Boris's ban on alcohol on London Transport (with poll)

[editor]

Garf: are you still sticking by your emphatic claim that: ""alchol destroies brain cells with any amount drunk it is a diluted posion. period" and if so, could you kindly produce some credible sources for that assertion?

Thanks.

 

[*Miss Daisy*]

Thank heavens Boris is getting stuck into the really important issues!
Apparently, we can expect drinking on the tube (and, presumably buses) to be banned within a few days.
So there goes one of life's harmless little pleasures.

In answer to the OP as i dunno what you's up there ^^^ is bangin on about.

I voted that i arent really bothered but think its a good idea possibly.
Why is there a need to drink alcohol on the tube? if ya just travelling on the tube surely you can wait til you get off then have a drink - i think it'll help - i find it a bit intimadating when theres peeps drinking on trains getting rowdy...would also be setting an example to the yoof who see that its NOT ok to get pissed on trains/tubes/buse as they see adults then do it themselves and get frowned upon.

... and if smokings been banned then so should the other legal stuffs like alcohol - is it legal to sniff poppers on the tube? if not then why not?


TBH I dont really give a fuck coz i've only been on the tube once and it was naff so i conclude by

 

[editor]

oh i can trade research all day with you but the fact remains that you cannot prove it anymore than i can and i'd like to see some verifiable ualifations for your 'neurosicentitists' other than on your own links...

Here's the qualifications of Professor Bartlett, who is widely acknowledged as one of the world's leading brain scientists.

Professor Perry Bartlett FAA was appointed Foundation Chair in Molecular Neuroscience at The University of Queensland in August 2002, and as Director of the Queensland Brain Institute and Australian Research Council Federation Fellow in 2003.

He previously headed the neurobiology division of the Walter and Eliza Hall Institute in Melbourne, where his group was the first to identify a neuronal precursor in the adult brain, leading to a paradigm shift in our understanding of the brain and underpinning the burgeoning field of neuroregeneration.

In Queensland, Professor Bartlett is continuing his research into how the production of new neurons influences the function of the adult brain - such as how memory and learning, and neurogensis, are regulated. Finding the mechanisms that regulate these processes is the primary focus of QBI and will lead to a new generation of therapeutics to treat the avalanche of neurological and mental illnesses.
http://www.abc.net.au/queensland/conversations/stories/s2013874.htm?queensland

Now, will you finally post up some research that actually backs up your assertion that "alcohol destroys brain cells with any amount drunk" now please, because so far it's Professor Perry Bartlett versus Garf and I know who my money's on here.

 

[ajdown]

would also be setting an example to the yoof who see that its NOT ok to get pissed on trains/tubes/buse as they see adults then do it themselves and get frowned upon.

An excellent point that I don't think has been made before.

 

[dream_girl]

In answer to the OP as i dunno what you's up there ^^^ is bangin on about.

I voted that i arent really bothered but think its a good idea possibly.
Why is there a need to drink alcohol on the tube? if ya just travelling on the tube surely you can wait til you get off then have a drink - i think it'll help - i find it a bit intimadating when theres peeps drinking on trains getting rowdy...would also be setting an example to the yoof who see that its NOT ok to get pissed on trains/tubes/buse as they see adults then do it themselves and get frowned upon.

... and if smokings been banned then so should the other legal stuffs like alcohol - is it legal to sniff poppers on the tube? if not then why not?


TBH I dont really give a fuck coz i've only been on the tube once and it was naff so i conclude by

fuck me

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

scottish study into alcohol related brain damage.
http://www.alcoholinformation.isdsc...tID=1976&p_applic=CCC&p_service=Content.show&

and the pdf itself.

http://www.alcoholinformation.isdscotland.org/alcohol_misuse/files/ARBD_MeetingNeeds.pdf

austrailian study into acuuired brain injury

http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/BHCV2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/Alcohol_related_brain_damage?open
this being particularlly relevant.

Alcohol and brain injury
Brain injury can be caused by alcohol because it:
Has a toxic effect on the central nervous system
Results in changes to metabolism, heart functioning and blood supply
Interferes with the absorption of vitamin B1 (thiamine), which is an important brain nutrient
May be associated with poor nutrition
Can cause dehydration, which may lead to wastage of brain cells
Can lead to falls and accidents that injure the brain.

discussion of both Wernicke's encephalopathy and Korsakoff's psychosis

http://www.alzscot.org/pages/info/alcohol.htm

insitute of alchol studies scotish study...

http://www.ias.org.uk/resources/publications/alcoholalert/alert200302/al200302_p16.html
and image

insititue of alcohol abuse and alcoholism....

http://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/aa63/aa63.htm

as i said we can go on trading links all day but again you fail to conceed your original point was in error...

