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Charlie Gard parents announce death of 'beautiful boy' - BBC News

Poor little lad, 11 month old, Charlie Guard died after his life support systems were turned off.

There had been court cases between his parents and Great Ormond Street hospital about experimental treatment in America which his parents thought might extend his life, the hospital disagreed.

It must be very difficult when parents and doctors disagree, especially on such a critical issue.

He suffered from an extremely rare genetic condition causing progressive brain damage and muscle weakness.

His parents, Connie Yates and Chris Gard, fought a lengthy legal battle with Great Ormond Street Hospital (GOSH) to allow him to be taken to the US for treatment.

But on Monday they dropped their legal battle after Prof Michio Hirano, the American neurologist who had offered to treat him, said it was too late for it to work.

A sad story.
 
The tragic case of Charlie Gard - BBC News

As well as the legal dispute, there was a second battle fought very effectively online by Charlie's parents.

They crowd-funded £1.3m, with more than 80,000 donations, and there were petitions and a Facebook site called Charlie's Army.
...

The judge said it was one of the pitfalls of social media that the watching world felt it right to have opinions without knowing the facts of the case.

Doctors and nurses at Great Ormond Street, one of the world's most renowned children's hospitals, were subject to abuse and even death threats - which Charlie's parents condemned.
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It must have been very difficult for his parents.

I vividly remember when my mum was on life support after a suspected major heart attack, one side of me was siding with the doctors who were saying there was no hope and that turning off the life support would see her die because she was unable to breathe for herself and a second side of me was saying - this is my mother, I have to get a second opinion, I must keep her going on the machines and seek out the very best doctors to see if there is any hope for a recovery.

In the end I trusted the local doctors, plus she had said when alive, many years earlier, that the last thing she wanted was to end up in hospital connected to loads of machines keeping her alive. So we turned off the machines and she died.
 
It raises interesting questions, the case, the bbc is reporting that the hospital had no right to turn off life support without the agreement of his parents, and when that agreement was not forthcoming they had no remedy other than to take the case to court.

I didn't know hospitals needed the consent of the next of kin.
 
I find the whole thing ridiculous tbh. The Pope and the PM have sent tributes now. The parents have been courted by everyone from UKIP and publicists to American doctors and evangelists.
Well his case was "in the news" and those individuals, the pope / the pm, like to comment on stuff in the news. If it was in Cameron's time you can bet he would have commented.
 
Well his case was "in the news" and those individuals, the pope / the pm, like to comment on stuff in the news. If it was in Cameron's time you can bet he would have commented.

What happened to "Of course I won't comment on the specifics of this court case but in general terms I think parents, doctors and the courts have difficult decisions to make in such situations"? I guess that's only useful when they don't want to jump on the bandwagon.
 
What happened to "Of course I won't comment on the specifics of this court case but in general terms I think parents, doctors and the courts have difficult decisions to make in such situations"? I guess that's only useful when they don't want to jump on the bandwagon.
Cameron used to comment almost daily, it used to drive me nuts. I think they are jumping on the bandwagon yes, there is no reason why they would have any greater insight than the rest of us but somehow they feel the need to use their prominence to make comment. Is it populist? perhaps or probably ..
 
Cameron used to comment almost daily, it used to drive me nuts. I think they are jumping on the bandwagon yes, there is no reason why they would have any greater insight than the rest of us but somehow they feel the need to use their prominence to make comment. Is it populist? perhaps or probably ..

Or fucking obviously.
 
It was back in April the hospital wanted to withdraw life support at the start of the high court case - If they had done that I suspect Charlie would have died then - In July the American doctors offering experimental treatment at great expense still hadn't visited to examine him.
The success of Charlie's parent's campaign between January and April must have turned their world upside down whilst they were also dealing with the trauma of having a tragically terminally ill child to consider - It doesn't bear thinking about - but it does sound like they lost sight of the reality of the situation. Sad.
 
Cameron used to comment on what almost daily?
Cameron used to comment on all sorts of news stories, almost daily I would hear his comment on one or other item when there were likely many more competent people whose views should have been heard. I noticed it at the time, usually BBC R4 coverage.
 
It was back in April the hospital wanted to withdraw life support at the start of the high court case - If they had done that I suspect Charlie would have died then - In July the American doctors offering experimental treatment at great expense still hadn't visited to examine him.
The success of Charlie's parent's campaign between January and April must have turned their world upside down whilst they were also dealing with the trauma of having a tragically terminally ill child to consider - It doesn't bear thinking about - but it does sound like they lost sight of the reality of the situation. Sad.

If you have a desperately ill child and docs say it is terminal, then another doc says there is some hope, what would you do?
 
