Boris's ban on alcohol on London Transport (with poll)

[ajdown]

i'm not sure if it extends to greater london, but in zones 1-3 anyway non-smokers are now subject to a range of proscriptive legislation, covering things like priority at road junctions and entry to public places. it was part of the reason boris johnson got elected.

I have a sneaky suspicion that you could be trying to wind me up here...

Anything Ken did would have applied to zones 1-6

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

For many moderate drinkers, it is.

In fact, there's good evidence to suggest that moderate alcohol consumption can be positively beneficially to your heath.

really brain cell death which occurse for any amount of alchol is apostive thing is it...

like to see the medical science and research you have done which will back this up as fact... and that it's postively beneficially to your health.

links and sources please.

or again are you talking out of your hat...

 

[dream_girl]

really brain cell death which occurse for any amount of alchol

where's your evidence

 

[rutabowa]

like to see the medical science and research you have done which will back this up as fact... and that it's postively beneficially to your health.

links and sources please.

there are loads of doctors who say it's good and loads who say it's bad you must know that. what good would it be to pull up sources etc?

 

[Badgers]

Will it still be legal to drink alcohol while cycling?

 

[dream_girl]

Will it still be legal to drink alcohol while cycling?

Yes. There is no legal limit and you cannot be breathalised. It's a judgement call at the discretion of the police officer who can stop you if she thinks you are too drunk to cycle.

But watch you're not drinking in a no alcohol zone.

 

[ajdown]

Will it still be legal to drink alcohol while cycling?

Was it ever legal?

 

[Crispy]

Will it still be legal to drink alcohol while cycling?

Whilst texting. Naked. At night with no lights on.

 

[dream_girl]

Was it ever legal?

yes - it is.

 

[rutabowa]

Will it still be legal to drink alcohol while cycling?

compulsory i thought? it is a bit of a hassle, cycling round old street roundabout having to hold the fag in my mouth whilst i change the volume on my walkman with the same hand i have the beer can in.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Garf, nobody is saying that alcohol is harmless, the debate is more about someone having a couple of cold ones on the way to the pub. Such people are pretty unlikely to be drunk. Hence the having the beer on the way.

you wanna learn to read i quoted in full and bolded the part where someone was actually saying alcohol isharmless and also our own dear hard the editor thinks it's perfectly harmless (not that ed is in any way biased in support of his own vices over those of others one might add, something we all do to some extent.)

alchol destroies brain cells with any amount drunk it is a diluted posion. period. this can never be considered a good thing...

 

[Fruitloop]

You could cycle with one of these:

 

[dream_girl]

compulsory i thought? it is a bit of a hassle, cycling round old street roundabout having to hold the fag in my mouth whilst i change the volume on my walkman with the same hand i have the beer can in.

makes it difficult to keep jumping all those red lights

 

[dream_girl]

alchol destroies brain cells with any amount drunk

I've hear this but read recently that its not true. Do you know that it is true - or is it just something everyone think they know?

 

[rutabowa]

makes it difficult to keep jumping all those red lights

yeh i had to spit beer all over this old lady to stop her cos she tryed to step onto a zebra crossing while i was speeding with no hands on the brakes

 

[rutabowa]

I've hear this but read recently that its not true. Do you know that it is true - or is it just something everyone think they know?

the sentence "alcohol destroys brain cells with any amount drunk" is not true.

 

[editor]

really brain cell death which occurse for any amount of alchol is apostive thing is it...

like to see the medical science and research you have done which will back this up as fact... and that it's postively beneficially to your health.

links and sources please.

or again are you talking out of your hat...

Cut yourself a nice big slice of humble pie, Garf. Oh, and will you fucking quit shoving in your pathetic little personal digs? Thanks.

The old advertising slogan "Guinness is Good for You" may be true after all, according to researchers. A pint of the black stuff a day may work as well as an aspirin to prevent heart clots that raise the risk of heart attacks
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3266819.stm

Some studies suggest alcohol can be good for you in small amounts. Evidence shows that for people more at risk of heart attacks – those in middle age and older – drinking one to two units of alcohol a day can minimise the chances of a heart attack and lower cholesterol.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/shouldiworryabout/drinking.shtml

Middle-aged non-drinkers can quickly reduce their risk of heart disease by introducing a daily tipple to their diet, South Carolina researchers say. New moderate drinkers were 38% less likely to develop heart disease than those who stayed tee-total, a four-year study involving 7,500 people found.

Those who drank only wine showed the most benefit, the researchers reported in the American Medical Journal
http://medicineroom.wordpress.com/2...-heart-risk-bbc-news-today-what-do-you-think/

Drinking a moderate amount of alcohol could be the key to a longer life - as long as you also do a bit of exercise.

A study out today showed drinkers who were physically active cut their risk of dying more than people who abstained but did no exercise.

They were 50 per cent less likely to suffer heart disease and 33 per cent less likely to die from other causes.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/lifestyle/health/2008/01/09/boozing-is-good-for-you-89520-20279278/

Etc etc etc zzzzzzzz

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

there are loads of doctors who say it's good and loads who say it's bad you must know that. what good would it be to pull up sources etc?

the editor has made a definitive statement and shold back it up as he beleives it's 'positively beneficially' and entirely harmless.

any one adovating that should really be able to substatiate their claims... definuitively, else they cannot makes such claims... and should retract them...

it's called rigours of debate...

i dunno have you heard of them...