 

[*Miss Daisy*]

fuck me

no

 

[rutabowa]

scottish study into alcohol related brain damage.
http://www.alcoholinformation.isdsc...tID=1976&p_applic=CCC&p_service=Content.show&

and the pdf itself.

http://www.alcoholinformation.isdscotland.org/alcohol_misuse/files/ARBD_MeetingNeeds.pdf

austrailian study into acuuired brain injury

http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/BHCV2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/Alcohol_related_brain_damage?open
this being particularlly relevant.



discussion of both Wernicke's encephalopathy and Korsakoff's psychosis

http://www.alzscot.org/pages/info/alcohol.htm

insitute of alchol studies scotish study...

http://www.ias.org.uk/resources/publications/alcoholalert/alert200302/al200302_p16.html
and image

insititue of alcohol abuse and alcoholism....

http://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/aa63/aa63.htm

as i said we can go on trading links all day but again you fail to conceed your original point was in error...

all of those links say that HEAVY drinking MAY cause brain damage. you were saying that even moderate drinking definitely will cause damage... so they prove the opposite of what you say.

 

[editor]

as i said we can go on trading links all day but again you fail to conceed your original point was in error...

Not one of those links supports your claim that "alcohol destroys brain cells with any amount drunk" so why don't you just admit you were wrong instead of wasting more time digging a bigger hole for yourself?

 

[dream_girl]

I've gotta say - none of this backs up your earlier statement Garfield.

 

[citydreams]

alchol destroies brain cells with any amount drunk it is a diluted posion. period. this can never be considered a good thing...

What, never!? Never ever?? I think you might be exaggerating a wee bit Professor Garf... lay off the shandies mate.

 

[*Miss Daisy*]

An excellent point that I don't think has been made before.

cheers - obviously others think differently tho

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

all of those links say that HEAVY drinking MAY cause brain damage. you were saying that even moderate drinking definitely will cause damage... so they prove the opposite of what you say.

so logically according to your comments there is no build up or previous damage it all arrives at a given point and then does major damage....

suddenly 2 beers fine 5 beers brain damage.

(obivously reductio absurbium but you see the point)

Not one of those links supports your claim that "alcohol destroys brain cells with any amount drunk" so why don't you just admit you were wrong instead of wasting more time digging a bigger hole for yourself?

ditto sudden and sever brain damage from nowhere. no causality links oh noez...

What, never!? Never ever?? I think you might be exaggerating a wee bit Professor Garf... lay off the shandies mate.

I'm sure you are well aware of the consiquneces of mucking around with peoples users names. it's stated on my every post for your refference...

 

[citydreams]

would also be setting an example to the yoof who see that its NOT ok to get pissed on trains/tubes/buse as they see adults then do it themselves and get frowned upon.

When i was getting pissed on jacked vodka at 14 the only adults that were doing similiar were the care-in-the-community sorts. I wasn't aspiring towards their life-style

It's one thing to get pissed uncontrollable.. It's another to have a wee dram and make merry.

ps. In the jewish religion everyone, including hoodied-youth, are expected to get rip-roaringly drunk all day long for the festival of Purim.

 

[editor]

so logically according to your comments there is no build up or previous damage it all arrives at a given point and then does major damage...

Your claim was emphatic and free of caveats: "alcohol destroys brain cells with any amount drunk."

Can you finally back that up with some relevant research, please? Or, if you like, you could just admit that you were wrong, which you are..

 

[*Miss Daisy*]

When i was getting pissed on jacked vodka at 14 the only adults that were doing similiar were the care-in-the-community sorts. I wasn't aspiring towards their life-style

It's one thing to get pissed uncontrollable.. It's another to have a wee dram and make merry.

ps. In the jewish religion everyone, including hoodied-youth, are expected to get rip-roaringly drunk all day long for the festival of Purim.

to yoo too!

i agree with you actually (the wee dram bit) but where do you draw the line - footie thugs knocking back kegs of beer - alkis having their brown paper bags - gangs of yoof with their alkopops.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Your claim was emphatic and free of caveats: "alcohol destroys brain cells with any amount drunk."

Can you finally back that up with some relevant research, please? Or, if you like, you could just admit that you were wrong, which you are..

i have backed it up large build ups cause brain damage. ergo small amounts contribute to this...

unless you are saying that actually the effect is instantaious at a certain peak point taking us back to the frivilous 2 beers good 5 beers bad....

you not accepting that is neither here nor there i've established that your comments about alcohol releate brain damage is neither an old wives tale nor incorrect. as you clearly stated.

and also that if a build up causes brain damage then the same follows for a minor amount, unless you can prove a sudden change occurs there is no other explaination for the build up.

it's simple extrapolation and one which is very elementary in it's logic.

it happens to be on a subject however where you are overly emotive because it's a vice you enjoy.

