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Barbara Ellen on "female on male" violence

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Who knows what prompted Solange Knowles to lash out at her brother-in-law, Jay-Z, in a lift at the Met ball, held back by a bodyguard, while her sister, Beyoncé, passively observed? Was Solange drunk, frustrated about her career, sticking up for her sister – all or none of the above? The recently released (carefully vague) statement from the Knowles-Carter camp about the "unfortunate incident" revealed nothing. However, in my opinion, it would be a mistake to view that video scuffle as in any way comparable, never mind equivalent, to the bulk of male on female violence.

Since the incident, there have been relentless debates along the lines of: "If it had been Jay-Z attacking Solange, there would have been an outcry, he'd have been arrested, his career and reputation destroyed – so why does a woman get away with it?" However, this seems painfully simplistic. While there are exceptions, in the majority of cases, FOM violence is different to MOF violence, in myriad ways, ranging from context, scale and intent to self-defence, sexual attacks and death rates.

It's important to note that what happened in the lift was not domestic violence, which can be suffered by both sexes, albeit predominantly women. A woman momentarily lashing out at her brother-in-law at a social event does not count as domestic violence. Perhaps it could have been assault had the bodyguard not intervened. However, even unprotected, would Jay-Z have felt under genuine physical threat from his sister-in-law? Not that women should feel entitled to attack men, but this is a distinction that needs to be made. The differences in physical size and/or strength between the sexes mean that most men are simply not physically scared of most women.

What's more, women tend to be aware of this, if only subliminally. Some females might have periods in their life when they get "slap-happy", primarily when socialising, maybe when attention seeking, usually when drunk (guilty!). When they stop this behaviour, it's usually because they're ashamed, embarrassed or have belatedly realised they're disgusting dogs who can't hold their drink. Whatever the reason, it's unlikely to have anything to do with men being frightened of them. On the contrary, it's wired into the female DNA that in the main they're under threat rather than the threat.

If anything, most women would take it completely for granted that men are not remotely frightened of them. And that's because male physical fear of women is not the norm – there's no dominant culture of hostile matriarchy, where men need to be hyper-vigilant of female violence, or versed in ways to combat it.

There are no self-defence classes taught to men in how to deal with female attacks, sexual or otherwise. As for domestic violence statistics, while there are male victims, who should not be discounted, there isn't the infamous average of two men a week being killed by their partners, as remains the case with women.

None of this has anything to do with Solange and Jay-Z in the Met ball lift, but that's the point. Context becomes important when people start pondering simplistically: "Well, what if it had been a man attacking a woman?" and absurdly leave it at that. In truth, you'd have to take into account obvious physical differences between the sexes generally, and the individuals in particular, not to mention the surrounding culture of patriarchy/entitlement and violence against and subjugation of women.

This is why Solange's attack wasn't disturbing or meaningful in the same way that it would have been if she'd been attacked by a male. Ideally, no one should be attacking someone else. However, the fact that women have always had far more reason to be physically afraid of male violence, rather than vice versa, is hardly news. While female violence gets a disproportionate amount of attention, it's male violence that remains dominant.
http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...nce-fight-assault-domestic-violence-men-women
 
I'd say, Chivalry and ego are the reason why there is not an equilibrium on violence between opposing genders.
 
I'd say, Chivalry and ego are the reason why there is not an equilibrium on violence between opposing genders.

As an equilibrium is a balance, I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Do you mean the difference with which society views them, or the rates at which they occur, or something else.
 
I'd say, Chivalry and ego are the reason why there is not an equilibrium on violence between opposing genders.

I think that is true in some cases, but in most cases surely it's the knowledge that if you hit a woman make you are likely to hurt her quite significantly due to an inbalance of strength?
 
Who knows what prompted Solange Knowles to lash out at her brother-in-law, Jay-Z, in a lift at the Met ball, held back by a bodyguard, while her sister, Beyoncé, passively observed? Was Solange drunk, frustrated about her career, sticking up for her sister – all or none of the above? The recently released (carefully vague) statement from the Knowles-Carter camp about the "unfortunate incident" revealed nothing. However, in my opinion, it would be a mistake to view that video scuffle as in any way comparable, never mind equivalent, to the bulk of male on female violence.

