Not yet, but I've set up a trip wire to catch him out
Champagne & Fromage opening in Brixton soon
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Not yet, but I've set up a trip wire to catch him out
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hiraethified
What does a laptop symbolise, exactly?
What does champagne symbolise?
FridgeMagnet
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"The thread judges the place and the people on what you imagine champagne to symbolise" - well no, the thread doesn't do anything.
Whatever, "It's not that different from laptops, cameras and smartphones" is absolutely not the case.
You've not read it have you? That's okay, it's nearly 80 pages long. But shut up about it, ta.
leanderman
Street Party: July 2
I doubt C+F, or Brixton Village for that matter, has much of a socio-economic impact compared with the very much bigger picture of London's housing crisis.
Rents, for example, would have gone up anyway. It's not clear to me that housing costs have accelerated any more here than in East Dulwich, Balham or Tooting.
Besides C+F is here basically because Claphamites have been priced out of Clapham.
Oh, you decided that your opinion is fact? And if I don't agree, it's because I haven't read the thread.
If you say so.
FridgeMagnet
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Phew, thank heavens for that.
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hiraethified
If you're just going to play silly buggers and avoid answering questions by posting up silly questions, I'll leave you to it.
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hiraethified
I think it's going to have a noticeable impact within the market space and the locality, even if it is only acting as an accelerant for the already-occurring process of fast-rising rents and the pricing out of traditional businesses. I expect more expensive, upmarket businesses to follow them into the market.
Great news for some, no doubt, but it depresses the hell out of me, what with there being a soup kitchen just around the corner.
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hiraethified
You're the one making this ridiculous comparison, so why don't you at least try to justify it?
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hiraethified
Some posh bloke started giving the staff a hard time last night because he was unable to get a drink when he arrived at the bar as last orders were called. Happily his girlfriend put him straight, commenting, "Stop being such a fucking arsehole."I think a lot of the C&F crowd were in the Albert tonight
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hiraethified
My fantasy conflagration* would take in ChampFro, then the Wine Parlour and Tique Booty. Nandos is so far out of town for me, I don't even notice it.
(*this is of course meant in a jokey manner and at no point would I want a business - no matter how repellent - to be burnt down)
Winot
I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint
I have been thinking about the gulf between the two sides of this debate and why it has arisen. I suspect in reality that both sides are pretty au fait with issues of inequality/poverty and share the same concerns about them.
I think on one side we are looking for intellectual consistency - what is it *exactly* that makes C+F the tipping point? That leads to arguments about price of champagne in other venues, whether there were earlier tipping points etc.
On the anti-side however, it's more of an emotional reaction - C+F just *feels* wrong - that this time things have gone too far. And if it feels that wrong, then the arguments about consistency from the other side feel like the other side are missing the point. Whereas actually we are just looking at it from a different perspective.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
i'd forgotten about the nandos haters. I quite like nandos.
My 3 year old would punch you in the nuts if he heard you say that. He loves it in there. It's the only time he gets excited about chicken.
Manter
Lunch Mob
I like Nandos.
They don't symbolise anything different to me. But that's ridiculous to you, because it's not your opinion.
marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
there was an almighty fuss when Nandos planned to open in Stoke Newington, a lot of people on FB hated the idea of it - C&F would not prompt such protest
FridgeMagnet
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I don't agree with that I'm afraid. There's an absurd level of stereotyping of opposition to this - you hate champagne! (and the Albert serves champagne!) YOU ARE BULLIES LEAVE C&F ALONE you have phones !!!!11±!!!!! what's wrong with cheese?????? - it's just a joke.
I don't think "both sides" are au fait at all - I think there are a bunch of people who want to pretend that it's all some weird imaginary class war hate campaign that has nothing to do with them or anything that's going on ever, and they will take any opportunity to say it's the middle class, it's the unemployed, it's not Brixton people, it's Brixton people who don't realise things have changed, Brixton people have sold the property for profit and none of them are being kicked out, etc etc
The position has been made very, very clear and if you're claiming it's otherwise (e.g. Yelkcub) you're the enemy. Work it out if you don't want to be.
I don't mind being the enemy. It makes no difference to my life. But, there's some first class hypocrisy that so obvious to someone as uninvolved as me, it's impossible to comment without pointing it out.
FridgeMagnet
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point it out then ffs
Hollis
bloody furious
I think its partly when people using the 'emotional reaction' start using the price argument that they get unstuck..£40 for a champagne tasting session may seem a waste of money to you.. , but actually argue on your own terms.
Though this also supports Yelkclub's line - because if we're talking about what's 'inclusive or not', "cultural invasion", then inequality and exclusion in the form of latest brand/version mobiles does work in a similar way really.
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littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Ironically, as camden high street shows, rising rents lead to more mobile phone shops.
