I read this thread last night. Major respect to Larry and laptop's posts.
I've posted on the other thread.
I've posted on the other thread.
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According to Icke, he wasn't 'thrown out' of the Green Party, he simply didn't renew his subscription.tarannau said:
"... the infighting sickened me and more so when when it became clear that while the Green Party claimed to be 'the new politics', it was just another version of the old politics with the same old methods, manipulations and reactions. The Green Party set out to challenge the system and ended up joining it. Many times it has been reported that I was 'sacked' by the Green Party for what was now to unfold in my life, but the truth is that I never renewed my membership because the Greens were clearly not going to change anything. Ironically, another reason I distanced myself from the party in the months that followed was because some very strange things were happening to me and I knew that when I spoke about them publicly I was going to be in for some serious ridicule." David Icke "Tales from the Time Loop"
Icke is linking to Stormfront - see here (scroll to end)DrJazzz said:
http://www.davidicke.net/religiousfrauds/history/xianbrotherhood.html
Have you read the linked article?nosos said:
A sample quote:
Male homosexuality, a subject about which almost no one seems willing to talk sense, must be understood historically and requires a treatment far beyond the scope of this article, which is concerned with only a phase of that subject, paederasty, (10) and, for the most part, indeed, with a special and especially repulsive form of that vice, the abuse of very young children of either sex.
So being gay is a "vice", and a rather thinly veiled implication that gays are paedophiles.
DrJazzz said:Was that it, editor?
An article sourced from stormfront?
What the hell was Icke doing looking at Stormfront do begin with?
And, to be fair, Icke's not linking to an article from some mystery professor. He's linking to an article by Revilo Oliver, an US conservative who became increasingly and embarrassingly intolerant in his old age and became one of the leading exponents of white nationalist BS, coupled with obvious anti-semitism.
He's not a kid; Icke knows the significance of the articles and author. Would you be so quick to excuse him linking to articles about Eugenics from a certain Adoph H for example?
Why are you playing apologist for this bum?
Well firstly to say that Icke is 'associating' with Stormfront by sourcing an article which they host is no more than saying that you 'associate' with your postman because you read mail he delivers!
Secondly I don't agree with the tone of some of the article (although it's 'paedarasty' which is the vice referred to Loki), but I suspect it's there to highlight the sexual assaults committed by priests of various religions. And that's a very deserved target IMHO.
If you want to know Icke's opinion of homosexuality, here's a passage from his latest book, on the question of "gay marriage"...
Sex is another of the moral sickies that keeps people attached to the illusion. I saw an American right-wing Christian say that he was worried about gay marriage and wanted Bush to stop it. He was worried about gay marriage? Well, I think I see a way out of this: don't marry a gay, then. There, simple, what shall we do now? I am tempted to start an Internet advice column and call it noneofyourbloodybusiness.com. What right has anyone to decide if a gay marries a gay? It's their business and what the hell are we doing moralising about relationships never mind legislating for them? Infinite Love is the Only Truth, Everything Else is Illusion
I don't see that anyone need 'apologise' for the person that wrote that.
Secondly I don't agree with the tone of some of the article (although it's 'paedarasty' which is the vice referred to Loki), but I suspect it's there to highlight the sexual assaults committed by priests of various religions. And that's a very deserved target IMHO.
If you want to know Icke's opinion of homosexuality, here's a passage from his latest book, on the question of "gay marriage"...
Sex is another of the moral sickies that keeps people attached to the illusion. I saw an American right-wing Christian say that he was worried about gay marriage and wanted Bush to stop it. He was worried about gay marriage? Well, I think I see a way out of this: don't marry a gay, then. There, simple, what shall we do now? I am tempted to start an Internet advice column and call it noneofyourbloodybusiness.com. What right has anyone to decide if a gay marries a gay? It's their business and what the hell are we doing moralising about relationships never mind legislating for them? Infinite Love is the Only Truth, Everything Else is Illusion
I don't see that anyone need 'apologise' for the person that wrote that.
A little experiment then, how many non-knuckledragger websites use shitefront as a reputable source of material?DrJazzz said:Well firstly to say that Icke is 'associating' with Stormfront by sourcing an article which they host is just obvious crap; that's like saying that you 'associate' with the views of your postman because you read mail he delivers!
