David Davis resigns as MP over civil liberties

[Stoat Boy]

Is this the same David Davis who voted against the repeal of one of the most draconian pieces of legislation dreamed up the by 'libertarian' Tories? The repeal of the discriminatory and oppressive Clause 28?

I'm not convinced by his integrity one jot.

LOL.

Somehow the issue of whether its smashing to teach kids that being Gay is 'normal' as opposed to trying to get even more powers to lock people up without charging them are hardly comparable.

Clause 28 was a rubbish piece of legislation which, to my knowledge, never ever got used by anybody. Still keep on looking for excuses over why its taken a Tory to make a deinite stand on this issue.

 

[John Quays]

LOL.
Somehow the issue of whether its smashing to teach kids that being Gay is 'normal' as opposed to trying to get even more powers to lock people up without charging them are hardly comparable.



Deliberately provocative bit of grandstanding there. Why, isn't it normal to be gay? Why put normal in inverted commas? Odd choice of word too, 'smashing' (inverted commas because I'm quoting you).

You're right though that it's quite feasible to have these two views. No one is obliged to be an across-the-board anything.

 

[Barking_Mad]

Scenario: ALF bombs an animal testing lab. The government, in response, declares ALF a terrorist organisation. The police find signatures, names and addresses on petitions during dawn raids or ALF and other animal rights group premises. Hundreds of people are arrested on suspicion of being members of , and funding a terrorist organisation.

That would make things fun, wouldn't it?

 

[Louis MacNeice]

LOL.

Somehow the issue of whether its smashing to teach kids that being Gay is 'normal' as opposed to trying to get even more powers to lock people up without charging them are hardly comparable.

Clause 28 was a rubbish piece of legislation which, to my knowledge, never ever got used by anybody. Still keep on looking for excuses over why its taken a Tory to make a definite stand on this issue.

Rubbish in its intent, rubbish in its ability to be used, or both?

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[Stoat Boy]

Deliberately provocative bit of grandstanding there. Why, isn't it normal to be gay? Why put normal in inverted commas? Odd choice of word too, 'smashing' (inverted commas because I'm quoting you).

A valid point. In truth I am bored of the gay rights lobby trying to hijack every debate as though their struggle is somehow of the utmost importance. At best its a small minoirity group who are getting everything they want.

 

[butchersapron]

A valid point. In truth I am bored of the gay rights lobby trying to hijack every debate as though their struggle is somehow of the utmost importance. At best its a small minoirity group who are getting everything they want.

Oh god, i suppose it's time for men to stand up to the feminists too?

 

[Louis MacNeice]

A valid point. In truth I am bored of the gay rights lobby trying to hijack every debate as though their struggle is somehow of the utmost importance. At best its a small minoirity group who are getting everything they want.

Getting what most of the rest of us already have and take for granted...yep they're greedy bastards alright.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Oh god, i suppose it's time for men to stand up to the feminists too?

Aren't you sick of the gays ramming their agenda down your throat?

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[butchersapron]

Aren't you sick of the gays ramming their agenda down your throat?

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

I'm practically choking on it - how about you stoat boy?

 

[Louis MacNeice]

I'm practically choking on it - how about you stoat boy?

I'd have gone for 'gagging'.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[cockneyrebel]

I mean who do they think the fuck they are going around asking for equal rights. Good for you stoat boy standing up to those abnormal people.

Looks to have been a bit of a dumb move, too - I doubt either Labour or Lib Dems are going to step in and fight the by-election.

I think I've changed my mind on this. Originally thought it was a good move but now the Lib Dems and Labour are saying they won't stand I think it's backfired and made him look a bit of an idiot and has distracted from Brown's problems.

 

[weltweit]

But its OK because Kelvin Mackenzie will probably stand against him.

If Kelvin wins where will he sit in Parliament?

 

[Jeff Robinson]

In truth I am bored of the gay rights lobby trying to hijack every debate as though their struggle is somehow of the utmost importance. At best its a small minoirity group who are getting everything they want.

I'm fed up to the back teeth of the gay rights mafia setting in the agenda in this once great country!! Wake up people - this is just the beginning. I've got three words for you: no.

 

[magneze]

But its OK because Kelvin Mackenzie will probably stand against him.

If Kelvin wins where will he sit in Parliament?

What's Mackenzie's manifesto?

* More detention without charge
* More CCTV
* More ID cards
* ?

