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Brexit party on 31 January in London is going ahead. And it will be shit.

JimW said:
I voted leave and would again. When was a smooth withdrawal from the EU with no victims going to be on the table? If you havered so as not to throw some people under the bus felt like you were just throwing others under (or into the sea) instead, so I stuck to the basic question, in or out. The consequences of a remain victory for further centralisation and technocratic end-running round democracy were also a consideration.
The form it's taken is hardly something to celebrate, but I'm pleased that it's delivered a check to the EU project.
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But it wasn't a basic question really. And although you're one of my favourite posters you are another ex-pat who voted leave so it's not going to affect you very much anyway.
 
scifisam said:
But it wasn't a basic question really. And although you're one of my favourite posters you are another ex-pat who voted leave so it's not going to affect you very much anyway.
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I was living in England at the time with no idea I was heading back to China. Still maintain it was a basic question, even if either choice had a whole raft of connotations and consequences.
 
JimW said:
I was living in England at the time with no idea I was heading back to China. Still maintain it was a basic question, even if either choice had a whole raft of connotations and consequences.
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I was in England when I voted and flew back the same day . I was surprised at the result tbh
 
Manter said:
It’s difficult to explain in the way that it would be hard to explain ‘feeling British’.

Easiest way to describe it I guess is that when I was travelling and I got back to Europe I felt like I was home again.
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What has changed?

When I travel out of Europe on say, Lufthansa, I arrive back in Frankfurt or Munich and feel that I am nearly home, I am in a country that has pretty much the same culture as that in which I was raised, I speak enough of the language to get by (order a set of bagpipes, at least), but not home, cos Germany is not home, it’s just far closer than where I have been, both physically and culturally. And it’s not going anywhere. The benefits of EU membership that we are losing, what are they? What will you no longer be able to do now we are out? Other than get a zero-hours or otherwise exploitative job in a country other than the UK.
 
Bahnhof Strasse said:
What has changed?

When I travel out of Europe on say, Lufthansa, I arrive back in Frankfurt or Munich and feel that I am nearly home, I am in a country that has pretty much the same culture as that in which I was raised, I speak enough of the language to get by (order a set of bagpipes, at least), but not home, cos Germany is not home, it’s just far closer than where I have been, both physically and culturally. And it’s not going anywhere. The benefits of EU membership that we are losing, what are they? What will you no longer be able to do now we are out? Other than get a zero-hours or otherwise exploitative job in a country other than the UK.
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The European Court of Human Rights has been kinda handy :/
 
Can you get a Zero hours Contract in most EU countries?

:hmm:

and like the exit is going to help workers right

did they not remove the issue from the withdrawl bill not long after winning the election?
 
kebabking said:
ECHR isn't part of the EU. Still members of the ECHR, and that's unlikely to change.

So, you being a well informed expert on this whole EU membership thing that all the thicky racists didn't understand....
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Really ? Then what is this :

When Britain leaves the EU, the Government have said the Charter will no longer have effect in UK law
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Our Brexit work | Equality and Human Rights Commission

www.equalityhumanrights.com www.equalityhumanrights.com

:/

We do not currently have a British Bill of Rights.
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eh ?
 
Well thats good then. I was genuinly worried about that.
Can`t think of anything else TBH .

Edit.

No hang on

The impact of Brexit on our equality and human rights will depend on the laws that are passed to deal with leaving the EU.

The Government published a White Paper on a Great Repeal Bill on 30 March 2017. The White Paper provides some clarity about how equality and human rights concerns will be addressed. For example:


  • existing EU law in place at the point the UK leaves the EU will be preserved 'wherever possible'
  • the protections in the Equality Acts 2006 and 2010 will be retained after we leave the EU
  • worker’s rights that arise from EU law will continue to be available in the UK
  • current European Court (CJEU) case law will be preserved, but the Bill will not provide any role for the CJEU in the interpretation of new laws and will not require our courts to consider future CJEU’s case law
  • the Charter of Fundamental Rights will be removed from UK law
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You don`t think that capital might have it`s sights on this ?
 
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Ax^ said:
Can you get a Zero hours Contract in most EU countries?

:hmm:

and like the exit is going to help workers right

did they not remove the issue from the withdrawl bill not long after winning the election?
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You can get zero hours contracts. But as a UK citizen your chance to get a job on the fry station at McDonald’s in Bucharest has now gone. So it is understandable that some people on here professed to have spent yesterday crying.

Should you be after a job at CERN and you have the qualifications to land the role, I suspect that the UK leaving the EU will not present you with any barriers to taking up that position.
 