On another note, can anybody explain to me why Dr. J hasn't been banned long ago? It puzzles me to such an extent that I'm beginning to think that editor must be...a lizzard!!!
Who cares? I would guess Icke pulled up that article from google, or someone sent it to him. The scandal of systematically covered-up child abuse by churchmen well deserves airing. Icke probably knows as much about st+rmfront as I do... zilch!gurrier said:
I notice editor has been strangely silent after his initial rubbish, and for some reason Loki found himself coming up with what I assume was editor's link! What's going on here? Must have been some pms exchanged, I fancy...
I'm not sure who comes out of this worse, editor for not having the courage to defend his smear himself or Loki for being his poodle
editor
hiraethified
Oh, and for the record, I have neither sent nor received a single PM from Loki on this matter so I trust you'll have the good grace to apologise for your utterly clueless bullshit.DrJazzz said:I notice editor has been strangely silent after his initial rubbish, and for some reason Loki found himself coming up with what I assume was editor's link! What's going on here? Must have been some pms exchanged, I fancy..
I'm not sure who comes out of this worse, editor for not having the courage to defend his smear himself or Loki for being his poodle
Oh I get it, editor! You got confused and misread 'David Duke' as 'David Icke', didn't you?! And that's why you said, when St. Elsewhere posted up a link to David Duke (who IS associating with st*rmfr*nt)
) But then WoW couldn't follow you, and you started to realise you had fucked up a bit. So you googled 'Icke' and 'St*rmfront' and... wahey! One article came up which Icke had sourced via st*rmfront, and you posted that on the Vialls thread, and that's where Loki got it from. You see I didn't check the Vialls thread, so I was wondering why Loki was having to defend your piece of nonsense here. You can see why anyone would struggle to follow your comments here...
But I understand now, and of course I retract that comment about pms happily. Now excuse me while I go to bed. I may have to change the sheets for plastic, you see I'm rather pissing myself
on the Vialls thread, not realising that Duke and Icke are not only completely different people, but have nothing to do with each other! And then you got even further confused, believing that your own comment must have made some sense! So a quarter of an hour later, this becameeditor said:
on this thread! Although there is of course no association between Icke and Duke (yes, their names are similar, I knoweditor said:
) But then WoW couldn't follow you, and you started to realise you had fucked up a bit. So you googled 'Icke' and 'St*rmfront' and... wahey! One article came up which Icke had sourced via st*rmfront, and you posted that on the Vialls thread, and that's where Loki got it from. You see I didn't check the Vialls thread, so I was wondering why Loki was having to defend your piece of nonsense here. You can see why anyone would struggle to follow your comments here...But I understand now, and of course I retract that comment about pms happily. Now excuse me while I go to bed. I may have to change the sheets for plastic, you see I'm rather pissing myself
FridgeMagnet
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Except, you know, that David Icke is happily publishing a homophobic St-rmfront-friendly article on his site. Quite apart from all the other links he has to the far right, the holocaust denial, the affirmation of the Protocols and so on. Apparently that doesn't concern you, just like Joe Vialls' patent anti-semitism didn't.
Oh well.
Oh well.
pk
drink flounce rinse repeat
It's OK though, "Dr" Jazzz is apparently Jewish, so he's allowed to stick up for proven anti-semitic wankers if he likes.
It's like the old cliche... "I'm not racist, but..."
Still, one of "Dr" Jazzz's favourite anti-semitic liars and conspiranoids, Joe Vialls, is now unable to post any more "blame the Jews!" crap like his mate David Icke likes to do, because thankfully, the old cunt is apparently now dead.
Fuck David Icke, fuck St*rmfront, and thank fuck there'll be no radio interview with any anti-semite like Icke which would have doubtlessly attracted nazis and conspiraloons in equal measure.
It's like the old cliche... "I'm not racist, but..."
Still, one of "Dr" Jazzz's favourite anti-semitic liars and conspiranoids, Joe Vialls, is now unable to post any more "blame the Jews!" crap like his mate David Icke likes to do, because thankfully, the old cunt is apparently now dead.
Fuck David Icke, fuck St*rmfront, and thank fuck there'll be no radio interview with any anti-semite like Icke which would have doubtlessly attracted nazis and conspiraloons in equal measure.
