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I imagine having lizard like qualities might have improved his game no end...Donna Ferentes said:
You know, it's only just occurred to me that one of the Dr Who series as based on Icke, with big lizard creatures living inside humans who had taken up positions of power (in Cardiff, of all places)*.
Maybe Icke should pursue a career in sci-fi?
(*I know it was probably dead obvious to everyone months ago)
No I don't!editor said:
One thing I do share with Icke is that one of the big problems in the world is that we put immense pressure on each other to share the same opinions. We don't have to! It creates groupthink and stifles independent thought, and hence opens us up to manipulation.
And you prove that point perfectly here, by assuming that I must share all beliefs with him in order to applaud him. For heavens sake, why? I do agree with plenty of what Icke has to say, and he says it damn well. The lizard stuff, well I'm extremely sceptical of that. So what?
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Well, it is pretty much central to his worldview.
well you added something to your post by the time my reply appeared...
He's not suggesting 'The Jews' made WW1 happen but a small clique, your wording and interpretation of the quote is incorrect.
Not saying I believe or disbelieve this but just pointing out that your quote doesn't villify your accusation
Loki said:
He's not suggesting 'The Jews' made WW1 happen but a small clique, your wording and interpretation of the quote is incorrect.
Not saying I believe or disbelieve this but just pointing out that your quote doesn't villify your accusation
Loki said:
Please think about this Loki, because accusations of race hatred are not things to bandy about unless they are justified. Let me explain Icke's quote with an equivalent one. I know you are not motivated by the stock-throwing mentality of some other posters.
"I strongly believe that a small American clique which has contempt for the mass of the American people worked with non-Americans to create the Iraq War"
I think it's likely most would agree with that?
Now would you say from that, "How are you not being anti-American? You are suggesting that Americans made the Iraq War happen on purpose"
But the fact that the Bush family is American (specific American clique) does not mean one is anti-American (racial hatred) to blame them for the Iraq War!
Why is everyone so scared to say anything about Jews .. every one of them is a wrongun. I met loads of em and that's my proof. As a race they're just fuckin humans so most of em are shit just like you and me usually.
I called a jewish bloke a tight fucker loads of times .. you're just shit you are rory he laughed. I had to prompt him into saying that like so I never laugh. I hope he comes up with an insult on his own one day that makes me livid and I can pretend I feel racially slurred and break some windows down Stamford Hill. Then he makes the astonishing admission for a sane person that he doesn't drink. You jews aint all there .. I said .. now where's the rest of my money .. did I count it??
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
We're great ol mates really but thay're all dodgy. Always startin wars and makin stupid filums. No one else does that according to Ronny Perkins .. NO surrender No surrender .. to the IRA .. he sings that when he gets pissed and everyone gets all mad. I go on to a squat club and pull a stunnah and give it one for Blighty usually to eradicate the centuries of oppression I feel because I live in Ponders End.
David Icke is no racist .. he's bound to be a nutter .. what the fuckin hell is wrong with that imo? Who isn't like?
LOki .. LMAO ..you're no nutter ..definitely not. Well done.
I called a jewish bloke a tight fucker loads of times .. you're just shit you are rory he laughed. I had to prompt him into saying that like so I never laugh. I hope he comes up with an insult on his own one day that makes me livid and I can pretend I feel racially slurred and break some windows down Stamford Hill. Then he makes the astonishing admission for a sane person that he doesn't drink. You jews aint all there .. I said .. now where's the rest of my money .. did I count it??
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
We're great ol mates really but thay're all dodgy. Always startin wars and makin stupid filums. No one else does that according to Ronny Perkins .. NO surrender No surrender .. to the IRA .. he sings that when he gets pissed and everyone gets all mad. I go on to a squat club and pull a stunnah and give it one for Blighty usually to eradicate the centuries of oppression I feel because I live in Ponders End.
David Icke is no racist .. he's bound to be a nutter .. what the fuckin hell is wrong with that imo? Who isn't like?
LOki .. LMAO ..you're no nutter ..definitely not. Well done.
maya
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rorymac said:Why is everyone so scared to say anything about Jews .. every one of them is a wrongun. I met loads of em and that's my proof. As a race they're just fuckin humans so most of em are shit just like you and me usually.
I called a jewish bloke a tight fucker loads of times .. you're just shit you are rory he laughed. I had to prompt him into saying that like so I never laugh. I hope he comes up with an insult on his own one day that makes me livid and I can pretend I feel racially slurred and break some windows down Stamford Hill. Then he makes the astonishing admission for a sane person that he doesn't drink. You jews aint all there .. I said .. now where's the rest of my money .. did I count it??
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
We're great ol mates really but thay're all dodgy. Always startin wars and makin stupid filums. No one else does that according to Ronny Perkins .. NO surrender No surrender .. to the IRA .. he sings that when he gets pissed and everyone gets all mad. I go on to a squat club and pull a stunnah and give it one for Blighty usually to eradicate the centuries of oppression I feel because I live in Ponders End.
David Icke is no racist .. he's bound to be a nutter .. what the fuckin hell is wrong with that imo? Who isn't like?
LOki .. LMAO ..you're no nutter ..definitely not. Well done.
Just noticed someone registered as "DavidIcke" at the bottom of the page.
.... it's a conspicacy I tells ya!!
doodoo ddoo dooo do do dooo dooo
<runs for underground lead lined bunker>
Thay haven't made any posts yet and they registered on the same day as the start of this thread...
