Champagne & Fromage opening in Brixton soon

[marty21]

As far as I know Council tenants on secure tenancies cannont be made to downsize.

Permanent Coops usually work on same allocation procedures as larger Housing Associations. Often given 50% allocation to Council.
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Yep, currently Council tenants can't be forced to downsize - although they would be hit by bedroom tax if they are underoccupying - Lambeth presumably has a financial incentive scheme to downsize or give up tenancy.

Co-ops vary - for the larger flats 3 beds and above - 75% should go to the local authority, 50% for smaller flats - although this can vary - and there are ways around it for the co-ops (I know I used to work for one) you get a 3 bed flat which should go to the LA - but instead of doing that - you move your own tenants around - leaving you with a bedsit or 1 bed - and you give that to the Local Authority - goes against the rules but ime LAs haven't been too fussed about enforcing it

 

[editor]

Yep, currently Council tenants can't be forced to downsize - although they would be hit by bedroom tax if they are underoccupying - Lambeth presumably has a financial incentive scheme to downsize or give up tenancy.

Forcible downsizing could have a terrible impact on some, with older people forced out of their community and most likely shunted off into faraway places, miles from their family and friends.

If the council could guarantee smaller places within the same community - and offer financial incentives to help them move and give up the space (which some may find useful for accommodating visiting relatives/family) - then it might make sense, but otherwise it's just a way to make peoples lives worse.

 

[Nedrop]

editor indeed having money is wonderful. sadly as private rent is now so high in Lambeth i don't have much, even on a decent average salary it's tough to find a room in a shared place that doesn't take out over half your salary. Can't say i'll be frequenting C&F anytime soon but i don't feel any spite towards those who are, if that's how they choose to spend their money fair play to them

 

[Winot]

But they do - even if they live on the same street. Just because the rich pass the poor on the same street doesn't mean their lives aren't separated.

But the argument isn't that the rich and poor aren't separated in Brixton - of course they are. The argument is that it's worse in rich ghettos like Kensington. And that if you don't want ghettos but would rather have 'coexistence', then the result of that is the existence of commercial establishments that cater for both ends of the spectrum.

 

[editor]

editor indeed having money is wonderful. sadly as private rent is now so high in Lambeth i don't have much, even on a decent average salary it's tough to find a room in a shared place that doesn't take out over half your salary. Can't say i'll be frequenting C&F anytime soon but i don't feel any spite towards those who are, if that's how they choose to spend their money fair play to them

I don't feel any particular 'spite' towards them either, but I feel angry at the growing rich/poor divide in Brixton and the slow but gradual pricing out of the poorer classes.

If having a posh champagne bar opening less than 300 metres from a soup kitchen doesn't set alarm bells ringing, I don't know what does.

 

[peterkro]

Yep, currently Council tenants can't be forced to downsize - although they would be hit by bedroom tax if they are underoccupying - Lambeth presumably has a financial incentive scheme to downsize or give up tenancy.

Co-ops vary - for the larger flats 3 beds and above - 75% should go to the local authority, 50% for smaller flats - although this can vary - and there are ways around it for the co-ops (I know I used to work for one) you get a 3 bed flat which should go to the LA - but instead of doing that - you move your own tenants around - leaving you with a bedsit or 1 bed - and you give that to the Local Authority - goes against the rules but ime LAs haven't been too fussed about enforcing it

I live in one of the four co-ops on the southbank,for every four vacancies one goes to Lambeth,one goes to Southwark and two are internal or from the wider co-op movement.One problem is people have a one bedroom then become a couple and then have a child necessitating a larger flat,that's how I got mine the previous occupants were a couple with a child who got a two bed when one became available I then got offered the one bed via Lambeths waiting list.The selection process is pretty fair with a majority on the interview panel not from the co-op itself.People are moved around for all sorts of reasons,children leaving home,becoming ill and needing space for carers and so on.As far as I can see it works very well and under or over occupancy doesn't last very long.

 

[Onket]

Someone making a new point on this thread, that would set alarm bells ringing.

2500 yet?

