David Davis resigns as MP over civil liberties

[marty21]

The BNP aren't standing against him, because they agree with him.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7450627.stm

Yeah, that's the BNP taking a more liberal line than the parliamentary Labour party. Utterly ridiculous.

It looks like he'll end up against Kelvin Mackenzie, which has the makings of a real mess for both major parties, since I'm sure Davis will thoroughly tear Mackenzie and the whole authoritarian thing apart, but the weight behind the Sun readership will no longer automatically back the Tories.

didn't realise that - so DD versus Kelvin, and whatever other candidates take advantage of the publicity fest - it's going to be a carnival

 

[laptop]

Yeah, that's the BNP taking a more liberal line than the parliamentary Labour party. Utterly ridiculous.

Not quite.

The Bill adds "or racial" to the 2000 Act's definition of "terrorism".

 

[kidtripod]

Well, yeah. I hope Davis can drag this out as much as possible, and keep this issue in the spotlight as much as he can. A well publicised debate between Mackenzie and Davis that sticks to the issues he raised without the usual party politics is exactly what the country needs. My only concern is that Mackenzie will get the support of the media.

I get the feeling Davis had something of a mid life crisis and decided to do something meaningful with his life, and if that means sodding his career so be it. He may have done the country an enormous favour in the process.

 

[laptop]

My only concern is that Mackenzie will get the support of the media.

No support from any hacks that have had to work under him.

So to speak.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

I dunno, the loathsome Tim Spanton would probably do anything for him.

 

[magneze]

I would have thought Mackenzie will get support from the Sun and little else. I can't really see any other paper passing up the chance to make them look like idiots. I wonder what the Times will do ... isn't it meant to be more independent of Murdoch or something?

 

[Threshers_Flail]

I would have thought Mackenzie will get support from the Sun and little else.

I do doubt whether David Davis would survive a smear campaign from the sun, he hasn't got enough popular support to do so.

 

[brasicritique]

It may well be a ploy but according to World at One he isn't going to be getting the official backing of the tory party but if he wins in a straight 'civil liberties' fight and wins then it reflects well on the tories and damages NL more. If he loses then he was standing without sanction and the shit doesn't stick so much.

Good on him though. Shame it had to be a tory who has done this.

says a lot about those so called back benchers in the labour party it puts them to shame

 

[kidtripod]

I do doubt whether David Davis would survive a smear campaign from the sun, he hasn't got enough popular support to do so.

The dilemma for the Sun will be that by opposing him they will feed his own publicity machine. He needs an opponent, and the Sun won't want to be made to look like idiots.

Davis did have a decent majority in his area, and Mackenzie has attempted to get elected on special mandates to things like councils before, and failed. The problem is not that the Sun will mount a personal attack, but that all the media will focus on the personalities and not the issues in question.

It's a real shame none of the Labour rebels have decided to go for it as well. Then things would be really good.

 

[treelover]

Mckenzie will also introduce many other 'themes' such as crime, immigration, 'welfare scroungers' (his big pet hate) etc

 

[exosculate]

Mckenzie will also introduce many other 'themes' such as crime, immigration, 'welfare scroungers' (his big pet hate) etc

But he's a welfare recipient himself, is it not after all common knowledge he is fed intravenously on Murdochs semen.

 

[liampreston]

Some blogs are reporting that anti-smoking ban campaigners are considering standing, as well as "Mad Cow" for the Monster Raving Loonies.

 

[Darios]

You folks might appreciate this

 

[soulman]

And the 'left' response is...

 

[marty21]

And the 'left' response is...

is there a king of the left or something? is there an organisation called "the left" ?

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

The idea of Mckenzie running is very disturbing because he will go with authoritarian populism plus the phoney "hey, Im not a real politician - Im so fresh and funky"

He is a Murdoch stooge. If there's one thing worse than establishment politicians it is the elite like Murdoch who pull the strings.

This campaign could and should in some ways attempt to expose the hideous regeime that is Murdoch and his festering reactionary shitrags.