 

[treelover]

@JeffRobinison,

that 'twat a thon', generator is hilarious, but i can't help thinking that it does show the elitism and condescension that liberals have for most of the population, I think, Kelvin McKenzie, imo, a very dangerous man, will do his best to campaign on this percieved elitism in the coming bye-election

 

[Jeff Robinson]

@JeffRobinison,

that 'twat a thon', generator is hilarious, but i can't help thinking that it does show the elitism and condescension that liberals have for most of the population, I think, Kelvin McKenzie, imo, a very dangerous man, will do his best to campaign on this percieved elitism in the coming bye-election

I disagree treelover - most of the population have better things to do with their time than scrawl illiterate, bigoted rants under the guise of informed comment on the internet (unlike me!).

McKenzie can fuck off too.

 

[rover07]

Kelvin Mackenzie to stand.

Well done my Sun.

Two Tories fighting over who's more freedom loving.

You couldnt make it up

 

[Darios]

For me the biggest shock has been how the media have reacted to this story. I can only put it down to the worlds of Westminster and the London Media being so detached from the notion of anybody doing anything based on their principles that its a case of them just not being able to comprehend that Davies has done what he has because he has a genuine belief.

Westminster Village vs The Real World

 

[Darios]

Kelvin Mackenzie to stand.

Well done my Sun.

Two Tories fighting over who's more freedom loving.

You couldnt make it up

Absolutely fucking surreal is it not?

In a way the idea of someone actually standing, in all seriousness, to represent the Sun as a politician illustrates the actual nature and substance of politics in this country.

"Mr Mackenzie, who backs Labour on 42 days, said he was "90%" likely to stand on behalf of the Sun.

He told the BBC: "I have been associated with The Sun for 30 years. The Sun is very, very hostile to David Davis because of his 28 day stance and The Sun has always been very up for 42 days and perhaps even 420 days."
From The BBC

 

[treelover]

i knew it wouldn't be long before politics took such a populist turn, it happened in Italy a few years back with Berlesconi and now back again, pretty dangerous stuff imo, writers like Jeremy Seabrook have been predicting for a while that this is the road UK politics would go down.

 

[cockneyrebel]

The worst thing about the Sun is it's basically a load of upper middle class, private school educated, oxbridge wankers writing articles to try and sound like what they think working class people would write. Patronising fuckers as well as right wing wankers. Every bit as patronising as the people who write the Guardian and Independent.

 

[liampreston]

It certainly opens up the question of what is libertarianism in the UK, when two otherwise right-wing men are fighting over the same issue of civil liberties. If Labour do not stand, then Kelvin is the only pro-42 days candidate in a straight fight with someone who is against; it's fairly clear stuff, but if Kelvin tries to bring in other topics (and you bet he will), the gamble may not pay off.

 

[cockneyrebel]

Just googled Rebecca wade. She went to "Sorbonne" which is the Paris equivalent of Oxbridge. And went to "Appleton Hall County Grammar School".

 

[butchersapron]

It certainly opens up the question of what is libertarianism in the UK, when two otherwise right-wing men are fighting over the same issue of civil liberties. If Labour do not stand, then Kelvin is the only pro-42 days candidate in a straight fight with someone who is against; it's fairly clear stuff, but if Kelvin tries to bring in other topics (and you bet he will), the gamble may not pay off.

Hang on, another real-anti 42 days, pro-civil liberties candidate is on the way.

 

[Darios]

Hang on, another real-anti 42 days, pro-civil liberties candidate is on the way.

When can you give us details butchers?

 

[butchersapron]

When can you give us details butchers?

As soon as the bugger gets up/back from what he's doing and confirms if he's going to go through with it or not.

 

[Belushi]

As soon as the bugger gets up/back from what he's doing and confirms if he's going to go through with it or not.

It's Attica aint it?

 

[butchersapron]

It's Attica aint it?

God help us all

(Just to confirm for nay doubters it's NOT attica)

 

[poster342002]

Apparently, former "Sun" editor Kelvin Mackenzie will stand against David Davies on a national security platform.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7452264.stm

I think we need to forget sectarian idoicy for a minute and think about the fact that a clear "battle line" is being drawn on all this. Although it would have been nice if it had been a non-tory making a stand over this, at least someone has had the balls to say that this slow slide into authoritarianism has to be confronted. For the first time in years, it's no longer "a given" that this is just "the normal way things are".

Does anyone here really want Mackenzie to win this? We don't have the luxury of just saying "it's not important".

 

[Meltingpot]

Know what, it doesn't matter. We are sliding towards totalitarianism at the moment, and whatever the motives, this is an attempt to halt that slide.

Agreed, and he is taking the at least small risk of losing his seat.