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not that tweet, but was spotted by urbans own from the figures
Coronavirus in the UK - news, lockdown and discussion
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not that tweet, but was spotted by urbans own from the figures
Gramsci
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My partner Mother is in Madrid area. Total lockdown. One implication is that people die alone with no friends or family to support them . That is what is
happening.
Also London has a massive population. Many of whom are living in poor conditions. Some are homeless. I don't see how a total lockdown will be accepted without harsh measures.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
I've been thinking it over and on balance I believe that, over the lifetimes of those who live through it, lockdown will cost more years of more lives than the virus itself.
Not to say it doesn't need to happen. But there must be a point on the sliding scale of duration and severity of restrictions where you end up doing more harm than good.
Not to say it doesn't need to happen. But there must be a point on the sliding scale of duration and severity of restrictions where you end up doing more harm than good.
Steel Icarus
ersatz maven
Bit late innit? I mean it's half past midnight
ska invita
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desperate drug addicts owning the streets around whitechapel according to this - paints a raw picture
ska invita
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agree
its not going to go well whatever happens
much of london living is sardine tins
and a lot of people just got jobless
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ash
Inittogether
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
London is an example of what years of neo liberalism does to a City. On local community level people will support each other. But overall all London is not an example of social cohesion.
I have heard only a few people I know want total lockdown. I don't see a lot of trust in the State institutions. Also feeling that the well off / rich will cope ok but the poor will be shafted. Either now or when its over. They see the example of what happened with the last economic crisis. That is talking to the people I work with and know.
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yeah im curious about whats happening elsewhere on the ground, beyond the singing neighbourhoods
The UK has the smallest homes in Europe, says new research
An investigation by Sellhousefast.uk has revealed Britain has the smallest homes in Europe, measuring less than the regulatory minimum in some cases
www.pbctoday.co.uk
Though London comes 15th on this
Europe's most densely populated square kilometres – mapped
Prof Alasdair Rae has crunched data to locate the densest square kilometre in every European country – here are the top 15
www.theguardian.com
Stats hide the picture - certain parts of London will swing a stat. There'll be key areas combining poverty + painful economic impact of lockdown + squashed housing
little_legs
Поехали!
That's with us only testing clinical cases.With caveats about assumed trajectories etc...this is pretty convincing & very worrying.
We will be Italy in 9 days...and they locked down properly 10 days ago.
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Miss-Shelf
I'll meet you further on up the road
I've been wondering how this will play out
toblerone3
Grrrrr
Going to flag this to my girlfriend who is planning to go down Sainsburys in Whitechapel on Monday.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
I’ve got various mates who work in ‘drug action’ and associated teams and they’re all doing really good stuff around registered addicts. But absolutely duck all about the unregistered ones. There’s another complete health disaster waiting to happen there.
scifisam
feck! arse! girls! drink!
That's where I was yesterday morning, and it didn't feel dangerous in the tiniest bit - it was friendlier than usual, even. I'm not discounting that bloke's video, but that big Sainsbury's is well guarded (not due to Coronoavirus - it's always had security guards; I've seen people say "and now there are security guards at the supermarket!" and wondered how they never noticed them before) and very safe.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Yep, Gtech is ready to go into production within days, and has come up with a design that can be made by almost any engineering and manufacturing company.
'I thought it was a hoax' - Worcester company in race against time to build life-saving ventilators for coronavirus patients
A COMPANY based in Worcester has designed a medical ventilator to be used in hospitals in response to the Covid-19 pandemic.
Lurdan
old wave
I think that picture could be interpreted as something rather more dramatic than the current position warrants. Yes there has been a floating population of junkies and street drinkers for as long as I've lived here (early 80s). In recent years the Council and the filth have been attempting to 'disrupt' them and stop them settling anywhere particular. That has made them a little less visible in many parts of the Borough. When Martin refers to tourists and commuters it seems to me that he is talking in particular about the areas in the west of Tower Hamlets around the tourist attractions (Tower Hill, Brick Lane etc.) and the transport facilities serving them.
Estates come in all types and I'd expect that ones where there are already issues may see them get worse. The one I live on, not far from the areas Martin is referring to, has always been pretty quiet. In the past that meant it was used as a regular gathering point for groups of people waiting for the mobile dealer but I haven't seen that happen for a long time. Last week there was some shouting out the back over a couple of days as someone made a series of attempts to attract the attention of someone who wasn't responding. And a couple of aggressive sounding arguments. Sufficiently unusual events to attract my notice. But I don't feel inclined to construct a narrative around them. The current situation isn't just affecting junkies and drinkers. The extremely tenuous support networks (official and unofficial) for poor, homeless and vulnerable people have just been disrupted or broken. A lot of people are in serious difficulty and that will manifest itself publicly but mostly in ways that aren't a danger to other people.
