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Boris's ban on alcohol on London Transport (with poll)

What do you think of Boris's proposed ban on drinking on public transport?


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We dont pay road tax and we're often quicker than cars across town.
I can afford to run cars, I just prefer freewheeling past queues of traffic watching fat and unfit drivers get vexed...

Precisely. You don't pay tax for using the roads, yet you do. Doesn't seem right to me.
 
Anyway we could ban ajdown. I don't like his posts much, and, based on his own ramblings, if someone doesn't like something much it should be banned... :cool::D

If the only defense against the truths I post is to silence me, then it just goes to show that you have nothing left to counteract what I'm saying.

Funny how people here are fighting for 'freedom' and the ability to do whatever they want wherever they want whenever they want, regardless of how it might affect others ... then want to silence someone they simply disagree with.
 
Precisely. You don't pay tax for using the roads, yet you do. Doesn't seem right to me.

We dont cause potholes, pollution, congestion, parking problems, or pay through the nose for fuel.
And the bike predates the car, we were here first, so we own the roads.
:)
I'm pretty sure you used to post here before under a different name, am I right?
 
Just two points.

1) The majority of the actual mileage of the "underground" actually isn't in a tunnel, but out in the open.

2) The ban is transport-wide in London, not just on the tube. The problem Boris is addressing happens on all modes of transport.

2a) the problem isn't being addressed merely the new mayor like the old one is moving the problem away from his own jurisdiction and into others then he can abdicated all responsiblity whilst continuing to complain about the shocking state of 24 hour drinking and people being drunk...
 
and the ban isnt transport wide, it only applies on tubes and buses

which means commuters will still be able to have a drink on their way back to the home counties
 
I couldn't, not in London.

I'm not selfish, I couldn't jump red lights, I couldn't weave in and out of slow moving traffic dangerously, and I certainly couldn't travel in packs of 3 or 4 blocking the bus lane.

I'd either ban cycling totally, or make people have insurance/take a test to be legal, and put policemen randomly at traffic lights to fine those who cycle dangerously.

Most of 'em have total contempt for those in cars too - probably because they can't afford to run a car or get a bus pass. Perhaps it's time to get a job instead of full time 'activism'?

Who's engaged in full-time activism? :confused: Every cyclist? I guess it's feasible you might think that, since you think (or pretend to think) that every cyclist does all those other things.
 
Most of 'em have total contempt for those in cars too - probably because they can't afford to run a car or get a bus pass. Perhaps it's time to get a job instead of full time 'activism'?

Ha, now this is funny :D
 
Can't help but think a lot of the talk on this thread is more to do with a dislike of Boris than whether or not you can have a can on the tube.

I have enjoyed a refreshing beverage before now but it was a bit of a shock to me when I moved to London from Newcastle where its been banned on the Metro system for years.

Anyway, in other news, Boris has got a deal sorted with First Great Western so we can use Oyster on their overground and states he will speak to the other train companies about their policy before the summer.

Good lad Boris, this is the sort of fucking common sense stuff that should have been in place for years. More of the same please.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7395741.stm

FWIW, I've looked into this a bit more. Turns out that most of the train companies already accept Oyster; there are only three that don't, all have already agreed to start accepting it, on a schedule, and FGW were actually supposed to be doing it in May, so they're now doing it later than previously arranged.

So, well done Boris for taking credit for something that had nothing to do with his actions at all.
 
I couldn't, not in London.

I'm not selfish,
anyone who states they're not selfish is very dodgy imo - especially if they're right wing. How can you be right wing without being selfish?

Cycling is the least selfish thing I do. When I drive I pollute and contribute to congestion. When I use my free travel facility I take a seat from paying passengers.


I couldn't jump red lights,
Neither could I - its dangerous :D Unfortunately many motorists on my commuting route don't feel the same and are willing to put other's lives at risk just to save a few seconds journey time - or to save using their brakes.

I couldn't weave in and out of slow moving traffic dangerously,
how does a cyclist weaving in and out of traffic present danger?
It's a pity most motorists don't have a concept of choosing a lane and staying in it, and not straddling two lanes to stop others getting in front, or realising that undertaking at speed is dangerous for other road users, and any maneouvre should only be carried out when visibilty is adequate - using mirrors and indicators as required by the law.

and I certainly couldn't travel in packs of 3 or 4 blocking the bus lane.
My experience is that illegally parked cars, cars impinging on the bus lanes, delivery vehicles, black cabs, road-works and badly driven buses are the main cause of blocked bus lanes. And if cyclists are moving, they are not blocking the bus lane (also marked as cycle lanes btw).