Since the incident, there have been relentless debates along the lines of: "If it had been Jay-Z attacking Solange, there would have been an outcry, he'd have been arrested, his career and reputation destroyed – so why does a woman get away with it?" However, this seems painfully simplistic. While there are exceptions, in the majority of cases, FOM violence is different to MOF violence, in myriad ways, ranging from context, scale and intent to self-defence, sexual attacks and death rates.

It's important to note that what happened in the lift was not domestic violence, which can be suffered by both sexes, albeit predominantly women. A woman momentarily lashing out at her brother-in-law at a social event does not count as domestic violence. Perhaps it could have been assault had the bodyguard not intervened. However, even unprotected, would Jay-Z have felt under genuine physical threat from his sister-in-law? Not that women should feel entitled to attack men, but this is a distinction that needs to be made. The differences in physical size and/or strength between the sexes mean that most men are simply not physically scared of most women.

What's more, women tend to be aware of this, if only subliminally. Some females might have periods in their life when they get "slap-happy", primarily when socialising, maybe when attention seeking, usually when drunk (guilty!). When they stop this behaviour, it's usually because they're ashamed, embarrassed or have belatedly realised they're disgusting dogs who can't hold their drink. Whatever the reason, it's unlikely to have anything to do with men being frightened of them. On the contrary, it's wired into the female DNA that in the main they're under threat rather than the threat.

If anything, most women would take it completely for granted that men are not remotely frightened of them. And that's because male physical fear of women is not the norm – there's no dominant culture of hostile matriarchy, where men need to be hyper-vigilant of female violence, or versed in ways to combat it.

There are no self-defence classes taught to men in how to deal with female attacks, sexual or otherwise. As for domestic violence statistics, while there are male victims, who should not be discounted, there isn't the infamous average of two men a week being killed by their partners, as remains the case with women.

None of this has anything to do with Solange and Jay-Z in the Met ball lift, but that's the point. Context becomes important when people start pondering simplistically: "Well, what if it had been a man attacking a woman?" and absurdly leave it at that. In truth, you'd have to take into account obvious physical differences between the sexes generally, and the individuals in particular, not to mention the surrounding culture of patriarchy/entitlement and violence against and subjugation of women.

This is why Solange's attack wasn't disturbing or meaningful in the same way that it would have been if she'd been attacked by a male. Ideally, no one should be attacking someone else. However, the fact that women have always had far more reason to be physically afraid of male violence, rather than vice versa, is hardly news. While female violence gets a disproportionate amount of attention, it's male violence that remains dominant.
http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...nce-fight-assault-domestic-violence-men-women
but what do YOU think?
 
Who knows what prompted Solange Knowles to lash out at her brother-in-law, Jay-Z, in a lift at the Met ball, held back by a bodyguard, while her sister, Beyoncé, passively observed? Was Solange drunk, frustrated about her career, sticking up for her sister – all or none of the above? The recently released (carefully vague) statement from the Knowles-Carter camp about the "unfortunate incident" revealed nothing. However, in my opinion, it would be a mistake to view that video scuffle as in any way comparable, never mind equivalent, to the bulk of male on female violence.

Since the incident, there have been relentless debates along the lines of: "If it had been Jay-Z attacking Solange, there would have been an outcry, he'd have been arrested, his career and reputation destroyed – so why does a woman get away with it?" However, this seems painfully simplistic. While there are exceptions, in the majority of cases, FOM violence is different to MOF violence, in myriad ways, ranging from context, scale and intent to self-defence, sexual attacks and death rates.

It's important to note that what happened in the lift was not domestic violence, which can be suffered by both sexes, albeit predominantly women. A woman momentarily lashing out at her brother-in-law at a social event does not count as domestic violence. Perhaps it could have been assault had the bodyguard not intervened. However, even unprotected, would Jay-Z have felt under genuine physical threat from his sister-in-law? Not that women should feel entitled to attack men, but this is a distinction that needs to be made. The differences in physical size and/or strength between the sexes mean that most men are simply not physically scared of most women.