 

[rutabowa]

the editor has made a definitive statement and shold back it up as he beleives it's 'positively beneficially' and entirely harmless.

no he hasn't. the end.

 

[spring-peeper]

the sentence "alcohol destroys brain cells with any amount drunk" is not true.

I thought that we grew new ones.

 

[editor]

alchol destroies brain cells with any amount drunk it is a diluted posion. period. this can never be considered a good thing...

Sigh. Why are you recycling these old wives' tales?

Myth: Alcohol destroys brain cells and makes you stupid

Alcohol has no effect on the lifecycle of brain cells . According to Queensland Brain Institute director Professor Perry Bartlett in Australia, drinking alcohol does not kill brain cells, even if it feels like it did the next morning. The commonly accepted notion that alcohol creates huge craters of dead cells in your brain turns out to be an old wives’ tale. In moderate amounts, Italian researchers have demonstrated that red wine helps the brain and can prevent dementia in old age.
http://www.fermentarium.com/content/view/110/59/

Does alcohol kill brain cells?

...alcohol does not destroy brain cells, but it certainly can damage brain cells.
http://www.nmsu.edu/~wave/ask_an_aggie/alcohol_drugs_tobacco.php

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Cut yourself a nice big slice of humble pie, Garf. Oh, and will you fucking quit shoving in your pathetic little personal digs? Thanks.

Etc etc etc zzzzzzzz

intresting not one of those actually proves your point though does it... or indeed disproves mine links pleas eto alcohol is entirely harmless ....

and as you've quoted it you can of course read, i have no doubt...

really brain cell death which occurse for any amount of alchol is apostive thing is it

when you are ready.

and saying someone is talking out of their hat isn't a personal dig unless you have some kind of elephantine ego which cannot stand being questioned on the vaildity of what they say in any matter. Which, i wasn't previously aware you had.

so can we stick to what's being said please.

back up your claim that alchol is entirely harmless the part which you have failed to provide any evidence for or retract as you were talking out of your hat... it's a simple enough proceedure.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Sigh. Why are you recycling these old wives' tales?

any chance of some non biased soruces which aren't from the alchol industry?

 

[rutabowa]

back up your claim that alchol is entirely harmless

could you find where anyone has said that alcohol is entirely harmless? i can't find anyone who's said that.

 

[editor]

any chance of some non biased soruces which aren't from the alchol industry?

Is the Queensland Brain Institute director Professor Perry Bartlett in Australia paid for by the alcohol industry then?
And what about this research:

Study finds alcohol doesn't kill off brain cells

NEW research, to be revealed at a conference of some of the world's top neuroscientists in Cairns today, has found alcohol does not kill off brain cells as always thought.

For years imbibers have been told a big night on the drink wipes out entire sections of human brain cell function with much the same destructive equivalent as a napalm bombing strike.

According to Queensland Brain Institute director Professor Perry Bartlett, this is not true.

There is no evidence drinking alcohol leads directly to the death of brain cells, he said.

"Some of the best studies, done in Italy, show a bottle of wine a night can reduce the risk of dementia in old age," Professor Bartlett said.

In moderation, alcohol has positive benefits for blood vessel health and stroke prevention. And, as an added bonus, new brain cells are generated every day of our lives.
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22046556-2,00.html

Seeing as you're insisting that some of the world's top neuroscientists are wrong, please provide some credible sources to back up your emphatic assertion that: "alchol destroies brain cells with any amount drunk it is a diluted posion. period."

Thanks.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

could you find where anyone has said that alcohol is entirely harmless? i can't find anyone who's said that.

no one with even half a mind of a small gnat would call the consumption of alchol entirely harmless....

my comment which the editor quoted and responded with the folllowing....

For many moderate drinkers, it is.

ergo the editor is saying drinking is entirely harmless...

(for moderate drinkers. not all drinkers)

 

[editor]

could you find where anyone has said that alcohol is entirely harmless? i can't find anyone who's said that.

I certainly haven't made that claim, so I'll be looking forward to Garf's response on this one.

*edit: LOL at Garf's desperate, highly selective quoting of my words!

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Is the Queensland Brain Institute director Professor Perry Bartlett in Australia paid for by the alcohol industry then?

And what about this research:

Seeing as you're insisting that some of the world's top neuroscientists are wrong, please provide some credible sources to back up your emphatic assertion that: "alchol destroies brain cells with any amount drunk it is a diluted posion. period."

Thanks.

oh i can trade research all day with you but the fact remains that you cannot prove it anymore than i can and i'd like to see some verifiable ualifations for your 'neurosicentitists' other than on your own links...

come on don't Jazzz this, put up verifable cross refferenceable sources...

 

[rutabowa]

my comment which the editor quoted and responded with the folllowing....



ergo the editor is saying drinking is entirely harmless...

(for moderate drinkers. not all drinkers)

ok so that's saying the consumption of alcohol in moderation is entirely harmless? ok well i would modify that to almost entirely harmless but i pretty much agree, that is the standard medical view isn't it?

 

[rutabowa]

oh i can trade research all day with you but the fact remains that you cannot prove it anymore than i can and i'd like to see some verifiable ualifations for your 'neurosicentitists' other than on your own links...

come on don't Jazzz this, put up verifable cross refferenceable sources...

i don't really get what yr arguing about any more!!