.... it's a conspicacy I tells ya!! doodoo ddoo dooo do do dooo dooo
<runs for underground lead lined bunker>
DrJazzz said:No I don't!
One thing I do share with Icke is that one of the big problems in the world is that we put immense pressure on each other to share the same opinions. We don't have to! It creates groupthink and stifles independent thought, and hence opens us up to manipulation.
And you prove that point perfectly here, by assuming that I must share all beliefs with him in order to applaud him. For heavens sake, why? I do agree with plenty of what Icke has to say, and he says it damn well. The lizard stuff, well I'm extremely sceptical of that. So what?
Sorry for late reply, I've been slow to catch up on this thread recently.
I find the implications of this post a bit insulting tbh. It suggests that there's some sort of mass of people opposed to Icke and his views, who are pressuring others who might sympathise with them, into conforming with some rigid, fixed, pro establishment worldview.
You know perfectly well Dr J, that plenty of Icke sceptics (and general conspiracy sceptics) are far from slavish toers of some establishment line.
As has been said before many times, being open minded is all very well, but it's perfectly possible to be so open minded that a person's brain (or at least, critical faculties) drops out.
There's no 'groupthink' going on ; just a wish (on my part at least) that an assessment of Icke's worth is based on rational assessment of actually existing, testable evidence -- an approach that Icke himself scarcely ever seems to follow.
Loki said:
easy g said:
Bit in bold : This kind of 'objectivity' between history and made up conspiracy theory drives me potty I'm afraid.
Suggest that maybe you check out a variety of reputable historians of WWI** -- then check out Icke, and see how they compare. You'll soon then see that refusing to take a position on the worth or other wise of arrant Icke-style nonsense, is tantamount to condoning a wholesale distortion of history. A distortion of history with distinctly antiSemitic overtones as well ... weasel worlds about a small elite minority only of Jews, don't cut the mustard for me I'm afraid.
**If you're unable to tell the difference between reputable historians of WWI on the one hand, and David Icke on the other, then I think you're making it harder for yourself to arrive at even an approximation of the history,
Not wanting to attack you personally easy g, honestly, but ....
William of Walworth said:
that's the thing with icke's theories, or at least the stuff he researches and reworks for his own books..
you the read the "global elite group running banks, businesses, governments" and you think "yeah i can go along with that", then you read the "the world is being pushed towards a single facist state" and you think "yeah, could be happening" and you read about the "the masons and other secret societies are pulling strings" and yeah, you accept that that may be true to some degree.
the he says that it's all being run by reptiles. and the whole thing sort of falls on it's arse.
DrJazzz said:
You know the answer to that -- none!
I've read extracts and summaries, NOT all of those from hostile sources. Some on his own website, some posted by other Icke-friendly people on other sites, conspiracy-friendly ones
Plus I've read these threads and find laptop and Loki more convincing than you tbh! I admit my bias of course -- my bias is in favour of professional assessment of historical evidence, and a sceptical distinction between provable evidence/workable theories, and speculation/irrational theorising ...
If I really was a professional historian, I'd feel it incumbent on myself to read up Icke properly. As Larry O'Hara has done, and what he posted earlier seemed pretty convincing to me, I believe laptop knows a fair bit too.
But for now I just post here and can only go on what you and others say ... and the links/extracts provided.
How many histories of WWI have you read?
(Trying to keep it friendly, like)
Icke's works are absolutely vast William. Some are huge tomes. And they are not filled with recipes for chip butties! Had you looked at one, you wouldn't make silly comments like 'he doesn't give evidence for his theories' which sound appealling but are wholly innaccurate
I haven't read very many histories of WWI, but that's not the point; I haven't dismissed them, unread, for not quoting their evidence.
I haven't read very many histories of WWI, but that's not the point; I haven't dismissed them, unread, for not quoting their evidence.
William of Walworth said:
no worries...but you took what I wrote incorrectly, I put that in so people would be clear I had no 'vested' interest in pointing out why I thought Loki was wrong...as fubert stated later. It was just Loki's incorrect use of the quotes as evidence that I was pointing out. Basically what he quoted and what he made of the quote weren't equal (that's not to say there may be material that supports what Loki says...but if there is he should've quoted it!)
If you understand what I'm saying I'd appreciate a response saying so...just in case people start hurling bullshit in my direction
DrJazzz said:Icke's works are absolutely vast William. Some are huge tomes. And they are not filled with recipes for chip butties! Had you looked at one, you wouldn't make silly comments like 'he doesn't give evidence for his theories' which sound appealling but are wholly innaccurate
I haven't read very many histories of WWI, but that's not the point; I haven't dismissed them, unread, for not quoting their evidence.
OK I'll qualify that -- he doesn't give convincing evidence for his theories. And I'm not writing them off sight unseen either -- in my previous post I admitted my knowledge was based on sumamries and links etc., rather than a full reading which I doubt many people have managed given the quantity.
Easy g : point taken, no problem.
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Ah. So when you claimed that he "gave evidence for his theories" what you actually meant was, "I can find absolutely no evidence of Icke backing up that bonkers load of bollocks, so I'll try and change the subject instead".DrJazzz said:
But I'll ask again: could you post up the evidence Icke has provided for his "Bob Hope was a child-sacrificing, blood-drinking Satan-worshipper capable of changing his shape" theory, please?