D Stock trains on London Underground due to disappear
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Grew up with these on the Metropolitan line in from Croxley so for me they will always be 'my proper' tube trains. But the new ones are better.
I wonder if they will be retired to frolic on the Isle of Wight?
There is actually a company who want to refurb them with diesel engines and use them to replace the Pacers that are coming to end of life.
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How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
Nice, we get Cross Rail in London and the North gets our cast offs. Great!There is actually a company who want to refurb them with diesel engines and use them to replace the Pacers that are coming to end of life.
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farmerbarleymow
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That's a source of irritation up here, to say the least. Should turn it around and we'll get the new trains and London can have the shitty pacers.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Why the rest of the country hates London, right there.There is actually a company who want to refurb them with diesel engines and use them to replace the Pacers that are coming to end of life.
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London stops growing and you'll need to pay for your own whippets.
London's taxes prop up the rest of the UK: One pound in every five earned in the capital funds the rest of the country | This is Money
farmerbarleymow
I'm Petee's spirit animal
Missing the point. Everything is skewed in favour of London to the detriment of the rest of the country. That includes a massive disparity in investment per capita on transport. Not surprising London prospers when it continually gets lavish public funding - a vicious circle.
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Metropolitan Line ran A Stock (up to about 2012), similar flat sided cars by very different interiors.
Anyway R.I.P. The Diccys
marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
We don't want your shitty pacers
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Don't you think that's a mite fucked up? The only other country with such a disproportionately large amount of GDP in the capital's likely Ireland. Certainly not the case in France, Germany, Italy etc
farmerbarleymow
I'm Petee's spirit animal
I used to eat each stripe one at a time. But then I was a strange child.The only pacers worth having
davesgcr
Reading books
Just about caught the last of these beauties in service ...fabulous comfy seats and character. the flaring was not aerodynamics , but an attempt to get people to stand back from the platfrom edge. Red trains just seem so right.meh
the pre-war stuff that the D stock replaced was better
Was clearing out the garage today and found Bakerloo internal car number 012350 internal car number badge which I purchased Got a set of those train number plates - solid metal - at a sale in Acton Works in 1983. Going to refurbish and polish up for my new study.
farmerbarleymow
I'm Petee's spirit animal
And we don't want your second hand crap either.We don't want your shitty pacers
Anyway, if the London cast offs are good enough for continued use once refurbished then there's no reason for London to get new trains at all. Just tart them up and keep using them - and the money saved can be invested in the rest of the country.
bi0boy
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Those countries have land borders in various directions. For the UK and Ireland the nearest countries are all in one direction.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
How quickly Gibraltar's forgotten. But more importantly it is bad news for a country when its capital city is so much larger and more important economically than the second, third and fourth largest city. It distorts priorities. It distorts investment, which goes disproportionately to the capital.
bi0boy
Power User
The point being the capital is often like that for reasons. In the absence of regional geographic industries as pull factors like mining or shipbuilding we'd have to do a Brasilia to drag money out of London.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Yeh. Often. Right.
So what should be done ?
Move parliament won't work unless you basically move all government.
You could conceivably move the House of Lords.
Most government departments have gone.
Alex
farmerbarleymow
I'm Petee's spirit animal
They should move the whole of government to provide more of a balance - other countries have separate economic and political capitals, and there is no reason it wouldn't work here. The physical distance between government and the city of london would help too, at least it wouldn't be quite as cosy as it is currently.
They haven't all 'mostly gone' - that just isn't true. The main departments are all based in London, with regional offices. There were reports last year that one department (BIS I think) was centralising functions previously based in Sheffield back to London.
Yes - you are correct Civil Service statistics - Office for National Statistics
Total percentage in London same as 10 years ago.
Is the answer to move parliament ?
Alex
farmerbarleymow
I'm Petee's spirit animal
Move the lot in my view. Parliament, Whitehall and any associated functions. It would help another city in the country and create a counterweight to the malign influence London has on the nation. The decrepitude of Parliament is the perfect opportunity - move that first, then government departments (accounting for commitments to building leases, etc.). It would probably take at least ten years to do but would be worth it in the long run.
Given technological developments, there could even be a multi-centre model, with departments scattered in different cities across the North and Midlands, but with Parliament somewhere in the North (i.e. as far from London as possible in England).