 

[rutabowa]

i have backed it up large build ups cause brain damage. ergo small amounts contribute to this...

unless you are saying that actually the effect is instantaious at a certain peak point taking us back to the frivilous 2 beers good 5 beers bad....

you not accepting that is neither here nor there i've established that your comments about alcohol releate brain damage is neither an old wives tale nor incorrect. as you clearly stated.

and also that if a build up causes brain damage then the same follows for a minor amount, unless you can prove a sudden change occurs there is no other explaination for the build up.

it's simple extrapolation and one which is very elementary in it's logic.

it happens to be on a subject however where you are overly emotive because it's a vice you enjoy.

it is much more complicated than you are suggesting. there is a kind of "point of no return" after which brain damage occurs fairly rapidly after prolonged heavy drinking. you can see even alcoholics who can function very well for a long amount of time, then they suddenly decline. it isn't the case each pint of beer causes a tiny amount of brain damage that is a ridiculous extrapolation!! otherwise there'd be loads of people at various stages of brain damage.

 

[editor]

i have backed it up large build ups cause brain damage. ergo small amounts contribute to this...

unless you are saying that actually the effect is instantaious at a certain peak point taking us back to the frivilous 2 beers good 5 beers bad....

you not accepting that is neither here nor there i've established that your comments about alcohol releate brain damage is neither an old wives tale nor incorrect. as you clearly stated.

and also that if a build up causes brain damage then the same follows for a minor amount, unless you can prove a sudden change occurs there is no other explaination for the build up.

None of the above waffle helps - or backs up - your claim that "alcohol destroys brain cells with any amount drunk."

Oh well. You may be too stubborn to admit to your silly error, but I'm pretty sure all this blustering isn't fooling anyone.

Let's ask. Does anyone think Garf's assertion that "alcohol destroys brain cells with any amount drunk" is correct and he's backed it up with credible research?

Anyone?

 

[dream_girl]

Let's ask. Does anyone think Garf's assertion that "alcohol destroys brain cells with any amount drunk" is correct and he's backed it up with credible research?

Anyone?

yes!






















No - not really

 

[ajdown]

Let's ask. Does anyone think Garf's assertion that "alcohol destroys brain cells with any amount drunk" is correct and he's backed it up with credible research?

Anyone?

However, would you agree with the statement 'even just one drink can impair your judgement', even if only on a short term basis?

 

[Crispy]

However, would you agree with the statement 'even just one drink can impair your judgement', even if only on a short term basis?

Yes, The response is not linear, though.

 

[dream_girl]

However, would you agree with the statement 'even just one drink can impair your judgement', even if only on a short term basis?

there are a lot of things that can impair your judgement - a headache, reading the Sun, or the Guardian for that matter, and believing in christian moralistic bollox - i find that above all impairs judgement actually.

 

[editor]

However, would you agree with the statement 'even just one drink can impair your judgement', even if only on a short term basis?

Of course, although that very much depends on the drink and the person drinking it and a host of other circumstances.

I can't see why you're asking me this, to be honest.

 

[Crispy]

Of course, although that very much depends on the drink and the person drinking it and a host of other circumstances.

I can't see why you're asking me this, to be honest.

Let's wait and find out.

 

[rutabowa]

Let's wait and find out.

i can hardly control myself

 

[ajdown]

I can't see why you're asking me this, to be honest.

You don't need to know, you just needed to respond, and you agree with me.

That's a good start

 

[dream_girl]

I've already wet myself twice.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

it is much more complicated than you are suggesting. there is a kind of "point of no return" after which brain damage occurs fairly rapidly after prolonged heavy drinking. you can see even alcoholics who can function very well for a long amount of time, then they suddenly decline. it isn't the case each pint of beer causes a tiny amount of brain damage that is a ridiculous extrapolation!! otherwise there'd be loads of people at various stages of brain damage.

it's nto a ridiculious extrapoliation at all... clearly you know little about posioning...

posion of which alcohol is, builds up in the body to the pioint where the body can no longer deal with it at that point the sudden noticable decline happens however this will occur a long time before the sudden decline but have less noticeable effects.... Most of the evidence i have seen seems to indicate this may well be to do with the vitamin reuptake and the inablity to do so causing the actual damage rather than it being a direct damage factor of the alcohol. this as we well know means that these deficencies must be occuring at a low level before the sudden obvious decline.

no build up. no damage. yet there is damage beign done to take you to that point of sudden decline.

 

[dream_girl]

it's nto a ridiculious extrapoliation at all... clearly you know little about posioning...

posion of which alcohol is, builds up in the body to the pioint where the body can no longer deal with it at that point the sudden noticable decline happens however this will occur a long time before the sudden decline but have less noticeable effects.... Most of the evidence i have seen seems to indicate this may well be to do with the vitamin reuptake and the inablity to do so causing the actual damage rather than it being a direct damage factor of the alcohol. this as we well know means that these deficencies must be occuring at a low level before the sudden obvious decline.

no build up. no damage. yet there is damage beign done to take you to that point of sudden decline.

it's still not what you said earlier though is it?