And this is the official statement from Great Ormond Street, written by a QC but not in the language you normally get from a QC. I cried when I read it.

http://www.gosh.nhs.uk/file/23731/download?token=TWJkSxZu
This statement cut and paste in two parts -

GOSH’S POSITION STATEMENT
HEARING ON 24 JULY 2017
1. The hearts of all at GOSH go out to Connie Yates and Chris Gard. Over the weekend, they communicated their desire to spend all the time they can with Charlie whilst working with the hospital to formulate the best possible plan for his end of life care. The agony, desolation and bravery of their decision command GOSH’s utmost respect and humble all who work there. Whilst GOSH has striven to work with them throughout, Charlie’s needs have taken priority. It is greatly hoped that in the days ahead, it will be possible to extend to his parents the same quality of care with which Charlie has been provided and to concentrate on the family as a whole.

2. Charlie’s parents have fought long and hard for what they have been led to believe was
a treatment that would give him a chance to be the Charlie he was before the effects of
his illness became evident. Since nucleoside treatment (“NBT”) is not invasive when
added to food and there is no evidence that it has caused significant damage to the TK2
deficient patients to whom it has been administered, they have, rightly and urgently,
sought to know: Why not give Charlie that chance? What does he have to lose? They
feel now, and perhaps will feel for some long time to come, that if only GOSH had
treated Charlie months ago, they would have been spared the impossible decision they
make now.
3. These deeply affecting questions deserve answers. From the moment of his diagnosis
at GOSH, Charlie’s prognosis was known to be bleak. The early infantile onset of his
extraordinarily rare disease, his generalised myopathy and the respiratory failure which
left him dependent on a ventilator, were all factors indicating that his life’s span was
likely to be very limited indeed. Despite the sombre prognosis, GOSH’s mitochondrial
expert contacted counterparts across the world, including Professor Hirano, to explore
the possibility of experimental treatment, NBT.
4. No animal or human with Charlie’s condition, RRM2B deficiency (“RRM2B”), has
been treated with NBT and therefore an application to the Rapid Response Clinical
Ethics Committee was prepared in January. NBT was and is a possible treatment for
GOSH patients suffering with TK2 deficiency (“TK2”), a similar genetic disorder, but
there is a crucial difference between the two conditions. TK2 affects muscle (and is
treated with 2 compounds) whereas RRM2B affects muscle, other organs and brain
(and would be treated with 4 compounds – see GOSH’s Position Statement of 13 July,
paragraph 18).
5. Charlie started having seizures before Christmas, those being a recognised
complication of infantile onset RRM2B. Shortly before the planned ethics committee
application, he suffered increased seizure frequency and likely severe epileptic
encephalopathy. The entire treating team (acknowledged by the mitochondrial centres
in New York and Rome to be their equal) formed the view that Charlie had suffered
irreversible neurological damage and that as a result, any chance that NBT might have
had of benefitting Charlie had departed. That sad conclusion led to the best interests
application made in February and decided by the High Court on 11 April 2017.
6. Charlie’s parents believe that his brain was not damaged, that it was normal on MRI
scan in January and that treatment could have been effective at that time during the
months that followed. There remains no agreement on these issues. GOSH treats
patients and not scans. All aspects of the clinical picture and all of Charlie’s
observations indicated that his brain was irreversibly damaged and that NBT was futile.
Those were the Judge’s findings in April, upheld on appeal in May and on further
appeal in June. As the weeks have passed, the unstoppable effects of Charlie’s
aggressive, progressive, depletive disorder have become plainer to see.
7. At the first hearing in Charlie’s case in March, GOSH’s position was that every day
that passed was a day that was not in his best interests. That remains its view of his
welfare. Even now, Charlie shows physical responses to stressors that some of those
treating him interpret as pain and when two international experts assessed him last
week, they believed that they elicited a pain response. In GOSH’s view there has been
no real change in Charlie’s responsiveness since January. Its fear that his continued
existence has been painful to him has been compounded by the Judge’s finding, in
April, that since his brain became affected by RRM2B, Charlie’s has been an existence
devoid of all benefit and pleasure. If Charlie has had a relationship with the world
around him since his best interests were determined, it has been one of suffering.
 
