Champagne & Fromage opening in Brixton soon

[Yelkcub]

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here, but generally a huge amount of page impressions is a good indicator that the topic is a popular one. The articles on BBuzz have had tens of thousands of page impressions, and the opening has been reported widely in the media.

There was really a point, other than me not knowing if views are somehow counted just once from each user basically.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

But isn't the point that C&F wouldn't be seen to be particularly excluding, in the context of somewhere like Kensington. It would just be another posh place like all the others.

The whole of Kensington is excluding. One of London's strengths - in many parts - is that rich and poor don't live separated lives, but Kensington isn't like that.

 

[TruXta]

But isn't the point that C&F wouldn't be seen to be particularly excluding, in the context of somewhere like Kensington. It would just be another posh place like all the others.

This.

 

[TruXta]

The whole of Kensington is excluding. One of London's strengths - in many parts - is that rich and poor don't live separated lives, but Kensington isn't like that.

But they do - even if they live on the same street. Just because the rich pass the poor on the same street doesn't mean their lives aren't separated.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

But they do - even if they live on the same street. Just because the rich pass the poor on the same street doesn't mean their lives aren't separated.

Not in the same way as many other places. They will drink in the same pubs and shop in many of the same shops.

Han mentioned the US earlier, and in the US, rich and poor generally live totally separate lives.

 

[editor]

Not in the same way as many other places. They will drink in the same pubs and shop in many of the same shops.

Han mentioned the US earlier, and in the US, rich and poor generally live totally separate lives.

I'm already seeing the start of a big dividing line separating nu-Brixton wealth from the social housing surrounding it.

 

[TruXta]

Not in the same way as many other places. They will drink in the same pubs and shop in many of the same shops.

Han mentioned the US earlier, and in the US, rich and poor generally live totally separate lives.

It's more spacially separated in the US, true, but as I said just because you live on the same street/area doesn't mean you share much in the way of a life. Rich and poor both shopping in Tescos doesn't strike me as an indicator of terrific social inclusivity.

 

[Pickman's model]

It's more spacially separated in the US, true, but as I said just because you live on the same street/area doesn't mean you share much in the way of a life. Rich and poor both shopping in Tescos doesn't strike me as an indicator of terrific social inclusivity.

won't see many poor people in tescos filling their carts with champagne or chivas regal

 

[TruXta]

won't see many poor people in tescos filling their carts with champagne or chivas regal

TBH I've never seen anyone fill their carts with Chivas. Vile drink that it is.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

It's more spacially separated in the US, true, but as I said just because you live on the same street/area doesn't mean you share much in the way of a life. Rich and poor both shopping in Tescos doesn't strike me as an indicator of terrific social inclusivity.

But that spacial separation makes it worse. If anything, yet another posh eatery opening in Kensington is just as objectionable as, or even more so, one opening in Brixton.

 

[TruXta]

If anything, yet another posh eatery opening in Kensington is just as objectionable as, or even more so, one opening in Brixton.

 

[leanderman]

But that spacial separation makes it worse. If anything, yet another posh eatery opening in Kensington is just as objectionable as, or even more so, one opening in Brixton.

If it's wrong, it's wrong anywhere.

 

[Badgers]

 

[Pickman's model]

But that spacial separation makes it worse. If anything, yet another posh eatery opening in Kensington is just as objectionable as, or even more so, one opening in Brixton.

when was the last time you got worked up about a posh business opening in a posh part of london?

 

[leanderman]

We are in a Brixton bubble where we think only we have such places opening, only we have soaring rents and house prices, only we have poor people.

It's happening everywhere.

C+F is a sign of rising affluence (for some) and changing consumption patterns.

My parents barely touched wine, let alone champagne.

And went to their graves - not so long ago - not knowing what an aubergine was, or prosciutto and foie gras.

 

[TruXta]

We are in a Brixton bubble where we think only we have such places opening, only we have soaring rents and house prices, only we have poor people.

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No, we're not.