 

[marty21]

Forcible downsizing could have a terrible impact on some, with older people forced out of their community and most likely shunted off into faraway places, miles from their family and friends.

If the council could guarantee smaller places within the same community - and offer financial incentives to help them move and give up the space (which some may find useful for accommodating visiting relatives/family) - then it might make sense, but otherwise it's just a way to make peoples lives worse.

people who agree to downsize hold all the cards - they have to agree to take a smaller place so can hold on until the council finds one they like (or they bid successfully for one) and they have a lot of priority points as the council wants them to move - and surely it is a good thing if they move to a smaller place - lower rent - lower costs (heating, council tax, etc) if it also allows an overcrowded family to move to a more suitable home

 

[twentythreedom]

Badgers

 

[TruXta]

What?

 

[Yelkcub]

Forcible downsizing could have a terrible impact on some, with older people forced out of their community and most likely shunted off into faraway places, miles from their family and friends.

If the council could guarantee smaller places within the same community - and offer financial incentives to help them move and give up the space (which some may find useful for accommodating visiting relatives/family) - then it might make sense, but otherwise it's just a way to make peoples lives worse.

Harrow pay people to move, kind of...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-24474380

 

[lang rabbie]

The regulars in the Beehive had better get ready to repel boarders...

The Beehive (Wetherspoon)
407-409 Brixton Rd., Brixton, London SW9 7DG
...
Champagne Brut Baron de Marck France 6.50 - 37.00Saumur Brut Rosé Gamay Cabernet Franc Domaine de Brizé France 29.00
Champagne Bollinger Special Cuvee France 64.90
Champagne Dom Pérignon Brut 2003 France 120.00
Champagne Cristal Roederer 2004 France 185.00

Cheese board with quince jam, grapes and homemade bread 6.95
French brie – English stilton – Spanish manchego 4.00

Daft buggers at foursquare have actually auto-linked the Brixton pub to the menu of the Marylebone gastropub of same name

 

[Badgers]

 

[Onket]

Late.

 

[Badgers]

Onket

 

[Yelkcub]

Late.

Don't worry, 3000 is coming!

 

[Onket]

I want to be top of page 100.

 

[Yelkcub]

I want to be top of page 100.

Looking down on everyone one, I'll bet, flaunting!

 

[Onket]

Too fucking right. Just you wait, I'll show you, etc.

 

[Pickman's model]

Looking down on everyone one, I'll bet, flaunting!

if you've got it flaunt it

 

[teuchter]

perhaps we could engage our energies in discussing the far more important issue of the socio-economic impact of a champagne bar opening up in the poorest ward in Lambeth rather than pursuing gloriously irrelevant ad hominem attacks and nit picking debates on what make of phone someone is using?

Ok.

*prepares for nuanced, healthy, thoughtful socio-economic debate and discussion*

Isn't having money great?!

Good work

 

[editor]

Good work

With your endless stream of ad hominems and personal digs, you've done a grand job of extinguishing any hope of a grown up debate about the actual issues, and, as you can see, I've given up.

Well done. You must be very proud of yourself.

 

[snowy_again]

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[teuchter]

as you can see, I've given up.

I trust we will see no further contributions from you on this thread, then.

 

[editor]

I trust we will see no further contributions from you on this thread, then.

I said I've given up hope of a grown up debate, bully.

 

[teuchter]

I said I've given up hope of a grown up debate, bully.

Right. When it comes to ad hominem, that's a pretty nasty one, and unwarranted. People have had bans for less.

 

[BigMoaner]

Fuck all that, Lets Bubble!

 

[BigMoaner]

30 prcent of the people on the escalator opposite me at brick tube had beards - FACT

 

[twentythreedom]

I set it all up for you, gracefully declined taking the glory for myself, tagged you and everything Turning up late with a big shouty pic isn't fooling anyone.

Fortunately, you will have the opportunity to redeem yourself when the thread reaches 3000 posts, probably about Wednesday afternoon

 

[Nanker Phelge]

30 prcent of the people on the escalator opposite me at brick tube had beards - FACT

Some people can't grow a beard. Imagine how they must feel with all this flaunting of facial hair.