Certainly there is potential for more aggressive begging, and worse than that. But at the moment IMO it's still mainly a matter of the warning signs that things could get far worse than they have been.
Really wouldn't over stress it.
When I went to Whitechapel Sainsbury's on Thursday to try out the 'silver hour' I saw nothing at all untoward. And I wouldn't really expect to - it's not somewhere where the junkie/drinker types are going to be very successful begging.
Are acute cases of COVID-19 predominantly long-term smokers? Key facts have recently been reported about acute cases of COVID-19 such as: acute symptoms are concentrated among the elderly; children suffer almost no mortality nor even severe symptoms; there are twice as many acute cases among men as among women in the UK. Elderly male smokers in the UK (and past smokers) outnumber female smokers (and past smokers) by nearly two to one (this is shown by the graph below and at this link: https://www.closer.ac.uk/data/cigarette-smoking-prevalence/) Children largely do not smoke. Smoking damage to lungs is cumulative over time, so would be greater in elderly smokers. Hence all the curious facts about acute cases of COVID-19 would be explained by the single hypothesis that it is particularly targeting long-term lung damage in smokers. Nor would this be at all surprising in a disease that targets the lungs. Has anyone investigated this hypothesis? Clearly it would be overwhelmingly important in the management of the crisis were it a valid hypothesis. We would know exactly who needs protection.
Supine
Newt Member
UK manufacturer of ventilators planning to manufacture 5000 ventilators in the next couple of weeks raising to 30,000 in the coming months 
www.mtdmfg.com
Smiths Group significantly ramping up production of its PARAPAC Plus ventilators | MTDMFG
Smiths, the global technology company, (LSE: SMIN.L) announces that its Smiths Medical division is ramping up production of its PARAPAC Plus ventilator at its Luton site to meet increased demand from the UK and across Europe. Smiths Medical is working with its supply chain to increase weekly...
www.mtdmfg.com
Actually:UK manufacturer of ventilators planning to manufacture 5000 ventilators in the next couple of weeks raising to 30,000 in the coming months
Smiths Group significantly ramping up production of its PARAPAC Plus ventilators | MTDMFG
Smiths, the global technology company, (LSE: SMIN.L) announces that its Smiths Medical division is ramping up production of its PARAPAC Plus ventilator at its Luton site to meet increased demand from the UK and across Europe. Smiths Medical is working with its supply chain to increase weekly...
“helping the UK Government deliver its ambitious plan of 5,000 additional ventilators within two weeks, with the intention to scale availability to 30,000 over the coming months”
It isn’t clear how much of that will be from Smith’s. Also, 30,000 isn’t going to be anywhere near enough, I fear.
Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
Yep, I've been asking about this on the Spanish politics thread but apparently the balance of harm/good has not been much of a debate there yet.
ruffneck23
front left
UK could enforce Italy-style coronavirus lockdown if people fail to stay at home, minister suggests
‘This isn’t a game, it is very serious,’ warns Robert Jenrick
www.independent.co.uk
FFS , but I'm not sure what is going to stop the Covidiots
I am not for one second advocating it mind
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
And if that debate doesn't happen openly and in full view, the result will be everyone coming to their own conclusions in private and either rejecting lockdown measures en masse or, perhaps more likely, taking their anger out on whoever they're locked in with.
This has already been handled in a way that's been catastrophic for mental health. The government has been saying one thing and doing another the next day, over and over again. That leaves nothing solid, nothing that can be relied on, no way to start to get a handle on any of this. And it's still going on. We're all still in fucking limbo. And it doesn't even serve a purpose, it's costing lives from continued spread of the virus and it's driving people mad.
There's a balance to be struck yes, but that's not the same as sitting on the fence doing nothing. It needs to be these are the measures we're bringing in to stop the virus, and these are the measures we'll be using to protect public health during that time. And the reasoning must be clear. The Spanish policy where you can walk your dog but not yourself for example, that makes no sense. All it does is tell people that they're worth less than a dog.
bimble
floofy
Just in case anyone else is as dumb as me -I got a lesson last night on what a logarithmic scale is (like the Y axis in all these graphs). It's being used to represent exponential growth in cases and deaths in graphs like that one so that that everything doesn't just look like an almost vertical line.
The gentle looking curves on these graphs are really misleading if you don't look at the y axis properly and get that.
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