 

[isitme]

the words pissup and brewery spring to mind

 

[liampreston]

And the 'left' response is...

i am not sure there can be a "left" response. This slice of comfy affluence in Yorkshire's green and pleasant will not have much of a natural "left" vote; and anyway from what we all have heard, this is supposed to be framed as a pro- verses anti- 42 days election. Unless there is a figure on the left-wing who fancies los ingi their deposit by fighting an election on all issues and none, I'd leave this one be.

 

[JimPage]

Worrying thing here is Mackenzie will do quite well here, on on openly Authoritarian ticket- the sort of ticket the BNP would stand on if they were true to themselves, and not try to pretend to be civil libertarians over the 42 days issue.

As to who is currently standing, its the Monster Loonys and McKenzie. BNP, Lib Dems, UKIP are not.

 

[The Black Hand]

Worrying thing here is Mackenzie will do quite well here, on on openly Authoritarian ticket- the sort of ticket the BNP would stand on if they were true to themselves, and not try to pretend to be civil libertarians over the 42 days issue.

As to who is currently standing, its the Monster Loonys and McKenzie. BNP, Lib Dems, UKIP are not.

I, the great white hope, am thinking of standing

Shouldn't be too hard to produce great hard hitting literature - the sheer hypocrisy of a tory standing on civil liberties grounds. Say that it isn't a real risk - just about promoting himself, say that the right BNP are not a serious alternative either as they all want more repression.

Stand on a fairly old labour platform, get former miners involved and canvassing from the region, and the best of the labour movement from the region too

 

[Belushi]

I, the great white hope, am thinking of standing

That would be ace I'd make a (v small Im afraid) donation to your fighting fund!

 

[JimPage]

The BNP aren't standing against him, because they agree with him.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7450627.stm

Yeah, that's the BNP taking a more liberal line than the parliamentary Labour party. Utterly ridiculous.
.

Dont be fooled, we would have 420 days under the BNP.

 

[The Black Hand]

Dont be fooled, we would have 420 days under the BNP.

4200.

 

[Combustible]

It's a real shame none of the Labour rebels have decided to go for it as well. Then things would be really good.

How would that work? They'd be fighting a by-election against candidates who also opposed 42 days.

 

[marty21]

That would be ace I'd make a (v small Im afraid) donation to your fighting fund!

lol - that would be good - i'd make a small donation too

 

[biff curtains]

I, the great white hope, am thinking of standing

That would be fantastic... You really should.

 

[poster342002]

And the 'left' response is...

To hop around in a confused circle with it's foot in it's gob and it's hand up it's arse as usual, I would guess.

 

[Darios]

And the 'left' response is...

A Voila! :

"Maybe instead of Labour fielding a candidate in Haltemprice & Howden we should find a Martin Bell type candidate - preferably a recently retired senior police officer, or a survivor or relative of a victim of a terrorist attack, to run under the following 5 word candidate description: "Independent - for detaining terrorism suspects".

I'm fed up with us playing softball with the Tories while they posture and pontificate on this issue. If they want to play liberal they should pay the full political price for it and be eviscerated at the polls for being soft on national security. We should have their stance on this issue on every single poster and leaflet at the next General Election and then see how Davis and his mates feel about a referendum on this issue."

Luke Akehurst, Labour Group Chief Whip

 

[xenon]

Oh, if Davis does a good job on 42 days, the ID Card and the suchlike he should get a majority!?

That said not all conservative voters are anti ID Cards, and not all anti 42 days either so the votes for and against could come from across the whole electorate there which paints a rather different picture.

I'm probably missing quite a lot here but. I get the impression the Tory party aren't thrilled about what Davis has done. Why not? Were i a Tory strategist (spits), I'd be seeing this as a great opportunity, to push the party forward on a firm platform of individual freedom, liberalisation, small government. Hardly anyone I know or hear talking about such issues as the 42 days, ID cards etc agree with them. I find it hard to believe the majority of voters back such ledgislation. Even those that do must be vunrible to the idea this government isn't fit to handle such complex and important law. The lost disks, dociers.

 

[xenon]

Yesteraday i thought this was a cunning stroke by the Conservatives to force another Nantwich on Brown, forgetting that Labour dont have to stand in the by election

Now it looks like Davies only opponent is going to be Kelvin fucking Mackenzie

I can't abide that twat. If he does standagainst Davies, i'm predicting a humiliating defeat and much welcome public bloody nose for him.