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Despite all the entrenched long term adversaries on this thread, there is a point to be made that if you're using expensive non-essential electronic goods, your view on Cha & Fro isn't greatly less subjective than 'theirs'.
 
Yelkcub said:
Despite all the entrenched long term adversaries on this thread, there is a point to be made that if you're using expensive non-essential electronic goods, your view on Cha & Fro isn't greatly less subjective than 'theirs'.
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Is there? I'd be interested in seeing that point.
 
Yelkcub said:
Despite all the entrenched long term adversaries on this thread, there is a point to be made that if you're using expensive non-essential electronic goods, your view on Cha & Fro isn't greatly less subjective than 'theirs'.
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Should everyone list what equipment they're currently using here, just to make sure that this vital issue isn't overlooked in any way? Maybe they could fill in a form to explain what they use their electronic goods for so people could vote on whether their use is deemed essential or non-essential?

Or perhaps we could engage our energies in discussing the far more important issue of the socio-economic impact of a champagne bar opening up in the poorest ward in Lambeth rather than pursuing gloriously irrelevant ad hominem attacks and nit picking debates on what make of phone someone is using?

Just an idea, like.
 
Yelkcub said:
That was it. Complaining about people choosing to spend their money on something frivolous while doing the same doesn't make any sense.
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So you would characterise everything that people have said about C&F as "complaining about people choosing to spend their money on something frivolous"?

Cheers, because that's exactly what I said earlier.

eta: here's that, for the lazy:
Actually, on balance, it's another attempt to distort the arguments involved. We saw this previously with the bizarre "but the Albert serves champagne" thing - that was attempting to redefine the argument against C&F as some sort of "anti-champagne" one. (As well as being weirdly personal - "your pub serves champagne".) Now it's trying to redefine the opposition as one about spending money on anything at all. You bought a thing how dare you complain about people buying things because that is what you are talking about here despite everything else you say.

I bought some shoes the other day. I'm such a hypocrite.
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editor said:
Should everyone list what equipment they're currently using here, just to make sure that this vital issue isn't overlooked in any way? Maybe they could fill in a form to explain what they use their electronic goods for so people could vote on whether their use is deemed essential or non-essential?

Or perhaps we could engage our energies in discussing the far more important issue of the socio-economic impact of a champagne bar opening up in the poorest ward in Lambeth rather than pursuing glorious irrelevant ad hominem attacks?
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It's a bar, where's there's lots already. I think the problem this thread has with it is what champagne symbolises, isn't it? Do Apple branded goods or expensive cameras symbolise anything different? Really?
 
Yelkcub said:
It's a bar, where's there's lots already. I think the problem this thread has with it is what champagne symbolises, isn't it? Do Apple branded goods or expensive cameras symbolise anything different? Really?
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What has this grand red herring has to do with the socio-economic impact of a champagne bar opening up in the poorest ward in Lambeth?

It's just a pointless, cheap tactic to make the thread personal because I happen to have a (moderately) expensive camera - which I use for work - and a smartphone - which I use for work.

So what have any of those personal choices have to do with, you know, the actual issues that matter here?
 
Today's Torygraph has an article about "London's New Hot Spots". Brixton, not surprisingly is one of them. There's a glaring factual error in the piece.

"The attraction is the big buzz and the 15-minute Tube journey on the Northern Line into London's West End. City workers now rub shoulders with avocado sellers and trombonists and he amazing Brixton market has become a mecca for food-lovers. The latest offering there is tellingly called Champagne and Fromage. Incomers can swim in the Art Deco outdoor lido before heading to their desks for the day. In fact, life here is so good that people are now moaning about the loss of the old days".

Who can they be talking about?
 
The Telegraph is boosting it as being a shining example of cultural invasion. The Telegraph gets it.

But it's actually all about champagne and whether the Albert sells it oh yeah. Or whether editor has a posh phone.
 
editor said:
What has this grand red herring has to do with the socio-economic impact of a champagne bar opening up in the poorest ward in Lambeth?

It's just a pointless, cheap tactic to make the thread personal because I happen to have a (moderately) expensive camera - which I use for work - and a smartphone - which I use for work.

So what have any of those personal choices have to do with, you know, the actual issues that matter here?
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It wasn't personal at all, which I was said 'despite the adversaries'. I'm not singling you out at all. U75 is techie, camera-y. People here complaining about symbols of conspicuous wealth, seem to forget that.
 
Yelkcub said:
It wasn't personal at all, which I was said 'despite the adversaries'. I'm not singling you out at all. U75 is techie, camera-y. People here complaining about symbols of conspicuous wealth, seem to forget that.
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Thanks for reinforcing my point. No money in it I'm afraid.
 
Yelkcub said:
It wasn't personal at all, which I was said 'despite the adversaries'. I'm not singling you out at all. U75 is techie, camera-y. People here complaining about symbols of conspicuous wealth, seem to forget that.
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And you think that this argument - that some people may own a decent camera or laptop for work - is directly relevant and pertinent to the issue of an upmarket champagne bar opening in a traditional market in a socially deprived area, yes?
 
editor said:
And you think that this argument - that some people may own a decent camera or laptop for work - is directly relevant and pertinent to the issue of an upmarket champagne bar opening in a traditional market in a socially deprived area, yes?
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I think you're choosing to frame those things as different, when they aren't, yes. One is an acceptable extravagance to you, one isn't.
 
Yelkcub said:
I think you're choosing to frame those things as different, when they aren't, yes. One is an acceptable extravagance to you, one isn't.
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Even if that was true - which it's not - it still remains totally irrelevant to, you know, the actual important issues here, unless your main interest is finding a way of turning the debate into a series of personal issues and attacks.
 
editor said:
Even if that was true - which it's not - it still remains totally irrelevant to, you know, the actual important issues here, unless your main interest is finding a way of turning the debate into a series of personal issues and attacks.
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Yeah but remember that this guy takes it personally when his neighbour has a fag in the neighbours own garden... :D
 
editor said:
Even if that was true - which it's not - it still remains totally irrelevant to, you know, the actual important issues here, unless your main interest is finding a way of turning the debate into a series of personal issues and attacks.
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I'm really not doing that. Can you see that if you leave aside the assumption someone is attacking you personally, which I understand because people do, that I genuinely see things the way I'm saying?
 
Side note: my impression is that a few years ago places wouldn't have promoted fois gras so openly. I'm seeing it more now, mentioned on tv, on menus. Am I just noticing it more or is it appearing more? Pretty horrible to see it so much. :(
 
Yelkcub said:
I'm really not doing that. Can you see that if you leave aside the assumption someone is attacking you personally, which I understand because people do, that I genuinely see things the way I'm saying?
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_Nobody_ who has said anything opposing the bar has said what you claim they are complaining about.
 
FridgeMagnet said:
_Nobody_ who has said anything opposing the bar has said what you claim they are complaining about.
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C'mon. The thread judges the place and the people on what you imagine champagne to symbolise. It's not that different from laptops, cameras and smartphones, which are all acceptable to people here.
 
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