I personally consider to be utter bollocks - but 'anti-semitic'? Show me a bit that makes you think that. Put me straight. :)

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Hey, Larry! Why don't you interview Still? ;)
 
Still’s ignorance on the issue of the history of the Bank of England is perfectly understandable when viewed from his bibliographical reference sources. Of the 37 reference sources in his bibliography, there are no serious historical accounts of the Bank of England. Without exception, all of his reference sources on this issue are conspiracy theory writers. It is interesting to note as well that most of these are heavily anti-Semitic in content. On the issue of anti-Semitism, Still even admits his own blindness to the anti-Semitism of one of his main sources for the history of the Bank of England. Still writes:

Some authors make the mistake of saying that the Scotsman William Paterson led the English money changer group, but Commander William Guy Carr, writing in 1958-despite his silly, anti-Semitic contention that Calvinism was the invention of a Jewish conspiracy designed to cause a split in Christianity-gives what is probably the most accurate account.[10]

It is difficult to imagine that Still could be so blind after reading the obvious anti-Semitic writings of William Guy Carr and still cite him as a credible source of information. For Still to miss Carr’s obvious incompetence from his anti-Semitic bias is analogous to missing the forest from the trees. It is clear from the above that Still’s own admission of Carr’s anti-Semitism calls into serious question his own credibility.

http://www.floodlight.org/theory/bofe2.html
 
Loki said:
Still’s ignorance on the issue of the history of the Bank of England is perfectly understandable when viewed from his bibliographical reference sources. Of the 37 reference sources in his bibliography, there are no serious historical accounts of the Bank of England. Without exception, all of his reference sources on this issue are conspiracy theory writers. It is interesting to note as well that most of these are heavily anti-Semitic in content. On the issue of anti-Semitism, Still even admits his own blindness to the anti-Semitism of one of his main sources for the history of the Bank of England. Still writes:

Some authors make the mistake of saying that the Scotsman William Paterson led the English money changer group, but Commander William Guy Carr, writing in 1958-despite his silly, anti-Semitic contention that Calvinism was the invention of a Jewish conspiracy designed to cause a split in Christianity-gives what is probably the most accurate account.[10]

It is difficult to imagine that Still could be so blind after reading the obvious anti-Semitic writings of William Guy Carr and still cite him as a credible source of information. For Still to miss Carr’s obvious incompetence from his anti-Semitic bias is analogous to missing the forest from the trees. It is clear from the above that Still’s own admission of Carr’s anti-Semitism calls into serious question his own credibility.

http://www.floodlight.org/theory/bofe2.html
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That's exactly the sort of thing I'm talking about, Loki. Your author takes Still's condemnation of 'anti-semitic' elements in one of his sources as evidence of Still's own presupposed 'anti-semitism' - which only exists in your authors head.

Fucktard logic, if you ask me.
 
Backatcha Bandit said:
Does the fact that they were Jewish preclude all discussion of the history and nature of 'money' and their role in it? Is it Verboten? :confused:
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No, but the blinkered insistance of many conspiracy theorists to emphasise the fact that the Rothschilds are of Semitic descent is a bit mißtrauisch, don't you think?
 
Backatcha Bandit said:
That's exactly the sort of thing I'm talking about, Loki. Your author takes Still's condemnation of 'anti-semitic' elements in one of his sources as evidence of Still's own presupposed 'anti-semitism' - which only exists in your authors head.

Fucktard logic, if you ask me.
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No it doesn't, it says his arguments and logic suck, which is much more damning to his point of view.
 
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