 

[Nedrop]

passed by C&F on Saturday afternoon, full to the brim with people enjoying their afternoon

 

[leanderman]

passed by C&F on Saturday afternoon, full to the brim with people enjoying their afternoon

Whole market was horrendously busy on Saturday. Queues for food. Aisle gridlock.

 

[T & P]

*ahem*

 

[Crispy]

I like doing my food shop at the market, but I am now restricted to saturday mornings. Even lunchtime is hellish.

 

[Gramsci]

That even happens in some of the housing co-ops. Set up on a principle of distribution according to need but empty nesters (sometimes those who set the thing up) don't want to downgrade when the time comes. You end up with big houses occupied by a couple at a very low rent and young families in a 1 bed with no garden.

This also happens with home owners. Own a family sized house. Children leave and a partner dies and then they are left in a family size house on there own. Which they do not want to leave for sentimental reasons.

 

[editor]

Nothing wrong with having champagne on a special occasion.

 

[editor]

passed by C&F on Saturday afternoon, full to the brim with people enjoying their afternoon

Isn't having money great?!

 

[Rushy]

This also happens with home owners. Own a family sized house. Children leave and a partner dies and then they are left in a family size house on there own. Which they do not want to leave for sentimental reasons.

The key line there was "set up on a principle of distribution according to need". Privately owned homes are not set up on that principle. They are not shared by the coop members. If distribution according to need does not work at a small coop level I struggle to see how it will work at a state level.

 

[Gramsci]

The key line there was "set up on a principle of distribution according to need". Privately owned homes are not set up on that principle. They are not shared by the coop members. If distribution according to need does not work at a small coop level I struggle to see how it will work at a state level.

As far as I know Council tenants on secure tenancies cannont be made to downsize.

Permanent Coops usually work on same allocation procedures as larger Housing Associations. Often given 50% allocation to Council.

Where does your key line comes from?

Perhaps , in order to solve housing crisis, private home ownership should not be so sacrosanct.

 

[Rushy]

Perhaps , in order to solve housing crisis, private home ownership should not be so sacrosanct.

Perhaps it should not. But to make a change there needs to be some something pretty convincing to move to. Do developed proposals exist which are not open to priviledge/abuse/self interest and can guarantee there are no winners and losers. Bear in mind I was responding to this:

That's incredible, profits like that, something is very very wrong with this Turbo capitalism, in many ways the restructuring of housing isn't much different than the old communist era where the elites(now the oligarchs, bank bosses, etc) lived in the best housing followed by the apparatchiks(finance workers, media, etc), while whole groups of families shared one flat.

 

[Badgers]

I am only hear for the 2500th post people, as you were...

 

[butchersapron]

Perhaps it should not. But to make a change there needs to be some something pretty convincing to move to. Do developed proposals exist which are not open to priviledge/abuse/self interest and can guarantee there are no winners and losers. Bear in mind I was responding to this:

Why should there not be winners and losers?

 

[Winot]

passed by C&F on Saturday afternoon, full to the brim with people flaunting

Edited to add approved wording.

 

[Gramsci]

Is had a significant impact on how many people are talking about it, IMO. There about 2.5k replies here but a lot of them are from the same people, so the polarised opinion your talking about is among a very small sample.

This thread has had a large number of hits. Making it one the most viewed recent threads. The very high number of hits must be also due to people looking at thread but not posting up. Its known that journos and Cllrs lurk here. So its an issue. If it wasnt this thread would have ha low number of hits.

People in area have been asking me about C&F due to Yuppies Out FB page and this thread. Also Brixton Blog did article a while back about C&F coming here.

There are people I know who view Urban but do not post up here. ( too scary).

I would say from my unscientific sample of people outside Urban that it either it pisses them right off that Champagne bar comes to market. Or they see why it is a wind up but there are other more important issues to deal with in Brixton. Like affordable housing.

Not everyone I know likes Yuppies Out. But neither do they like bedroom tax, Council cuts, lack of Council being built and Council selling of land that could be used for affordable housing.