British IS schoolgirl 'wants to return home'
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eatmorecheese
He's fallen out of the car again
...and round we go again.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
If you call travelling to another country to join a genocidal cult whose sworn aim is to destroy your country and others, whilst raping and murdering their way across the Middle East "undefined", I suppose you have a point.
not-bono-ever
meh
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
bimble
floofy
Yeah if that was what the law was, fine, but it's not. It just says "if its for the public good and you wont be stateless". Plenty of people i'm sure they'd quite like to remove and dump elsewhere who could be squeezed into that completely vague principle.
not-bono-ever
meh
broken britain
bellaozzydog
rolling turds in glitter
did isis fuck your mum
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Could also apply to illegal invasions of certain Middle East countries with participants claiming that a god was on their side...
not-bono-ever
meh
just copy the link of wherever it's hosted
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
And it's worse than that. It creates a precedent that every single person born in the UK to Bangladeshi parents is also potentially a Bangladeshi citizen (up to the age of 21 only, iirc), whether they want to be or not, whether they have ever expressed any interest in it or not (Begum hasn't), or indeed, whether or not they even know this is the case in Bangladeshi law (why would they), and can have their British citizenship taken away from them on that basis. It instantly creates a group of thousands of second-class citizens.
But hey, Begum's a cunt so anything the UK govt does to her is ok. Arbitrary use of power is ok.
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ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Are you pissed? Poor taste quip that. And I expect those people whose mothers and sisters and friends have been held as sex slaves might find it even more so. Go and have a watch some of the testimonials from Yazidi women.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
poor taste or indeed no taste at all is something at the heart of the urban experience
bimble
floofy
Yeah exactly littlebabyjesus . Would probably apply to all Jews as well, for example, as I think you are legally entitled to Israeli citizenship just like that whether you have any desire to ever set foot there or not. And loads of others, I think Irish descent is reasonably generously interpreted by Ireland as well.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh but the principle which she decries is the one i am relying on for the transportation of the former people to the south atlantic industrial zoneYou're saying this more clearly and concisely than anyone else on this thread.
miss direct
misfungled
How's she meant to get back? Isn't the border from Syria to Turkey closed? Can't imagine Turkey will welcome her...although Brits don't need a visa anymore. Although she's not got a passport to enter with...
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Indeed, just thought for a second that men making rape jokes might be beyond the pale. Silly me.
bellaozzydog
rolling turds in glitter
no but if I wanted to hear from revenge porn fantasists and capital punishment cheerleading I would be visiting less enlightened Internet forums
it’s called moral consistency
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Does your ‘moral consistency’ apply to rape? Or do you not make cracks about some rapes?
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
She died of cancer 10 years before they were a thing. But thanks for that.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Raheem
Well-Known Member
Don't think it creates a precedent, exactly. However absurd it may be, the way UK law already sees it is that anyone born in the UK with a Bangladeshi parent automatically has Bangladeshi citizenship at birth.
Begun has no chance on this, it seems, and there is already a preliminary UK judgment that she is Bangadeshi. Although if she comes back to the UK, the prospect of her being made de facto stateless by the government and then being made a refugee on account of her statelessness does show how stupid the law is.
The real legal question is about whether it is rational to deem her a security risk, rather than her nationality.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Well this might hold water if you were able to provide other examples of dual nationals being 'unjustly' stripped of their British citizenship. Last time this came up no one was able to provide a single example. The massive majority of those of us with dual nationality manage to retain them by not joining ISIS.
Whatever your views are on her it was obvious that she would end up back in the UK at some point (unless she met with an unfortunate accident in the camp). Legally it always looked like a dumb decision from a faux hard man playing at being tough. Playing to the crowd instead of just getting on doing sensible and effective government, the same shit that has thousands needlessly die and more to come.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Let's move on from a rather harsh and unpleasant comment, shall we?
Nobody wants to resurrect other examples of so-called hilarious comments made about late family, and sexual assaults in the past.
Nobody wants to resurrect other examples of so-called hilarious comments made about late family, and sexual assaults in the past.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
It creates a precedent in that this is the first time this disgusting piece of sophistry has actually been successfully used, if it is successful. There were previous cases of men over the age of 21 who argued against it successfully in court on the basis of being over 21, but this particular bit of cunty law hasn't actually been tested properly wrt someone under 21 before Begum. Sometimes important principles need to be defended in cases involving the very worst people. If reasonable law only applies to 'reasonable' people, we're in a very dangerous place.
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
There's little more problematic than youthful idealism, is there?
Anyway, as I have said earlier in tthere are peope who have killed, tortured and maimed in the various combatant groups in Northern Ireland freely walking the streets and participating in public life and that doesn't seem to be too problematic. Are Protestant Catholic and Cof E maniac murderers somehow different?
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