Actually Fridgey, it does concern me. David Icke is certainly not homophobic and I'm sure he wouldn't want any association whatsoever to stormfront so I've emailed (he's away though until August 4th).FridgeMagnet said:
This wasn't an article Icke went out and chose; in fact he may not have even read it! The archive section the article is in is one for readers to make their own submissions, like posting on urban75. So I'm sure someone just sent it in and it slipped through somehow as it does contain first hand stuff about abominable church practise, which is what was called for. You can read about the submission guidelines here. Note "We will not post ANY article or message that gives the appearance of a personal attack or attempts to stimulate a hatred towards any group. There is plenty of hatred going around without you and I propagating more hatred...
Posting your article on the site does not mean that David Icke or his staff necessarily agree with or validate your article or conclusions. It is the research of truth and facts in your article which are most important."
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I hope that clears that up, and also confirms that Icke is neither racist nor homophobic.
apology
I'd also like to apologise for the unnecessary tone of my last post towards editor. I get a lot thrown my way and it's tempting to play the ridicule game back when the chance arises. That isn't the way I want to be though, especially to those I count as friends *.
So apologies ed.
* off the boards, anyways
Reply from David
Patrick ... thanks for that. I know of Stormfront and their pathetic view of life, and that article was not posted by me, but my old American webmaster who used to gather lots of information together for the archives a few years ago from endless sources. He probably did not understand the organisation and I can't be expected to keep on top of every single page out of the thousands on the site.
I post 90% of the information these days and I can assure you that Stormfront info will not be among it. However, these guys that complain also want a (massive) rocket up their arse for throwing babies out with bathwater when all hell is breaking loose around the world - just as I predicted it would at a time when people were laughing in my face.
If they spent more time seeing the forest instead of navel-contemplating the twigs they might just make a greater contribution to sorting it out. Please pass on these thoughts by all means and tell them I would be delighted to supply the rocket fuel because I am up to here with robot radicals and their self-indulgent, self-satisfied, myopia.
If these guys want to resist racism they might look behind the smokescreen rock concerts and G8 aid bollocks to see the blatant and horrific agenda of calculated genocide unfolding in Africa. But then why should they listen to me when, out of some 6,000 to 7,000 web pages, there is one with some Stormfront tosser as a source?
best wishes to you mate,
David
Patrick ... thanks for that. I know of Stormfront and their pathetic view of life, and that article was not posted by me, but my old American webmaster who used to gather lots of information together for the archives a few years ago from endless sources. He probably did not understand the organisation and I can't be expected to keep on top of every single page out of the thousands on the site.
I post 90% of the information these days and I can assure you that Stormfront info will not be among it. However, these guys that complain also want a (massive) rocket up their arse for throwing babies out with bathwater when all hell is breaking loose around the world - just as I predicted it would at a time when people were laughing in my face.
If they spent more time seeing the forest instead of navel-contemplating the twigs they might just make a greater contribution to sorting it out. Please pass on these thoughts by all means and tell them I would be delighted to supply the rocket fuel because I am up to here with robot radicals and their self-indulgent, self-satisfied, myopia.
If these guys want to resist racism they might look behind the smokescreen rock concerts and G8 aid bollocks to see the blatant and horrific agenda of calculated genocide unfolding in Africa. But then why should they listen to me when, out of some 6,000 to 7,000 web pages, there is one with some Stormfront tosser as a source?
best wishes to you mate,
David
Well; fairplay if he takes the article down immediately, then that's the most creditable thing he could do.
It's amazing how his conceit and ego comes across though isn't it, even in this little response. Apparently we're meant to link the increasingly traumatic global events with people 'laughing in my (Icke's) face' for some reason, as if there's some kind of cause and effect thing going on.
And despite his prophetic skills and trumpeted self-importance, it turns out that 'he can't be expected' to even keep track of the articles on a website that carries his name. Which is precisely what he should be doing, from both a legal and good practice standpoint.
Who's self-satisfied and myopic now then?
It's amazing how his conceit and ego comes across though isn't it, even in this little response. Apparently we're meant to link the increasingly traumatic global events with people 'laughing in my (Icke's) face' for some reason, as if there's some kind of cause and effect thing going on.
And despite his prophetic skills and trumpeted self-importance, it turns out that 'he can't be expected' to even keep track of the articles on a website that carries his name. Which is precisely what he should be doing, from both a legal and good practice standpoint.
Who's self-satisfied and myopic now then?