8. Throughout, his parents’ hopes have been sustained by advice received from overseas.
Mitochondrial disorders comprise a specialised and small international field. The
experts in that field meet, collaborate and exchange ideas on a very regular basis and it
is that valued collaboration that allows progress to be made and patients to be provided
with the best possible care. Professor Hirano (“the Professor”), whose laboratory
research has an international reputation, is very well known to the experts at GOSH and
he communicated with them about NBT treatment for Charlie at the very end of
December. In January, GOSH invited the Professor to come and see Charlie. That
invitation remained open at all times but was not taken up until 18 July after being
extended, once again, this time by the Court.
9. In the months between January and July, the Professor provided written and oral
evidence for the best interests hearing in April and, after the Court decided that NBT
was not in Charlie’s best interests, he went on to provide further written evidence for
the Court of Appeal and the Supreme Court. Most recently, on 6 July, he co-signed the
letter indicating that he had new information that changed the picture for Charlie, that
brought this case back before the High Court.
10. When the hospital was informed that the Professor had new laboratory findings causing
him to believe NBT would be more beneficial to Charlie than he had previously opined,
GOSH’s hope for Charlie and his parents was that that optimism would be confirmed.
It was, therefore, with increasing surprise and disappointment that the hospital listened
to the Professor’s fresh evidence to the Court. On 13 July he stated that not only had he
not visited the hospital to examine Charlie but in addition, he had not read Charlie’s
contemporaneous medical records or viewed Charlie’s brain imaging or read all of the
second opinions about Charlie’s condition (obtained from experts all of whom had
taken the opportunity to examine him and consider his records) or even read the Judge’s
decision made on 11 April. Further, GOSH was concerned to hear the Professor state,
for the first time, whilst in the witness box, that he retains a financial interest in some
of the NBT compounds he proposed prescribing for Charlie. Devastatingly, the
information obtained since 13 July gives no cause for optimism. Rather, it confirms that
whilst NBT may well assist others in the future, it cannot and could not have assisted
Charlie.
11. In the months ahead, all at GOSH will be giving careful thought to what they can learn
from this bruising court case that might enrich the care it provides to its most vulnerable
patients and families. It is hoped that those who, like the Professor, have provided the
opinions that have so sustained Charlie’s parents, their hopes and thus this protracted
litigation with its many consequences, will also find much upon which to reflect.
12. GOSH is a tertiary referral centre and a centre of research excellence. It celebrates and
enthuses about gene therapy and experimental treatment of all types. But it also believes
in its patients as people. The hospital strives to work with children and parents to strike
a balance of treatment benefits and burdens that combines evidence and compassion.
Where that balance falls ethically in favour of pioneering treatment, GOSH shares each
family’s excitement at the journey that follows. GOSH believes that novel therapies are
best provided in the context of formal clinical trials. The hospital does not treat its most
vulnerable children simply because it can and on no account does it treat them purely
because novel treatment furthers GOSH’s research.
13. For its part, GOSH rededicates itself to working with each child and each child’s family
to discern, as best as the art of medicine and the most modern advances in science allow,
the treatment options most consistent with the best interests of each. That is the
hospital’s duty of care and each child, whether treated at GOSH or elsewhere, deserves
no less.
14. The Judge has said that were his view heeded, mediation would be compulsory. Those
words will not be forgotten by GOSH and more will be done in that regard. If and when
mediation is not wholly successful, it is right that the Court and not any doctor, team or
organisation determines a child’s best interests. The Court’s difficult task in this case
would have been close to impossible were it not for the able and tireless pro bono
assistance provided to Charlie’s parents by two teams of solicitors and barristers. GOSH
wishes to thank them all. GOSH also wishes to thank Mr. Justice Francis for his
decision making and for hearing and guiding the parties with such sensitivity and
wisdom.
15. All of GOSH’s thoughts go with Charlie and his mother and father - the hospital wishes
each of them peace in their hearts at the end of this day and each day to come.
KATIE GOLLOP QC
24 July 2017
Serjeants’ Inn Chambers
 
Cameron used to comment on all sorts of news stories, almost daily I would hear his comment on one or other item when there were likely many more competent people whose views should have been heard. I noticed it at the time, usually BBC R4 coverage.
Do you not recall Blair issuing statements on soap plot lines?
 
It was back in April the hospital wanted to withdraw life support at the start of the high court case - If they had done that I suspect Charlie would have died then - In July the American doctors offering experimental treatment at great expense still hadn't visited to examine him.
The success of Charlie's parent's campaign between January and April must have turned their world upside down whilst they were also dealing with the trauma of having a tragically terminally ill child to consider - It doesn't bear thinking about - but it does sound like they lost sight of the reality of the situation. Sad.
I feel awful for the parents but honestly I think they lost all grip on reality and the child's interests got lost while everyone bent over backwards to accommodate the parents' beliefs. They couldn't accept he had brain damage or was suffering, they wants him to recover and have a normal life when it just was never possible even if they took himnto America to be experimented on - even the stuff about taking him home to have a bath and die peacefully in his cot just could never have happened.
 
Just because they all do it don't make it right.
That because of their position they are expected to comment on everything? I don't like it, in fact I think they are misadvised.
I'm at a daily press conference. I'm asked a question about one of the media issues of the day. I reply.
 
I am a bit interested in the American response to this case, apparently there were accusations of failures of "socialised medicine", does anyone know more about this?
 
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