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Brixton Chitter Chatter and News - June 2012

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Ms T said:
Did anyone hear Andrew Hoskens' report on the Today programme yesterday? I missed it but might listen back if it's any good.
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I heard it. Was quite interesting. He did however manage to rile me by describing Brixton as "edgy and vibrant" :rolleyes::D
 
Ms T said:
Default media description of Brixton, innit? :mad:
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It just gets me a bit :mad: about lazy journalism. Which was a shame in that case as otherwise I thought it was a very good and interesting piece. Although I missed about 30 seconds of it cos I was ranting about the above :D
 
Frumious B. said:
Big story about the Gas gang at http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18398190. Should help with the gentrification.
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It's hardly helpful for the BBC to glorify this gang and give it publicity/notoriety. One bit in the article made me laugh when the journo couldn't work out what G.A.S. stood for: "...there is no definitive answer - this is not an organisation with a headquarters offering explanations." :rolleyes: :D

Frumious B. said:
And here's the video by Sneakbo mentioned in the story.https://sites.google.com/site/londonstreetgangs/gang-lists/south-london-gangs/gas-gang-gas A rather painful listen.
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It's a rather painful watch as well. LA gangster rapper wannabes. They probably rented the shiny car for the day in order to make the video. I like the one shot of someone carefully reversing the car into a parking space!
 
It does occur to me to suggest the concept of gangs is overdone. A loose grouping is called a gang. I am not excusing violent behaviour what I am saying is that this is not an organised group with economic aims like the Yardies or Mafia.

It sounds to me like loose shifting group of young people who hang out and get involved in violence. Locally based and chaotic not organised. With peer pressure that results in acts of violence.

The police always want to arrest "ringleaders" and identify specific groups. Trident , which was set up to deal with Black on Black killings need a reason to exist.
 
Gramsci, I agree. There are problems with genuine gangs, but the whole role playing of being in a gang adds to the perceived glamour. I can't abide the use of gang terminology like 'Tiny' and 'lil' as nick names by ordnary pepole trying to be edgy and vibrant. And when the press write about gangs it can't fail to bolster their self image of themselves as important. If they do happen to read the Guardian, of course!
 
Yes but what I am suggesting is that Police/ Council / Trident/ government ( the authorities) have a relationship with what they can define as organised criminal behaviour.

It provides them with a specific object to produce and justify social policies and policing. This object is partly based on real actions ( the poor kid shot in Stockwell) and partly its constructed.

It also provides distraction from dealing with the underlying inequalities in this country.
 
Gramsci said:
It does occur to me to suggest the concept of gangs is overdone. A loose grouping is called a gang. I am not excusing violent behaviour what I am saying is that this is not an organised group with economic aims like the Yardies or Mafia.

It sounds to me like loose shifting group of young people who hang out and get involved in violence. Locally based and chaotic not organised. With peer pressure that results in acts of violence.

The police always want to arrest "ringleaders" and identify specific groups. Trident , which was set up to deal with Black on Black killings need a reason to exist.
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The only thing the police can possibly do about gangs is to arrest some of the worst offenders to try to keep a lid on things. They can't fix the problems that lead to gangs existing in the first place, that's up to the rest of us.

There really isn't any reason to worry about press coverage glamourising gangs and making them more attractive. The fact is that most of the kids involved really don't have any alternatives as a way of getting any self respect. We can moan all we like about the misogyny, violence, and material greed of gang culture, but that isn't taken from anywhere other than mainstream culture.

GAS is a basic part of life on the Angell Town and Loughborough estates. Most of those involved are actually terrific kids if you can get them into a context where they get involved in doing something with adults who show respect for their contribution. Sadly that rarely happens. On the whole they are treated by everyone outside the gang as a worthless nuisance. That's what has to change.
 
Gramsci said:
Yes but what I am suggesting is that Police/ Council / Trident/ government ( the authorities) have a relationship with what they can define as organised criminal behaviour.

It provides them with a specific object to produce and justify social policies and policing. This object is partly based on real actions ( the poor kid shot in Stockwell) and partly its constructed.

It also provides distraction from dealing with the underlying inequalities in this country.
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To be fair to the Met, the safer neighbourhood team round here talk more sense about the gang problem than pretty much anyone else. Unfortunately they may have a wealth of knowledge about how gangs operate, and how the problem could be alleviated (if not ended), but the simple fact is that it's entirely ignored when it comes to any serious decision making. Instead the decisions made by the various authorities involved are based far more on the likes of Daily Mail editorials.
 
Brixton Hatter said:
It's a rather painful watch as well. LA gangster rapper wannabes. They probably rented the shiny car for the day in order to make the video. I like the one shot of someone carefully reversing the car into a parking space!
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Plus the single bottle of Martell brandy or whatever it is. :D
 
ericjarvis said:
. We can moan all we like about the misogyny, violence, and material greed of gang culture, but that isn't taken from anywhere other than mainstream culture.
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Mainstream culture such as found in City of London. Where bankers are just as much into material greed and have just got away with destroying ( almost) the economy and have had there jobs, wealth and power saved by Government. For which they show no gratitude at all.

They do not need to be violent as they have the State to protect them.

They do not need to be violently misogynist as they can afford the many Lap Dancing bars that surround the City. Which , I might add, focus on "corporate" entertainment that goes on expenses.

I cycle around the City and they are doing fine up there.

Can I blame young people for emulating aspects of this culture of greed and looking after number one?No

If the Police and authorities want to ASBO anyone they could start in the City.
 
It's a rather painful watch as well. LA gangster rapper wannabes. They probably rented the shiny car for the day in order to make the video. I like the one shot of someone carefully reversing the car into a parking space!
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Sneakbo has been on a couple of compilations, including a Ministry one, and has received a fair bit of mainstream (BBC) radio airplay.
 
Ms T said:
Have put my money where my mouth is and am in Sitifis now. They have put their prices up a bit!
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Maybe if it's more expensive, it'll appeal to the Brixton Village lot. After all, if it's too cheap, they'll think they're sitting in McShitey's or Kenfucky's :D

So how much is "quite a bit"?
 
Easy solution to the gang problem.

Get parents to form 'gangs' and hang around on street corners.

Immediately, as parents are uncool, the concept of being in a gang becomes uncool, and the problem goes away.
 
ajdown said:
Easy solution to the gang problem.

Get parents to form 'gangs' and hang around on street corners.

Immediately, as parents are uncool, the concept of being in a gang becomes uncool, and the problem goes away.
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This would nearly work. As by and large the kids in the gangs behave quite well when around their parents. The problem is that, at least round here, the gangs of parents are liable to be even more of a problem.
 
Minnie_the_Minx said:
Maybe if it's more expensive, it'll appeal to the Brixton Village lot. After all, if it's too cheap, they'll think they're sitting in McShitey's or Kenfucky's :D

So how much is "quite a bit"?
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Coffee is up 30p, mezze/sandwiches etc by about a pound I think. Still good value, fresh, delicious and big portions. They've also got a new menu, and are doing flatbread wraps instead of sandwiches, with meatballs, falafel among other things.

I also bumped into another urbanite there, which was nice!
 
Ms T said:
Coffee is up 30p, mezze/sandwiches etc by about a pound I think. Still good value, fresh, delicious and big portions. They've also got a new menu, and are doing flatbread wraps instead of sandwiches, with meatballs, falafel among other things.

I also bumped into another urbanite there, which was nice!
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was it nagapie? :D
 
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