I'm not the fastest cyclist on the road, but rarely does a bus keep up with me on a journey across London - blocking is just not an issue - unless you mean buses holding up cyclists, because that can happen.


I'd either ban cycling totally, or make people have insurance/take a test to be legal, and put policemen randomly at traffic lights to fine those who cycle dangerously.
Hey - good use of taxpayers money. I suspect that these policemen would be far too busy booking all the buses, cars and lorries that abuse traffic lights before they bothered cyclists.

Most of 'em have total contempt for those in cars too - probably because they can't afford to run a car or get a bus pass. Perhaps it's time to get a job instead of full time 'activism'?

I have a free bus pass and a car. I am not so selfish that I would actually use my car during rush hour into central London.

Most cyclists I have known over the last 25 years earn a good salary, own a car, and can easily afford the bus fair. :D and you're a complete tosser if you believe people only ride bikes because they can't afford any other way to commute. do you know how expensive some of those bikes are?
 
Who's engaged in full-time activism? :confused: Every cyclist? I guess it's feasible you might think that, since you think (or pretend to think) that every cyclist does all those other things.

One of the most common things I get shouted at me on the roads when a driver gets the arsehole with me is "get a job".

Er...I've got one, and what makes them think I haven't?:confused:
 
Somebody's probably already pointed this out but I can't be arsed to trawl through the 1000 + posts to find out so forgive me if I'm repeating.

This policy is interesting in light of Johnson's long standing opposition to the public smoking ban. In fact he even pledged that he would allow local referendums on whether the ban should remain. He had to ditch this one pretty quick however when someone told him that he had no power to do it. Nonetheless, the hypocrisy is staggering: whilst he wants to allow smoking in public places, which has been proven to be harmful to others, he has outlawed drinking in public which is in and of itself is an entirely harmless pursuit.

Liberty my arse.
 
That would depend on whether they were right or not about the negative effects on others. If they were morally and intellectually competent I'd be happy to let them do as they please.

Much happier than I would be to accept Boris Johnson's decision that drinking an alcoholic beverage on the Tube leads to a creeping voodoo-esque malevolence and must be banned.

Correct post.
 
Somebody's probably already pointed this out but I can't be arsed to trawl through the 1000 + posts to find out so forgive me if I'm repeating.

This policy is interesting in light of Johnson's long standing opposition to the public smoking ban. In fact he even pledged that he would allow local referendums on whether the ban should remain. He had to ditch this one pretty quick however when someone told him that he had no power to do it. Nonetheless, the hypocrisy is staggering: whilst he wants to allow smoking in public places, which has been proven to be harmful to others, he has outlawed drinking in public which is in and of itself is an entirely harmless pursuit.

Liberty my arse.

erm this makes a mockery of your entire biased loony conmment...

no one with even half a mind of a small gnat would call the consumption of alchol entirely harmless....

even if we ignore drunk drivers, domestic disputes, violence, vandalism, sexual promiscutiy leading to sexually transmitted disease or worse, vomit, broken glass, noise, anti social behaviour and all the instantly recognisable social ills from drinking there are the physicological damage being done and the level of damage beign done to the body which can be as harmful if sustainted as smoking if not worse...

dont' forget that smoking kills less people every year than alcoholism...

If you were going to have a public health issue and want to ban somehting from public consumptuion then it should be booze before fags... by some way...

but then this is the turkey voting for xmas isn't it.

the simple fact remains, people should have the legal right to chose to smoke in a premises they enter as should the premiese themseleves chose whether to allow smoking. Social situtations or actions do not and have never needed state interference, to introduce legislation to outlaw a legal activity in public which is what in essence this is be it drinking or smoking is utterly utterly draconian unnecessary and literlaly taking a liberty...
 
no one with even half a mind of a small gnat would call the consumption of alchol entirely harmless....
For many moderate drinkers, it is.

In fact, there's good evidence to suggest that moderate alcohol consumption can be positively beneficially to your heath.
 
Garf, nobody is saying that alcohol is harmless, the debate is more about someone having a couple of cold ones on the way to the pub. Such people are pretty unlikely to be drunk. Hence the having the beer on the way.
 
Elaborate?

i'm not sure if it extends to greater london, but in zones 1-3 anyway non-smokers are now subject to a range of proscriptive legislation, covering things like priority at road junctions and entry to public places. it was part of the reason boris johnson got elected.
 
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