Champagne & Fromage opening in Brixton soon
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hiraethified
So you're complaining about the lack of protests about something that you couldn't be bothered to organise or get involved with yourself when you were here, while slagging off a protest that someone else can be bothered to put on?
Rushy
basically a scrotum
Singling out one individual (or pair of individuals) as the focus of a mass aggressive crowd protest in order to make a general socio political statement is lazy and cowardly. Yes - I can see why the word champagne makes them an easy target - but it is lazy and cowardly. Pretending it is ok because it's a business rather than a couple of individuals running a tiny shop selling wine and cheese is a cop out. I'm sure the Yuppies Out lot are charming individuals in their own rights but a mass (over 400 of 1000+ FB invitees going or maybe going) bullying a pair of individuals running a small shop in the name of "social war" is totally misguided.
If they are gong to be so judgemental about a small company selling non-mass produced goods they should sort out their own capitalist credentials.
For instance, by not holding up as beacons of social struggle the FMCG products of a company who describe themselves as "innovative labour management specialists", invest in what they call "style bars" and have CEO quotes on their webpage claiming
Oh lah-di-bloody-dah.
Or, for instance, by not cross promoting the album of a band who choose to distribute their music through arch tax dodgers and UK Uncut target Amazon.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I don't know you, i don't know if you're named rushy because you look like a welsh goal-scoring machine or if you're addicted to poppers. I do know though that you haven't even attempted to make any substantive argument as to why singling out (as you see it) one business is cowardly. I'll make a case as to why it isn't. Because that business is emblematic of a wider set of damaging social relations and putting pressure on them can a) bring these wider social relations to light b) make others thinking of exploiting them in this area think twice. And because to effectively challenge a general system you need to challenge specific instances - there is no other way to do it. So you keep your eyes closed to what's going on around you and why. Others won't.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
Champagne and Fromage is a totally different order of magnitude in terms of wealth to Honest Burger. Obviously Honest Burger attracts generally middle class customers but purely as far as the money goes if you can afford to go to Khans you could afford the occasional £8 burger + chips. Putting away champagne at £15 a glass on a casual night out (Brixton Village isn't really a special occasion venue for people going there I wouldn't think) needs a whole lot more money. While there are plenty of similarities it's not the same IMO.
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hiraethified
Would that be the same teensy 'tiny' business that already owns a 515sq Fromagerie & Shop in upmarket Covent Garden, sells bottles at up to £110 a pop, offers afternoon tea for £30 (service charge not included) and supplies some of London’s most well-known restaurants like Bubbledogs, Massimo and L’atelier des Chefs? [--]
Oh, and "mass aggressive crowd protest"?
Rushy
basically a scrotum
To quote you
Genius. I'm so hurt.
Bothering to find alternative products to hold up as beacons rather than a multi national's high margin FMCG products or boycotting rather than partnering with Amazon would be start. Not as fun I suppose.
Uh huh.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
That's quite a mess you made there.
Rushy
basically a scrotum
Luckily, in the time it took you post those seven stretching words, I managed to sort the formatting.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
I'm not sure how it could be a better target unless it also sold caviar, cigars and top hats.
Rushy
basically a scrotum
Sorry Ed - No offence but I've got you on "do not engage" in case you start sobbing about being persecuted again. Pretty sure you were doing the same with me? I'm sticking to it anyway.Would that be the same teensy 'tiny' business that already owns a 515sq Fromagerie & Shop in upmarket Covent Garden, sells bottles at up to £110 a pop, offers afternoon tea for £30 (service charge not included) and supplies some of London’s most well-known restaurants like Bubbledogs, Massimo and L’atelier des Chefs? [--]
Oh, and "mass aggressive crowd protest"?
editor
hiraethified
Sure, no problem. I'll just sit back and watch Butchersapron continue to hand you your arse on a plate.
Rushy
basically a scrotum
Attaboy.
editor
hiraethified
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
I am curious if anyone thinks this protest will actually do anything detrimental to C&F. I can't see it, myself. Might even bring publicity.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
It might...might...help to link up people who want to organise around more long term wider issues around gentrification and enclosures - and given the issues aren't going away, that is at least potentially worthwhile. And they could not be given a more perfect target to hitch that onto than this monstrosity.
Winot
I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint
This pretty much nails it, although personally I'd rather the protest was aimed at the cause rather than the symptom of inequality.
Anyway, I'd like to ask a more general question to those in favour of targeting C+F: Are you in favour of areas of London being mixed socially/economically (as opposed to being separated into rich/poor ghettos); and if you are, to what extent are you prepared to put up with the trappings that come with other socioeconomic groups (be they betting shops or wine bars)?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Oh jesus, did you really just say that?
boohoo
No.
Lots of publicity - in fact already has - about 1000+ targeted to visit on facebook Yuppies Out group and 16,000 view on this thread. WOW! great publicity.
TruXta
tired
Contrary to popular opinion, not all PR is good PR.
boohoo
No.
I don't know. The fact is I know the name of a place I would not have noticed or cared about. Branding , innit!
TruXta
tired
Sure, but do you have a positive or negative association with the brand just now? I've been made aware of Miley Cyrus as well over the last couple of years, but I've yet to go out and spend money on products associated with her brand.
T & P
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Dresscode: strictly shell suits and Burberry caps, presumably?
editor
hiraethified
Yes. The event has done a great job of pointing out that not all of Brixton welcomes this kind of venture, and anyone reading this thread may get an understanding of the social/economic impact of such upmarket bars on the local community.
No dress code at all. All you need is a love of Buckfast and processed cheese. I certainly love the latter.
boohoo
No.
I don't have a negative or positive association with the brand - it's just another infiltration from businesses aimed at people with spare cash. I'm not keen on Yuppies Out.
You have loudly and 'passionately' (to use your own words) promoted upmarket bars in brixton for donkeys. Hell you even designed their marketing materials. Get off that high horse editor. And please stop using aggressive language.