Not a UK Citizen so would not be an issue

plus even in Romania, Zero hour contract are not as widely used as the UK
 
Bahnhof Strasse said:
:facepalm:
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You suspect. Well that is reasuring . But there is an obvious massive oppertunity for us all to get fucked on a human rights level ... but i guess you trust the government whitepaper ?

The impact of Brexit on our equality and human rights will depend on the laws that are passed to deal with leaving the EU.
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And seeing as they are busy dismanteling the NHS, postering about fucking us even harder with the CJA, and cutting back on disabled benifits .... yes ... i`m sure we can trust that whitepaper.

kebabking said:
That will be the Charter, which as the article you've posted makes clear, has nothing to do with the Convention, which is what the ECHR governs.

If you're going to post this stuff, it might be an idea to read it first.
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But it does obviously open a pandoras box of oppertunity for capital to dismantel all rights. So maybe you should have read it also :p
 
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RTWL said:
You suspect. Well that is reasuring . But there is an obvious massive oppertunity for us all to get fucked on a human rights level ... but i guess you trust the government whitepaper ?



And seeing as they are busy dismanteling the NHS, postering about fucking us even harder with the CJA, and cutting back on disabled benifits .... yes ... i`m sure we can trust that whitepaper.
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So, which Human Rights that the Charter protects do you think are not protected by the Convention?

Almost genuinely interested, I mean it's obvious that you're a panic merchant who's scrambling from one strawman to the next....
 
Ax^ said:
Not a UK Citizen so would not be an issue

plus even in Romania, Zero hour contract are not as widely used as the UK
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Quite a few EU countries either ban zero hours or set restrictions, eg in Germany they have to pay workers a minimum of three hours, although there is no EU prohibition of zero hours as far as I know. Interestingly zero hours big in the scandinavian economies, those ones that lots of people laud as social democratic.

Anyway one problem is that being in the EU didn't prevent the UK developing a sizeable zero hour culture. Or opting out of WTD. Which undermines the idea that EU has any utility as a safeguard of workers rights. Then in many other instances EU requirements are below existing rights fought for and secured by UK workers. Almost like the EU doesn't really offer anything to workers and doesn't have a different economic model to, well, anywhere else. Which isn't suprising I suppose because it's a free trade bloc which serves the interest of capital, or the people that benefit from labour exploitation, and not a really big trade union.
 
kebabking said:
So, which Human Rights that the Charter protects do you think are not protected by the Convention?

Almost genuinely interested, I mean it's obvious that you're a panic merchant who's scrambling from one strawman to the next....
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Did you not read that link then ?

In light of the government intentions explained in the White Paper, the most significant effect of Brexit on equality and human rights are likely to be:


  • the loss of the Charter of Fundamental Rights which includes some rights which are not in the Human Rights Act, for example on the rights of the child and a general right to non-discrimination. The Charter also provides a stronger way of enforcing human rights, in some cases, than the Human Rights Act.
  • the loss of the guarantee for equality rights provided by EU law. As a result of Brexit a future government could seek to pass laws which repeal or weaken our current rights below the standard of EU law rights
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And that is if our beloved Tory government actually sticks to the whitepaper .... which already has some pretty loose promises.
 
RTWL said:
You suspect. Well that is reasuring . But there is an obvious massive oppertunity for us all to get fucked on a human rights level ... but i guess you trust the government whitepaper ?



And seeing as they are busy dismanteling the NHS, postering about fucking us even harder with the CJA, and cutting back on disabled benifits .... yes ... i`m sure we can trust that whitepaper.



But it does obviously open a pandoras box of oppertunity for capital to dismantel all rights. So maybe you should have read it also :p
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kebabking said:
you're a panic merchant who's scrambling from one strawman to the next....
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You think Cambridge Anylitica is a straw man? You think a realistic concern for the erosion of our rights is a straw man ?

Whatever !

I just think alarm is currently justified . Makes more sense than burrying your head in the sand to me.
 
Haven't seen this posted anywhere on here yet, but Brexit is clearly emboldening those who feel that people shouldn't speak their own language, if they want to, in their own home. They should speak the 'Queens (sic) English'.

www.bbc.co.uk

'Happy Brexit Day' signs at Norwich flats say 'only speak English'

The signs, which say "we do not tolerate" non-English speakers, have been reported to police.
www.bbc.co.uk

Why am I not surprised? Imagine what it feels like to be, say, Polish or Syrian, and to read that.
 
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