What's more, women tend to be aware of this, if only subliminally. Some females might have periods in their life when they get "slap-happy", primarily when socialising, maybe when attention seeking, usually when drunk (guilty!). When they stop this behaviour, it's usually because they're ashamed, embarrassed or have belatedly realised they're disgusting dogs who can't hold their drink. Whatever the reason, it's unlikely to have anything to do with men being frightened of them. On the contrary, it's wired into the female DNA that in the main they're under threat rather than the threat.

If anything, most women would take it completely for granted that men are not remotely frightened of them. And that's because male physical fear of women is not the norm – there's no dominant culture of hostile matriarchy, where men need to be hyper-vigilant of female violence, or versed in ways to combat it.

There are no self-defence classes taught to men in how to deal with female attacks, sexual or otherwise. As for domestic violence statistics, while there are male victims, who should not be discounted, there isn't the infamous average of two men a week being killed by their partners, as remains the case with women.

None of this has anything to do with Solange and Jay-Z in the Met ball lift, but that's the point. Context becomes important when people start pondering simplistically: "Well, what if it had been a man attacking a woman?" and absurdly leave it at that. In truth, you'd have to take into account obvious physical differences between the sexes generally, and the individuals in particular, not to mention the surrounding culture of patriarchy/entitlement and violence against and subjugation of women.

This is why Solange's attack wasn't disturbing or meaningful in the same way that it would have been if she'd been attacked by a male. Ideally, no one should be attacking someone else. However, the fact that women have always had far more reason to be physically afraid of male violence, rather than vice versa, is hardly news. While female violence gets a disproportionate amount of attention, it's male violence that remains dominant.
http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...nce-fight-assault-domestic-violence-men-women

If you've read that to mean "Barbara Ellen argues for female-on-male violence", then I suggest you visit your doctor and ask him to prescribe a sedative, because the article says nothing of the kind.
 
You learn something everyday.I thought Barbra Allen (or Ellen) was the title of a popular traditional folk song.
 
If you've read that to mean "Barbara Ellen argues for female-on-male violence", then I suggest you visit your doctor and ask him to prescribe a sedative, because the article says nothing of the kind.

She states clearly that she thinks it ok for women to get drunk and slap men, that just sort phase some women go through, that she has done it herself.
 
When a man attacks a woman in public people defend her but when the tables are turned, people simply laugh.



That’s the disturbing finding of a public experiment conducted in a London park filmed for an advertisement about domestic violence against men.

The video, created by DareLondon for the Mankind Initiative, shows how shocked and angry onlookers quickly intervene when the male actor fakes a violent assault on his ‘girlfriend’ – also an actor.

But when they change roles the public’s reaction – caught on three hidden cameras – is entirely different.

Onlookers can be seen laughing as the woman physically abuses and belittles her partner in full view of dozens of people.

The video has been viewed over a million times on YouTube and is generating discussion on Twitter with the hashtag #ViolenceIsViolence.

While the majority of family violence victims in Australia are women, domestic abuse against men is more common than often thought.

Australian Bureau of Statistics figures from December show 33.3 percent of people abused by their current partner are men.

Greg Andresen, senior researcher with male domestic abuse support group One-In-Three, said the video highlights two assumptions male abuse victims face: that they are probably at fault and that they should "man up" and take it.

"Even when the tables are turned people assume that he's the abuser and she's probably just getting her own back," Andresen told ninemsn. "It's a sort of 'you go girl' attitude."

He also believes people do not rush to help the man because men are "big and tough" and are never going to be seriously hurt.

"The evidence shows that when men are in an abusive relationship women are more likely to compensate by using weapons such as knives, guns or pouring boiling water over their partners," he said.

"Violence happens to men too and people should never think of violence as a joke."


Read more at http://news.ninemsn.com.au/health/2...ugh-when-woman-abuses-man#CX6JCJVIPXuCY9bm.99
 
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